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@darcyfarrow wrote:
The more we learn of Bae, the more I wonder about his mother and her involvement in his upbringing. Especially if, as some have speculated, his mother is Cora. Any thoughts? Was this courageous, noble-spirited boy raised entirely by his father, or, if mom raised him and left him late in the game, what does that say for the mom-is-Cora theory?
Hmm. I’m still not sure who Baelfire’s mother is. I know a lot of people think it’s Cora, but I’m still not sure. But if Cora is Bae’s mother, then that says a lot about Bae. The fact that Baelfire was able to hold onto his purity and bravery despite his parents speaks volumes of the kind child he was. 😉
@Ms. Pixie wrote:
Oh God! After 24 pages of caching up the discussion, I feel like I can take part on it.
First, I really think hjbau and charming are defending the same idea: a true love’s kiss can break any curse. death is not a curse, is just death, so a kiss won’t bring anyone back alive. 😉
Second, I know a lot of people really like Rumple – I get it, he is one of, if not the, most interesting characters of the show – but I think his human side is being way too much… cherished? (my English is good, but sometimes is just so difficult to find the proper word…)
Let me explain myself: yes, he is human after all. yes, he loves his son. yes, he fell for Belle, but I don’t think it justify all the damage.
As I see it, he became the Dark One to save his son from the war, but also, because it would give him power to shut up all those who called him weak and coward. I’m not denying his love or saying it wasn’t a good purpose, but at some point he even actually says that if his son is gone HE’ll have no one else. With Belle, when they kiss, he throws her away because he genuinely thinks she’s tricking him. Some people claim that he thought he wasn’t good enough for her and that’s why he couldn’t believe in their love, but I think it’s more than that, I think, yes, he still sees himself as a coward (after all he let his son go) but is, also, just too blind by his power to not suspect everyone. (by the way, for me, this power of his is, in the end, a easy way out of this coward thing – you don’t actually have to consider what’s right, honourable and etc., you blame the Dark force and just bully around)
Sooo… I agree with someone who said his redemption, if he’s to have one, is going to be about sacrifice, not just reunion ou standing by the “good” ones. 🙂
P.S.: for me, also, both him and Regina are evil for the same reason – revenge as they blame others for their misfortunes.
Welcome! And thank you for all of your thoughts!
Personally, I don’t believe any of Rumpel’s actions are necessarily justifiable. My defense of Rumpel usually only pops up when he’s described as evil pre-Dark One. And I agree with what the Looking Glass said, we defend Rumpel because we want to see him change and turn his life around. We want to see him recognize his mistakes and try to correct them. We’re rootin for him. That’s why we tend to only look at his more human or romantic side. I want to see him become the man that Baelfire was so desperate to bring back. I loved seeing pre-Dark One Rumpel. And that is what I want to see him eventually become again.
And like other have said, the scene between him and August was very improtant. It showed that Mr. Gold KNOWS that everything he’s done was wrong. He knows that he’s done horrbile things. He knows that he’s been selfish. And this was his moment to finally repent and apologize to the person he hurt the most. His son.
The whole purpose of the show is for the characters to get their happy endings. The writers give us episodes like Skin Deep and Desperate Souls to demonstrate that Snow and Charming aren’t the only ones who are in pain. They’re not the only ones who have suffered at the hands of evil. And they’re not the only ones who deserve a happy ending. The writers continue to demonstrate to us that even villains like Regina and Rumpel were once very happy. They had lovers, they had children, they had families. And the reason why the writers are leaving the door wide open for Rumpel is because he does have the chance for happiness. Belle is still alive, Baelfire is still alive. There’s still a chance for him yet.
@jondavidcarroll wrote:
AUGUST WOULD BE TIN MAN! That would explain the whole leg thing!! And he goes to the wizard (BAE) and ask for his heart (or oil can–WHICH is on the shelf in Gold’s office) and Bae says (pretending to be big and powerful) I will grant you your wish after you fetch me the sword from Rumpel–instead of broomstick from the wicked witch of the west. C’mooon? Riiiight?
I LOVE IT!!! I actually posted a similar theory somewhere on the forums. I think it would be an amazing twist if August and Baelfire were actually working together via Oz. God, I hope the writers do this. THEY NEED TO DO THIS!!!
@rumplegoldfan wrote:
@hjbau wrote:
The criminal history is a juvy record and should not even be seen by the judge so that should not be taken into consideration at all.
Just as an FYI . . . when it comes to adoption (and that would be what would have to happen – Emma would have to adopt Henry even though she is his biological mother) there is no such thing as a juvy record not being taken into consideration. Every member of a household that an adopted child will be living in must undergo a criminal background check – including minors (over the age of 12 I believe – age may vary by state), and ALL criminal history must be disclosed. It’s been awhile since I went through all of this but I believe they even get into whether you have ever been arrested for something regardless of whether you were convicted. So if Emma is still living with MM, MM will have to undergo a criminal background check including fingerprints, etc. and she would have to disclose that she was arrested for murder.
Also as far as I can tell I don’t believe MM’s apartment meets the requirement for suitable housing for a child. There are square footage requirements which I’m guessing they would meet but I don’t think they have any actual bedrooms. A bedroom would be required for Henry, especially since MM lives there. No way is a social worker allowing a male child to sleep out in the open with a non-family member of the opposite sex present (because they wouldn’t know she really is a family member).
It’s amazing the hoops you have to jump through for adoption. We were adopting from a foreign country and they have body weight limits so that people who are overweight can’t adopt. You also have to go through physical exams and they are very picky about any kind of medical conditions and medications that are taken. If you are taking an anti-depressant, even if you have a note from a physician saying your depression is completely under control, you are out of luck – there is no way you can adopt from many foreign countries.
You also need to have at least 3 personal references from non-family members who have known you for a certain amount of time (in our state I think it was 5 years). Given Emma’s history of not putting down roots and not making friends I doubt she could come up with these.
I’m glad you mentioned that. One of my mother’s friends just recently adopted a baby boy, and she had to jump through so many hoops to meet the proper requirements. She had a perfect criminal record, made a decent amount of money and had a stable household. But the adoption agency still gave her a hard time. So, if we’re going to base Emma’s adoption case on reality, there’s no way she’d be able to get custody of Henry.
However, if Emma can prove that Regina framed MM for murder, then she could at the very least get Henry put in either foster care or MM, David or Kathryn can take care of him.
@An Empty Heart wrote:
I’m not even going to lie, one of my main reasons for wanting Baelfire to be Henry’s father is because I really love the young actor who played him. I’d love to see him again. But if Baelfire is Henry’s father, then I guess the show will eventually hire an adult actor to play him.
Dang it. Nevermind. 😆
Aww, I love him too. 😀 But yes, unfortunately an adult actor will eventually be needed to play him. Too bad, he’s one of the few child actors out there that I actually like. 🙁
@NONNIE wrote:
-It would also explain why Emma has platinum blonde hair while Henry’s hair is almost black. 😆
Because the casting director look for good actors ….. not necessarily the closest physical attributes…… THANK GOODNESS …. I have seen too many MATCHY – MATCHY actress and actors that could not act their way out of a paper bag.
N.
But they could have easily dyed it. 😆 The girl who played little Snow wore contacts in her eyes to look like MM. So, Henry’s father obviously has dark hair. 😉
@hjbau wrote:
August Wayne Booth does not stand for A Wooden Boy.
I think she’s talking about the acronym. A play on the letters. 😉
@celesstarr wrote:
Ok, did a quick recheck…I didn’t hear the blue fairy say time hole…but when Rumple is spinning his options with BF he mentions…relm jumper?, time tunnel?…curse?
So, maybe Rumple included a time tunnel formula in the dark curse.
Ah! Thanks for clearing that up for us! 😀
@Lissy wrote:
So, if Baelfire is outside of the curse, then he should remember. Hmm….
Yeah he most likely remembers because the magic bean was not supposed to affect his memory. I’m glad because I am dyeing to see Bae’s reunion with his father. Rumpel created a dark curse; hurting many lives for him, but I am betting Bae will be even more furious at the evil Rumpel caused. 😮
Also, I am now suddenly more appreciative of how Rumpel did not kill Belle…For some reason it really hit me after watching Rumpel kill the mute maid and others so easily that the odds of surviving were not in her favor!
I’m sorry, but this cracked me up! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
