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Emma’s visions are only the “possible” future. She is seeing the outcome of what will happen if she uses the shears and severs herself from her “Savior Emma side”
This is a parallel to Regina/Evil Queen. What happens is that by severing themselves, they dont get rid of any sides, they only bring their inner fights to the outside world.
What Emma sees in her visions are Dark Emma killing Savior Emma (like we have sort of already theorised) It was said in the episode, that the Savior always dies… Hmmm so maybe thats what always will happen if you use the shears.
This is therefor allso what happened to Aladin. The dead corpse in the crypt (which also had the scarab) was dead “Savior Aladin” and the Aladin who is still walking around, is Dark/bad/some-type-of-evil Aladin.
[adrotate group="5"]Im just catching up on older stuff so just saw the scene of Evil Queen taking the Dragons heart (last episode season 5) have you guys any theories about what she did with his heart? Do you think she needs to control him for later maybe?
I didn’t think she currently had a heart (as Regina was shown crushing it) but maybe she does? It wouldn’t so much be about wanting to love, more about wanting to be the “real” one. Although thinking about it, maybe Regina putting her heart into the EQ would have some sort of balancing effect?
Ups ! forgot about that. Well its an interesting idea. Hehe! Regina puts her own heart in EQ and she learns to love and EQ and Regina are essentially siamese twins sharing a heart…. but thinking about it, that would be kind of boring. EQ stealing Reginas heart to be the real one…. well I guess that could also happen.. But I still think that Regina dying and whatever leads up to that. Then her coming back to life, somehow now reintergrated with EQ, is whats gonna happen.
Do we think that the EQ could rip out Regina’s heart and/or use it in her own body?
What would she do with her own heart then? Put it in Regina? Why would she do that… Do you think she wants to feel love for others?
I like sierraleone’s thoughts about what is actually the original of a person… and EQ’s evilness is, as you also mention, something that grew from nurture. Young Regina, she was not like that. There is also the shows whole big thing about how “evil isn’t born its made”.. So what is an original persona? The core. Is it the animalistic sides,, acting more on instinct or passion wich are not colored by conformity to society? Or is it the more humane sides to us, like, I think most people would view their core being/original self,, as some of their more kind and loving sides. In that case, I think the idea of the Original you can mean something else entirely.
But in this case, the word “original” is just used to say that Regina, in all that she is in present day Storybrook, is The One the EQ derived from. Regina took the EQ part out of herself, in that case, that makes her the origin of that EQ we now see roaming around Storybrook.
But we are looking at this whole thing in two different ways- 1. way: What I hear you saying is this–The split would have made Two equal versions of Regina. And if it were so, they would be totally split and ones death would have no consequences for the other. Evil Queen would be able to get killed individually, as would Regina. However.. On the version we see on the show, which is the 2. way of looking at it: They are NOT totally split and EQ is still “attached” somehow to Regina, who she derived from. That’s why I say EQ is like a mirror image and in that way not equally as full a person as Regina is. I can see why you have a problem with it, if you stick to the first way of looking at it. But in accepting that the way they are seeing it and telling the story is equally valid, then I can accept that Regina is the “original” and EQ the copy. This notion is not invalid, its not a fallacy, its only different from the version you are presenting.
On the shows version, we now know that the copy cannot be killed individually. That’s why it’s the copy and there is such a thing as what we can then call the original. Which is the Regina that EQ derived from.
Both ways to tell the story can be used, there is no reason why they should not be able to tell it this way. Like I said I don’t see how their version is not valid.
May I just say, I love this conversation, its very interesting.. This is why I love this Forum 😀
But would the first version of telling the story have been more interesting or more true to reality? It’s a possibility, but I don’t know… and we haven’t seen the shows version to the end yet. The version they use on the show I think is interesting because: Well first of all, it’s a brilliant way to bring back EVIL QUEEN in full force and possibly even more deranged then ever before.. and I have missed her so.. the more scenes with her the better and it doesnt destroy Reginas process in any way. And Lana P. gets to act opposite “herself” that’s cool, really great for her. These are the first good things -check! Also I think it is still going to end with Regina reintegrating with her Evil Queen side in some way, thereby telling us what we all obviously know to be true- you cant throw away your past or any wrong doings you’ve done, so accept your inner evil demons- philosophical lesson learned -Check ! In the process of telling us this story, we might see the Charmings, Regina, Emma and Henry-family grow closer together- meaning lots of cute aaaww!… moments- check! One Last good thing in my mind would be the idea that Evil Queen is just a ‘bit’ of the whole person that Regina is, she took that bit out, with the potion, but that bit will only grow back, as Regina said in the clip when talking to Emma. But Evil Queen is still nothing but a story, a mirror image of Regina. She is Reginas past and she doesn’t need to be her future, it depends what story Regina tells the woman in the mirror. So Regina- Ask the woman in the mirror to change her ways… lol.. see what I did there! Whoop Whoop ;D
sierraleone- A blurring of who is the good and who is the bad. That I would also like.. it would be cool as always to see Lana P. portray vulnerability in the Evil Queen and the opposite in Regina and to see if they could present that differently or with new nuances from previously.
Uhh! Evil Queen in lizard outfit… Has she skinned the crocodile ? or is she like a viper from Arabia ?
The issue is whether or not there’s such a thing as an original you. Let’s take another character as an example: Hook…..
Is he the same Killian Jones we met in s2 “Crocodile” before he ever lost his hand? No. Is it the same DNA and physically the same person, yes, but that’s not what makes a person, as least it’s not the grand total of personhood. So therefore the idea that to kill newly split Hook you must kill his original which would be newly split Killian doesn’t hold any water …..
There is no “original” you that stays original throughout your lifetime. That’s not how identity works. You are an ever evolving, ever changing being and your experiences add to you identity not wholly replace.
Yep I get you, but to me that is stil holding it up to some kind of ‘real’ standard. They dont have to.
So they have said- Okay, Say you could split a person, and say it would be like if you took a copy of a text but only of some of the lines the rest of the page would remain blank… the text you took the copy of would be the original, at the time that you took the copy. If you had an older version of the same text, but the new text had some lines added,, a copy of the older text would be a different copy…
-And then they have desided that the copy is still attached to the original and will be destroyed with it… I mean, they can deside that, that is how it works. I dont see why not.. since they dont have to stay true to reality where we cant make such copies of ourselves… yet 😉
But you are right the problem with it is Why though, Why does the copy get destroyed along with the original ?. They dont give us that answer yet and if we know them well enough, Id say we will never get an answer to that question. That still doesnt kill the notion for me though, because I think if they really wanted too, they could come up with an answer…. like for example, we could say the Evil Queen copy is only a reflexion, just like a reflexion from a mirror. As long as you stand infront of the mirror the reflexion will always be there, you cant get rid of it.. but if you step away from the mirror, the reflexion is also gone… or something like that.
You can always argue that you dont like where that will take the story out of a personal preference. But I feel opposite, I like it because this makes the problem a lot harder to solve, now that they cant just either get rid of Evil Queen and they cant just reintergrate her into Regina with a potion or what not. So thats kind of exiting I think.
Well Im sure they will find a way to bring Regina back from dead.. I mean its Lana…they cant get rid of her that would mean the end of the show.
So they will ressurect her 🙂 I like it, but it would have had a better impact if they hadnt already used the dying and coming back again so many times on the show.
I think it does make sense to me that “the original person” has to die in order for the “split side” of the person to be destroyed. I mean its just a concept made for this fairytale.. We all know its not a possibility in real life.
Okay first- Way too little interaction between the Evil Queen and Hyde I wanted atleast 2-3 more scenes of them plotting and being evil together. I had hoped they didnt killl him this early, so that we could have seen them together a lot more.. Im thinking the actor had other commitments,, any other explanation makes no sense.
My favorite scene was ‘Ofcourse’ the first with EQ, Hyde and Rumple. At first I was confused, like,, wait we saw this last ep.. until I remembered it was the sneak peak/spoiler so that didnt give me that much new. But the scene is good enough to be seen many times with the same amount of joy. Hydes voice- yum!! The laughs of Hyde- LOLZ… When Evil Queen says to Rumple “do you want to spent the rest of your days choking him” the look she gives right after, she seems to be like -Go ahead, I wouldnt mind. Im entertained.. LOLZ !
Dislike. Rumple is of his game or rather Carlyle might be tired of the show. He doesn’t act his pants of any longer.
