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MatthewPaul
ModeratorHas to be Cora appearing in the Underworld in present day, not a flashback. The writers also won’t be able to resist having Cora and Zelena interact for the first time, aside from when she was an infant.
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ModeratorOr, how about this: Nimue actually does die, and Merlin goes to the underworld and brings her back. But the consequence (price / side effect) is that some darkness from the underworld comes along for the ride when he brings her back. It wouldn’t have been released on the world if he hadn’t gone to save her. So he gets her back, but she is infected with this darkness and becomes the first dark one!
It would perfectly parallel how most of us think the darkness will be banished this season.

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I do suspect that there has always been a link between the Dark One and the Underworld. For whatever reason, Emma not charging a price to heal Robin’s fatal wounds triggered the Fury to go after him. Of course all magic comes with a price, but what if the Dark One’s magic comes at an even steeper price as a result of originating from the Underworld?
MatthewPaul
ModeratorNew guess for the title. If they want to stick with the theme of the Spring Premiere being the name of a Bruce Springsteen song like the previous two Seasons, I could see “Badlands” being the title. Badlands by definition refers to “extensive tracts of heavily eroded, uncultivable land with little vegetation.” A typical view of the Underworld/Hell could probably be compared to that, except it’s underground. These are the lyrics, and I’ll bold any lyrics that could potentially tie-in nicely to OUAT:
Lights out tonight,
Trouble in the heartland,
Got a head on collision,
Smashin’ in my guts, man,
I’m caught in a cross fire,
That I don’t understand,
But there’s one thing I know for sure, girl,
I don’t give a damn
For the same old played out scenes,
Baby, I don’t give a damn
For just the in-betweens,
Honey, I want the heart, I want the soul,
I want control right now,
You better listen to me, babyTalk about a dream,
Try to make it real
You wake up in the night,
With a fear so real,
You spend your life waiting,
For a moment that just don’t come,
Well, don’t waste your time waiting,Badlands, you gotta live it everyday,
Let the broken hearts stand
As the price you’ve gotta pay,
We’ll keep pushin’ ’til it’s understood,
And these badlands start treating us good.Workin’ in the fields
’til you get your back burned,
Workin’ ‘neath the wheels
’til you get your facts learned,
Baby, I got my facts
Learned real good right now,
You better get it straight, darlin’
Poor man wanna be rich,
Rich man wanna be king,
And a king ain’t satisfied,
’til he rules everything,
I wanna go out tonight,
I wanna find out what I gotWell, I believe in the love that you gave me,
I believe in the faith that can save me,
I believe in the hope and I pray,
That someday it may raise me
Above these badlandsBadlands, you gotta live it everyday,
Let the broken hearts stand
As the price you’ve gotta pay,
We’ll keep pushin’ ’til it’s understood,
And these badlands start treating us good.For the ones who had a notion, a notion deep inside,
That it ain’t no sin to be glad you’re alive
I wanna find one face that ain’t looking through me
I wanna find one place,
I wanna spit in the face of these…Badlands, you gotta live it everyday,
Let the broken hearts stand
As the price you’ve gotta pay,
We’ll keep movin’ ’til it’s understood,
And these badlands start treating us good.Whoa whoa whoa whoa badlands!
Whoa whoa whoa whoa badlands!
Whoa whoa whoa whoa badlands!
Whoa whoa whoaIt’s the chorus in particular that I find intriguing. We have two previous episode titles from this Season right there with “Broken Heart” and “The Price.” “The Price” in particular ties in nicely, because of what we saw with the Fury and Charon back in that episode attempting to collect Regina’s price.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorI *think* I like that idea. It fits with some of the Greek mythology (okay, and others, but Greek is my game) that there was a specific catalyst for how darkness entered the world. There was an actual event that explains why life sucks, people suck, everything sucks and why everything continues to suck. Usually it’s because humans do a thing (Pandora, Eve).
They’ve had Pandora’s box in S3A.
And let’s not forget that Blue said that the Dark One’s powers are not from their world way back in “The Return.”
MatthewPaul
ModeratorI gathered the same, but it’s more like what ritual are they performing. *searches Greek myth memory…* I mean…Odysseus had to offer up a ram and an ewe to get into the underworld…..so maybe that works this way in OUAT
I was also thinking of when Dumbledore payed with his blood to get into the cave in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorWhy is Rumple cutting himself?
I take it some sort of blood ritual is happening.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorHercules and Hunchback of Notre Dame should also be on the list but that might be too religious for Once’s tastes.
Except it looks like Hades is coming in 5B, and we’ve already had Poseidon as a Greek deity before. If Hades is around, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hercules makes some sort of appearance too.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorIt definitely looks like a ring Emma is wearing as a necklace #OnceUponATime #OUAT pic.twitter.com/vGOUkBi9Px
— Larry Andreutti (@BastardSonVan) October 26, 2015
On the #OnceUponATime set last Friday, Gold cuts himself with the dagger (whatever they're doing needs blood) #OUAT pic.twitter.com/chEuGiPWl5
— Larry Andreutti (@BastardSonVan) October 26, 2015
Once Upon a Time filming mid-season finale 3/4 #yvrshoots #OUAT Including Henry and the Dark One (Emma) pic.twitter.com/6kXwAfYFC5
— AngelWings&Crossroad (@AW_Crossroads) October 26, 2015
Once Upon a Time filming mid-season finale 2/4 #YVRshoots #OUAT Including Robin Hood, Gold and Henry arriving to set pic.twitter.com/k34LBF8jTm
— AngelWings&Crossroad (@AW_Crossroads) October 26, 2015
Once Upon a Time filming mid-season finale 4/4 #yvrshoots #OUAT Including Mary Margret pic.twitter.com/JoX9yZVbBf
— AngelWings&Crossroad (@AW_Crossroads) October 26, 2015
MatthewPaul
ModeratorWell yeah. Belle’s not gonna die. But the promo is going to make it look like she will
(yes, Matt, I remember the promo for 315, all my rationalizing and the outcome)
Well in Belle’s case, it helps that we know from filming reports that she’s still around. Most recently she was spotted filming Storybrooke scenes in 510.
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