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RUMPLE
can we get a close-up of that dagger? does it have any name on it? could it be Gold/Rumpel is still dead, but he is walking around only because he’s the DarkOne? why would Eddy say that Rumpel/Gold is definitely dead, but he’s the Dark One? what does that mean? does it mean HE was undone, but the curse was not? is this why Belle looks sad to see him? can’t the poor imp rest in peace even after death?
I’m driving myself crazy
[adrotate group="5"]maybe that flicker of light *looking at RG* is now a bigger light because the dark one is now a blinding light, not just a flicker…
ok am I making any sense?
quiet minds title just sounds very quiet. almost like we get to see a lot of spinning and planning going on
you know, I think we got a hint about the type of person rumple was even while everyone thought he was the villain: he called himself, not his father a villain, he kissed his father even after he was told how much he hated him, he didn’t believe that. I have a feeling we are dealing with a very very special kind of person here
this whole thing is full of paradoxes when it comes to Gold’s storyline
wow kfc, I am impressed with your post (as always) I need to read it agin to figure out what I want to reply to. one thing jumped at me though:
you wrote that neal doesn’t think emma should apologize to him ever foe anything, and it got me thinking:Emma and Neal relationship is VERY similar to Rumpel and Bae relationship. I can think of a few things Bae can apologize for, but Rumpel doesn’t think Bae has to apologize for anything ever. I can think of a few things Emma could apologize for but Neal doesn’t think she needs to.
Rumpel abandoned Bae and can never forgive himself, and doesn’t expect Bae to ever forgive him. Neal abandoned Emma and he never forgave himself and doesn’t expect Emma to ever forgive him
I think that before Neal can ever be happy with Emma he needs to resolve ALL THOSE ISSUES with his father first. which is why it’s so annoying that Gold is dead
besides, saying that Hook should do something for Bae in order to be redeemed – he’s already done ALOT for Bae – saved him in echo cave, and revealed his darkest secret which made him vulnerable in front of the others to save his rival, basically.
but it still doesn’t redeem him because he has to face up to his mistakes of the past. no one ever talks about him giving bae to the lost boys, or challenging a cripple to a duel, or running away with a mother of a child without ever coming back to visit that poor child…
he needs to do MORE for his redemption to be complete, and dying to save Baelfire so that Emma can have a happy ending is just not heroic enough.
He must admit he was wrong all those years ago. he must call himself a villain. Regina did it, Rumpel did it, that’s why their sacrifice is believable.
you know what would be so interesting? what if he saw Milah long before Rumpel was called to the ogre wars, and he couldn’t have her because she was happily married,
Pan saw that cause of the peeping tom that he is, and made a deal with Hook to procure a seer from one of the lands he traveled to on his ship and use her to brand Rumpel the village coward. Hook would be like, “why ruin someone’s life?” and Pan would be like “what do you care? you could get Milah after she won’t want him anymore because he’d be the coward”
it would be a sot of parallel to Emma in neverland.
I LIKE Hook the villain.
I really don’t believe that. Saving Bae’s life would be a huge act of heroism as well. I don’t think Hook owes Rumple anything because their history is fraught with “who hurt each other worse.” Yes Milah ran off with Hook, but Rumple *killed* her and while I understand WHY he did it, it doesn’t make it ok that he committed murder.
Hook can be a hero once he figures out what is supposed to motivate a hero–selflessness.
I DO believe that. Regina saved Snow ‘s life countless times by now. and EVERYTHING Regina did up until her redemption was to seek revenge on Snow so Regina is fully redeemed.
so yes, I still believe that admitting that he and Milah were the cowards, and that Rumpelstiltskin was the honorable one who sacrificed everything for his little boy all those years ago would be a good first step to redemption, and full redemption would have to involve saving his life, which can’t really happen anymore.
which is why he should remain the bad guy
I just really don’t like the idea of moving a character who was written into the show to represent the crocodile from the original Peter Pan who kept following hook (it was very clever to make HOOK be the one following the crocodile) this two dimensional character to suddenly become heroic?
I’d much rather see him married to Emma. Let him marry Emma and stay a badassthe ONLY way he could possibly be redeemed is to save Rumpel’s life, which he can’t anymore because Rumpel is dead
Please stop saying that Hook should be a hero. He shouldn’t. He isn’t one. He hasn’t been one for centuries.
The same could be said for Rumple, but then he went and did something heroic by sacrificing himself to protect everyone else. No one (except Pan) has been more diabolical than Rumple, but he was still able to have a heroic, redemptive moment, so IMO there’s no reason that Hook shouldn’t have a chance at that as well. It doesn’t excuse their past actions, it proves that they’ve changed enough to be able to accept responsibility for them.
oh no no no that is COMPLETELY not true. in fact, if you put all villains next to each other and compare you will see that while everyone became a villain because of revenge or bitterness over being helpless, you will see how Rumpel is GOLD compared to all the other villains (pun intended)
he is the only villain who did everything he did because he loved someone. NOT because he saught revenge. his life long purpouse was not revenge, but making sure that the person he lovedwould have a chance at happiness and that he would know that he’s sorry for abandoning him for making the wrong split-second choice that cost him centuries of pain and hard work
Please stop saying that Hook should be a hero. He shouldn’t. He isn’t one. He hasn’t been one for centuries.
I was so hoping to find out that the deals he made with pan involved alot of ruining Gold’s life, killi.g lost boys who weren’t obedient enough (rufio) and just being a badass. I’d hate to see a man who’s entire purpouse in life was revenge suddenly become heroic.
It undermines everything…
I mean look at Regina she only spent a few years seeking revenge and look where it got her. She was redeemed because of her love for Henry, but Hook was never redeemed because his love for Bae. Or because of his love for Emma. Because neither Bae nor Emma cared very much that he was looking to kill Rumpelstiltskin. On the other hand Henry cared very much about Regina not killing Snow. So She had an oppertunity to become redeemed.
Hook was never challanged not to kill Gold untill Gold himself asked him ‘are you done trying to kill me?” And he said yes. Till then it was a constant croc from the original PP story. Remember that crocodile? The one that followed hook everywhere because he liked the taste of his hand so much and wanted to eat more of Hook?
Also, Bobby is in 312….,he definitely filmed something for that
It’s amazing how Adam/Eddy have managed to squelch any enthusiasm I had for the show.
Gold is dead. He’s dead. I don’t understand the Persephone/Hades comparison because that hardly has a happy ending; she’s stuck with him for half the year and then she gets to go back to Earth. Is the implication that Belle could strike a deal where she could visit Gold in the Underworld (Hell?) for 6 months a year? Ouch, what a brutal storyline
*hugs Betsypaige*
*sobs*
