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I watched the whole season 4, by the way. And now I can say with full awareness that when you realize how shady Hook is and that you hate him like i do, it is much more clear that Gold is still the only true hero here.
What was Golds worst sin in season 4? That he lied about the dagger. Oh and that he was about to kill Hook, which, when you consider hook the big bad of the show, does not make Gold a bad guy for doing that.
[adrotate group="5"]So i just watched season 5 promo and realized that when the voice over tells Emma to “step into the light” she is about to enter the room with the hat where Gold wanted her to give up her magic.
I knew this was significant
And i knew that she made the wrong choice when she listened to Elsa
He told her “you make the right choice. Always”
But she didnt because she was lured by darkness.
Because she suffered loss. Neal. It traumatised her, i think, especially because she is partially responsible for his death. She and Gold, both. They feel responsible, and Gold believed that this responsibility did NOT currupt the savior but it did.
If Rumple is thrown under the bus and killed off because “he’s a villain”, the show is dead to me. If it continues beyond that point it’s a zombie.
This show would have been so much better if Rumple would have stayed dead since 3A. In a way i am hoping that Rumple does die in the end and Neal would live. This, more than anything else is Rumple’s happiest ending. If a character could talk, i would tell you to ASK him. What was your happy ending? He would say: saving Bae and Belle and giving my life.
Yep. I think Bae-gel is actually a pretty cute pet name.
though zumpie started calling him “deadfire” because of this. she is really easy to sway. she hates me. she calls me leg spready for some reason lol and she blocked me bacause I support swanfire and I got on her nerves.
Whatever Rumple says about himself is NOT who he truely is.
He keeps saying that he always chooses power when in canon he always chooses love
I think he sort of speaks in code “power over love” really means “family/love over sex/personal gratification”
He keeps calling himself a coward yet he keeps doing the brave thing. He didn’t desert the war; he played by the rules and broke his own ankle which is much harder than dying. A coward would have been to scared to take action, and either run or died.
A quote from that:
“Notice in the Fairytale land jail scene where he is bargaining with the Queen. He says “In this new land, I want comfort. I want a good life.” He did not say riches. The queen said riches. I think in a way, Rumple just wants himself, and others, to live in peace.”Wrong link
Anyway, VERY interesting read about how “no good deed goes unpunished” and a bit about Rumple’s characterhttp://violetfaust.tumblr.com/post/131414412926/no-good-deed-goes-unpunished
and by the way, breaking his own leg was truely brave! how many of us would do this to ourselves? it goes against every fiber of our beings (us, being Human beings)
you know what else he could have done? RUN he could have abandoned ship and run home, then taken his family and run fom the village. but he played by the rules.
has anyone seen “True Blood”? did you see that horrible scene where this guy tells MRJ’s character to bite off his own finger and he JUST CAN’T DO IT? you know why he can’t? because it is not natural for a person to harm himself. believe it or not, it is actually EASIER TO DIE than to injure oneself. and the easier choice is what real cowards take.
Disagree. This seems like unfair blame on the writers. Saying that they needed to make Rumple worse just so they could make Hook palatable, seems like you are just picking on the Hook character. I don’t think these two are mutually exclusive. Not everything revolves around CS.
I actually agree with POM. It seemed like that was what 4A was about making Rump the bad guy and making Hook the good guy.
Hook: “I’ve changed. You haven’t” 20 minutes later *stabs Rump in the heart and assaults Will, while under the impression his hand is cursed*
I don’t think the writers have been doing much to show us Hook has changed ways at all, but are primarily telling us that he changed. The Dark One arc, the cursed hand thing, his actions back in the EF, I mean, I don’t see much that says Hook is really a changed man outside of Emma’s field of view. Take her out of the equation and Hook goes back to being Hook.
It seems i’m in the minority here, but while I do agree that power and immortality are a hard thing to let go of, I disagree that it was always a a part of Rump’s character to be power hungry for the sake of it.
I don’t think Rump initially took on the Dark One role because he wanted personal power. I don’t think Rump ever had that drive in him for a lust for power UNTIL he became the dark one. His motivations were only for his son. And if Bae was not in danger of being enlisted to the ogre wars, I don’t think he’d have chosen to become the dark one. And about Rump being a coward, if the Seer had never told Rump he had a son on the way, would he have abandoned the war just out of fear? Is it because Rumpel is a coward that he chose to break his own leg or r is it because he doesn’t want his son to grow up fatherless like he did? Or did he just want the power that he never had?
I don’t know where I was going with this anymore…. Lost my train of thoughts.
oh you are certainly NOT the minority. however, people will see what they choose to see. they believe what they choose to believe. I look at facial expressions and body language as well as listen to the words.
for example: remember the scene in “Miller’s Daughter” when Rumple was teaching Cora magic and at the same time we saw him teach Emma magic? he said “think angry” to Cora and “protect” to Emma why? because at the core, Cora wanted magic for revenge while Emma wanted it to protect her family. OK we all knew that. …but… look at the WAY Rumple teaches both of them! to Cora he tells a story (maybe it was a real story) but he shows no emotion. he is almost bored, or he is just doing an unpleasant job. then look at the way he teaches Emma. he is so emotional he can hardly contain himself. He is weak and dying and yet he sits up using the last of his strength to impel the lesson! he wants Emma to FEEL! because THIS is what he feels.
