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Schmacky-
And the answer can’t be both. You can’t blame someone else for a choice you make. It might have had influence, but it’s not the reason.
Yes other peoples actions influence your own actions- That is the only thing I’ve been trying to state 😀
So, you feel that Regina went back to scheming because the Charmings handled the situation wrong?
Or do you feel she went back to Cora because it was her choice to do so?It was her choice, but regarding above statement, influenced by the actions of people around her.
That is seriously the last thing I have to say about this topic 😆 atleast for tonight 😉
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We seem to just be throwing the same arguments back and forth repetedly and not really getting anywhere.
Agree to disagree ?I also think I remember having just about the same exact conversation a while back with you Schmacky.
It’s been fun though 🙂@Schmacky wrote:
I don’t even know what wrong way you’re talking about. Is this about Henry going to NYC with Emma? Like Snow said, they couldn’t find Regina. Is this about Snow’s comment about not needing to run things by Regina? It was solely her opinion which she said in the nicest way possible, but it’s something I don’t think even Emma will agree with.
Regina is the one going about things the wrong way. Her actions are her actions. It will not be Emma’s or Snow’s or David’s fault if Regina goes on a rampage and doesn’t change for the better. It will never be their fault. It will never be their responsibility to change her. Ever. Even if it’s what they want. It is not their responsibility. It is Regina’s and solely Regina’s responsibility. Once she actually puts forth effort, then perhaps I can see Emma (and maaaaaybe Snow) supporting her. But not until they actually see effort on her part.
What I wrote previously- By keeping Henry from Regina + By saying “We know who you are and who you will always be” interpreded as- You are the Evil Queen, and that’s that, too bad. You won’t ever change.
I agree it will never be their fault. But as human beings we have a responsibility for eatchother. We don’t just put criminals in prisons and leave them there to rot- Thankfully… We still try to reach them. And since I feel like Snow and certainly Emma still is able to see something good in Regina and ‘occasionally’ want her to and believe she can change… Then they should not take her son and only motivation, and at the moment only chance to change, away from her- That is going about it the wrong way.
But I understand why they thought they had to do that, in the moment where they thought Regina had killed Archie- But that doesn’t change the fact that it was the wrong thing to do. If they hadn’t done it, Regina wouldn’t be of behind the curtain scheeming with Cora now.I believe Regina is a responsible parent when it comes to her son. She loves him and took care of him for 11 years. I understand why Emma and the Charmings are afraid for him to go live with her permanently, but I don’t think it is justified to keep them from eatchother completely, with no contact at all- But that said, I don’t think that is what they are perposely and knowingly doing right now. It’s just that curcomstances has made it that way right now.
Schmacky-
No, they don’t have a responsibility to help Regina change. The victims do not have a responsibility to help reform their attackers. No.
People always have a responsibility for their own actions. And Emma, Snow and Charmings (+more) actions towards Regina will have an effect on her ‘redemption’. So if they WANT her to change for the better (and the want is important here) I say, that they are going about it the wrong way… But if they don’t want her to change , if they just don’t care. Then I say, they should carry on the way they’re going now.
The thing I’m trying to say here is.
There must be belief and motivation in order for any change to happen. You take away the motivation, you kill the belief and there is only gonna be stagnation or worse and probably in this case a ‘falling of the waterwagon’ situation and reverting backwards.And eventhough as you say it is Reginas responsibility to make the changes. Everybody else around her also plays a part in it- no man or woman is an island. If they want her to change for the better and not be The Evil Queen they need to understand what their own actions will do in that regard.
Sure it would be better and easier if there were more motivating factors but since there is not, at the moment, it is stupid to remove the one thing that could change things.
And once again It is NOT Henrys responsibility to change Regina. It is Reginas. But all the other adults around them have a responsibility and play a part, whether they like it or not. When they ‘take’ Reginas son away from her- her sole motivation- That will have an effect. And it is not by making things better, not for enyone, including Henry.Hi Oncers Anonymous. I’m medchen, 29 years, from denmark.
And I am a Once Upon a Time addict 😳 -Well Hell No! A proud one 😀
The whole thing sort of crept up on me, I thought I could controll it at the beginning, just a little episode once a week.. But then came the brilliant storylines, the wonderfull acting, the need to find more and more stories that fit OUaT. Not to mention the Once podcast forum with all those dealers on every corner- to much temptation..
But I’m NOT going to give it up.. what ever you say… you cant make me!!! 😡 👿
Anyways it’s good for you, it’s a mindexpanding experience- But if you start seeing pink elephants on the screen or Rumple apeares in the middle of the News ‘better think twice before you come back for more.
LilaMae-
It isn’t Henry’s responsibility to keep his mother on the straight and narrow. Plus, they weren’t really keeping Henry away from Regina, they have had some contact- Emma took him to NYC to take him from Cora, who is a great danger to him.
Also, since Regina is obviously planning on getting Henry back with her machinations with Cora, being away from Regina is the best thing for Henry.
I’m not saying it is his responsibility. I’m saying he is her motivation. And that it is okay for her to be motivated by him, instead of her own remorse, to try and find a better path.
Regina wouldn’t be planning and machinating things with Cora if she had not been kept from Henry in the first place.
Agree with Spinning Gold- “the road to hell is paved with good intensions”-so true!
+this
And that is why I wonder if the fairy tale creatures aren’t better off in our world. Maybe that is the true underlining message of Once upon a Time: You can’t fix your life with magic, sooner or later you will pay the price for that.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
After thinking about it a bit, I have a horrible feeling that Henry could be in trouble. He’s the one, after all, that Regina wants. I doubt he’d be killed off (family show), but he could be held hostage, as Regina intially tried to do at the start of S2. Well, something tells me Cora would stop at nothing to make a grab for power, including holding her own step-grandson hostage (maybe even against Regina’s wishes)! 😥
Henry is going to be the sacrificial lamb, but I don’t think he will die either.
In this though, they are talking about something that takes place in Manhatten, I think.. So Cora won’t be there.
