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What I DON’T understand is how all this would help him or the town once he becomes the zombie darkone.
[adrotate group="5"]Gold said this about himself
“I an not one for loose ends”
Or something.
Leaving Henry in the real world where he could find the author, the book, and had the key on him is a whole trail of loose ends.
Isn’t it obvious? Gold played them all. He played the author, he played Regina and he played Zelena. He wanted Henry to find them and change it back and end the author’s job without having to kill the author.
I actually agree with you — Rumple’s search for power has been consistently presented as a symptom of his villainy. I just want to point out that on OUAT characters who consciously seek power (presumably beyond their station) tend to be cast as evil. This isn’t just Rumple — this is also Cora, Zelena, Regina, Isaac, Nimue etc By contrast, characters who accidentally fall into or are born into power (Emma, Snow, Charming, Merlin) are not considered morally suspect. This is a classic fairytale trope, but one that OUAT reproduces non-reflexively. The lack of reflexivity occasionally backfires when OUAT’s medieval universe encounters modern day sensibilities. So the idea that a desire for upward mobility always = overreaching and a sign of evil is kind of problematic
Upward mobility? You are equating Rumpel wanting to become the most evil being of his time to upward mobility? Rumpel murders people so they are scared of him. He murders people because they get in his way. He is willing to harm his son and his wife, seriously harm, to keep his power. He now, in full knowledge of what being the evil dark one does to him, still wants the power. I just don’t agree with what you are saying here. I think equating upward mobility to evil can be a problem, i just don’t think that is what is going on on Ouat.
Yes it is certainly appropriate to compare Rumple to upward mobility. In fact, him saving Cora and teaching her magic is in a way *spreading* his ideas about upward mobility.
Claims of “Rumple killing people so they are afraid of him” or because they “get in his way” are debatable. Claims of him causing harm to his son are rediculous and the exact opposite is cannon.
According to Regina, (season 2 talking to Henry) this land is the fairest of them all. This says something big about how unfair the feudal system is in the EF and in other lands
The idea the a peasant can not move up unless he stumbles into something evil is just sad.
Rumple was a peasant, but not JUST a peasant. He was at his lowest point where there was no hope of saving the only human in the world who loved him. This is not just peasantry, this is active oppression. He didn’t care about his own fate, he was scared for his child. A child that he could do NOTHING at all to save. Even if he gets on his knees and kisses the oppressor’s boot he can only get an extra day with his son. Before they take Bae from him and kill the boy.
Its one thing to feel helpless to save oneself, its a WHOLE NOTHER thing to be helpless to save one’s child.So when a peasant is oppressed and made to feel SO helpless, upward mobility is a blessing. So said peasant found a magical solution, and this solution happened to be something that attacks the soul and brings darkness to the host.
The host, however, fought this darkness as much as he could. Not always being successful, but the hat came out of the box not because of Anna’s tears. The tears were just because Rumple never believed in himself that he actually ever turned away from darkness, but he did.
Best episode… hard to choose, but I will go with storyline.
I loved the finding (nemo) Bae in manhattan storyline and Cora’s absolutely genius storyline from being the miller’s daughter to the queen of hearts it was fabulous.I think season 2 was the most FUN season on ouat, it was this season that pulled me hopelessly into ouat. Season 1 was a bit boring and i missed some episodes without caring. But seaso 2??? Omg! !! I watched every episode 5 times and was obsessed. (I still love watching season 2 on Netflix)
I really loved that Neal was the son AND the father and was absolutely shocked about it! Unlike the rest of you guys, i did NOT look for spoilers (i didnt care enough during season 1, and season 2 was like harry potter for me, where the story was holy and i wanted NO SPOLIERS.)
So the reveal was delicious and fun. I loved every second of it and squealed like a squirelWhen Hook put that Hook on his hand and answered “neverland” to smee’s where are we going, i was SO EXCITED! I couldn’t wait to see him in Neverland and be all shady and -really- this amazing actor put me at the edge of my seat every time he was on screen, because I never knew who he would betray THIS time or which side he is on. I LOVED being afraid of him, it was such a rush. When Rumple asked if he was done trying to kill him, and Hook said he was I was, like, suuuure! And I was so excited to see how it would play out in neverland, how he would betray EVERYONE one at a time, for a chance to get (his hands) his hook on Rumple.
Alas, season 3 killed him. He became SO BORING that i just looked at him as a pesky fly and waited for his character to ship off to forgotten island.This show is alot about belief. More so than hope, even.
Regina finallly believed that she deservs happiness, she realized that she actually HAD it and didn’t need the author, for example
I think this is the satire they are trying to convey. They are making fun of the EF veiw of villains vs heros, good vs evil, etc. They are trying to show that the ONLY difference between “good” and “evil” is what one believes about himself. Since Snow loves herself and is SURE that she is a good person, she overcame any guilt feelings for any questionable acts she committed. Snow is objectively NOT white but because she BELIEVES that she is, her self confidence radiates from her and causes others around her to believe as well
What?? It was @nevermore not some anonymous!
Fun fact about firebirds and Russian mythology — there’s a connection between several versions of the fairytale with Koschei the Deathless which is a sort of a wizardly/immortal male figure who, to quote Wikipedia, “is an archetypal male antagonist, described mainly as abducting the hero’s wife.” Also, notoriously hard to kill. Anyway, I’m overthinking this.
Wow! This excites me. I know someone on this show who “stole” two heros’ wives 🙂
POM your post is really good! I agree that Emma as the kickass character would never realistically pair up with a guy like hook. Show WOULD pair up nicely with a guy like Rumple, or rather Neal, who is alot LIKE Gold in all the important ways.
And, yes, Rumple is alot like a woman in many ways – a very anti-traditional “man” he is submissive to Belle while Belle is tougher and doesnt forgive as easily as he does.
