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When Emma got Henry in the car my first though was actually “finally!” and only then “damn… no, you can’t!!!!” because as much as I’d like her to believe, I couldn’t help but think, through out the episodes, about what I would figure out of every proof that was sown to her – like Jefferson’s disappearance (“uow, he vanished! oh, the hat is there… oh god, maybe… naaaa… I guess he’s just really quick…” probably would be my reaction). So I always figured she would come to the conclusion there’s too much crazy folks around SB! 😀 But seriously, I agree with Surayya, charming, hjbau, etc… It’s not easy to turn your back on everything you’ve ever known and just start believing – in anything – without a big, real, irrefutable proof.
[adrotate group="5"]Ok, my theory for the book – so far.
I don’t think the book changes. The stories are all from a different time/space, somewhere in the past, and seem to written by someone who have seen them happen or heard of them – I like the Blue Fairy/MS theory, specially after ep.20.
So, unless the writers (of the show) are going to a very intricate path, I don’t think current events change to pages.And about the names, well, most of the fairy tale book are written in this particular style, and most often not all of the names – if not none – were told. Like this story, from the Grimm’s book –
“There was once a widow who had two daughters—one of whom was pretty and industrious, whilst the other was ugly and idle. But she was much fonder of the ugly and idle one, because she was her own daughter; and the other, who was a step-daughter, was obliged to do all the work, and be the Cinderella of the house. Every day the poor girl had to sit by a well, in the highway, and spin and spin till her fingers bled…”
And the story goes on and on and the girl is always “the girl” The poor girl”, etc. So it’s possible that the book is not written in the same way as we hear the flashbacks from FTL, but more, flourished. Also, I think there’s more presented to the spectators as there’s presented to Henry, at least details.
@hjbau wrote:
I disagree that kids are incapable of logical thought or understanding. Kids are people too. Smart people.
First, I always defend the idea that children are people able to think – I hate those silly ‘the-fluffy-rabbit-like-carrots’ kind of books that totally underestimate kids – BUT I’ll defend Pinnochio in this one. Not that I don’t blame him at all, of course leaving Emma was his fault, and I do agree he could at least have tried to find her later, but at the age of seven kids can tell right from wrong, but they CAN’T see how far their actions can go. Pin knew leaving Emma was wrong, he struggled a little to go (I personally think that scene was a little too short… they could’ve shown us more of his life there), but he couldn’t picture how wrong, how he was putting everyone life’s in danger, etc.
After that, well, he could have searched her, but… I guess it’s easy for us to see where things went wrong and what could have been done in someone else’s life, but life is not that simple.
(a very silly example: I could tell you, in a very practical way, all the reasons why I should work out more and eat less junky food, but do I do that? well, no. why not? well… 😀 )I’m not saying he has to be easily forgiven and petted and all, but if he is really sorry for failed at everyone and his father and is not only worried about him (I felt he was going to that direction on this week episode), then I think he deserves a redemption – a good one. ^ ^*
Not sure. But it does seem to me that whenever August is the topic there’s always ships and ship-related things! (like the picture behind Mr Gold when he goes see Archie ad etc…)
@charming wrote:
Hence that key ring of skeleton keys is symbolic of what Emma is to the curse. The skeleton keys just open doors and allows the person to walk in. Emma triggers past memories of FTL in others (ie. Graham, possibly David or Kathryn) then when everyone remembers collectively they will all fight the final battle. I do not believe Regina is the real enemy. I think it is Gold/ Rumple or someone they have not revealed yet.
I agree with this theory too! She’s the only one with the power to change the status quo of SB. It doesn’t necessarily mean she’s going to be the one who breaks the curse, but wherever is needed in order of it to happen, will only be possible with/because of Emma. I imagine there’s going to be a big battle between the pro-curse and the against-curse, and latter on, back in FTL, a huge battle between good/evil, whoever they are (because I’m not sure that the end of the curse will mean the solve of all their problems…).
@Pandora’s Imp wrote:
I know that story. It’s one of the Stories featured in Women who Run with the Wolves. I was thinking during the last episode, though I knew it was highly unlikely, that it would have been so cool if the old powerful one Bae was seeking would be Baba Yaga. I still think it would be awesome to see her in FTL. 😀
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I agree he is making progress. I thought the fact he didn’t just kill Kathryn was a sign of that. I think it’s because the Dark Magic that corrupted him doesn’t have the same hold on him in Storybrooke and his humanity has a better chance of taking control back.@Vasalisa wrote:
To Pandora’s Imp :
Women Who Run with Wolves was a wonderful book! Saved my life back in the 1990s. I didn’t realize I was so hungry for a tv show that took the old fairy tales and put them center stage! I love it! I was hoping the witch in the Hansel and Gretl episode would be Baba Yaga, but they never really called her that–though she could have been. I’ll be she shows up at some point. She’s too big not to–and she’d give Regina a run for her money! And Rumple, too, for that matter.
And yes–I’m glad you pointed that out. Mr Gold IS Rumple, but in Storybrooke, the Dark One Curse doesn’t have the same hold on him, so he’s free to develop his own personality and talents. That’s nice to see, too. He’s much less flashy and flamboyant than Rumple, and that’s ok too. He’s finding his own way to handle problems. Some things he learned from his Rumple days; Some things come back from his Spindleshanks (Pre-curse Rumple)–Those LIGHT and Hopeful parts.
I’m so sad there are only 3 shows left to the season. What will I do the rest of the summer?
Oh, that book saved my life just a few years ago! I always turn back to it whenever I feel lost, you know?! Vasalisa is one of my favourite stories too. And I recently found out there’s a Grimm’s story very similar to Vasalisa, The Brave. It’s called Mother Holle (if you don’t know it yet, as myself had never heard of it, take a look here – http://goo.gl/CZYOF). It would be lovely to see something like that in OUAT!
And back to Mr. Gold/Rumple: I’ve never thought of how being far from his Dark One self could set him free to try and become a better man. Makes a lot of sense. I’m just not convinced of his intentions yet (as I explained a few posts ago, about he just wanting to find and apologizing to Bae or if he realised all the harm he’s caused, etc etc etc…). But as Vasalisa said, just 3 episodes to go, so I guess we’ll be getting more Gold and then, we’ll be left with our thoughts and questions and hopes and no stories for some time (oh god, who invented the concept of seasons? whyyy?).
@Phred wrote:
Anyone else notice that August only dialed three digits on the green phone? It could mean nothing, as TV/movie scripts often shortcut actual dialing to get to the point, but in THIS show? Hmm … and no, I don’t think it was 911. Could a local number only need 3 digits to dial in Storybrooke? And what was with the green phone anyway? Another red herring perhaps?
Which brings me to another point. Some of the technology in SB is outdated, but some, not. In the pilot, they had internet and therefore a more recent PC, but later, Regina gave Henry an 80s-era game. Old TVs, all kinds of throwbacks. At City Hall in the early episodes at City Hall there were computer monitors all over the place – older ones. Wassup with that?
Anywho, I digress.
Back on topic, I still think August COULD be future-Henry, in some way. The way he tried to use the dagger on Mr Gold was very, umm, Henry/child-like.
Thoughts?
I believe the three numbers are just a result of video editing, so the scene didn’t get too long, etc. Maybe it’s something, but I personally believe it’s not.
About the old stuff, well, they where frozen in time, in 1984. Even now, with the time running, they wouldn’t get any new technology , since they are not allowed to get out of town nor is anyone but Emma allowed to come in…
…speaking of which, did you noticed that August’s motorcycle’s plaque expired in 1984? So, my guess is that he didn’t come from outside SB, but like Jefferson he might have been trapped somewhere in the outskirts, or something like that. So, in my mind, he would be a character from FTL – Pinocchio is ok, specially if something was made so he’d be safe, the White Knight too, but only if he was, like Jefferson, someone from FTL stucked in Wonderland…(Ok, It’s a bank holiday here, and it’s cold and raining. I’ll be at this forum a lot, it seems..)
So, It’s true they have a heavy Disney reference in OUAT, but there’s also a lot of LOST around, like the numbers and products. We’ve also have seen other pop culture references, like rock – ZOSO, from Led Zeppelin, ‘Jefferson’ Airplane and ‘Gracie’ Sleak… – the flower van that reads “Game of Thorns”, etc. Aaand, since the writers have also worked on other shows, like Buffy (you can see a weapon like hers in Rumple’s castle) and Battestar Galatica, Caprica, Fringe, Samllville, Terminator, Dollhouse, Heroes… well, I guess the doors can lead to SO MANY FREAKING places, in SO MANY possible dimentions!!!
And after reading all the theories here, specially Phee‘s
@Phee wrote:what places actually qualify as a whole separate world you’ve gotta travel to via hat? […]
If a story has a protagonist that leaves their own world in order for the story to happen, that’d surely qualify as being a whole separate land. Alice went to Wonderland, Dorothy went to Oz, the Darling kids went to Neverland, the Pevensies went to Narnia. […]and cruel_fortuna‘s one, for now, my theory or guesses or… you know… for the Hat Doors:
- 1 – ???
2 – It seems to be smaller than the other doors. My first though was dwarfs, but, hey, they are already in FTL. Maybe, Liliput? =]
3 – It’s golden or there’s a light coming from it. Maybe Neverland, since it’s a star.
4 – Looks medieval, but it could have something to do with vampires, maybe? Or Avalon.
5 – It seem like bricks to me. First thing I though was Harry Potter, hehe…
6 – The mirror on that doo, maybe it’s the dimension where Genie gets trapped, after his wish.
7 – I agree it could be FTL. (or Asgard, because of the tree. It looks kinda Nordic to me..)
8 – I would bet in Atlantis.
9 – Looks like an iron door. Also remind me of vampires. Or dragons. Or Nightmares.
10- Maybe those are Mayan or Aztecan designs? (it also reminded me of Indiana Jones 4)
11- The white thing is smoke? Or spirits?
12- Definitely oriental – if not Mulan, maybe something to do with Chinese tales.
13- OZ. No doubt.
14- Wonderland.
15- World of Pure Imagination, as Possum Snoodle said.
16- Also agree it’s SB or at east our time/space. It does look like a regular door to me.@charming wrote:
@squirtle wrote:
Ok, I’ve been watching this show and for the most part I love it but there is one thing I hate…..Emma’s waving character. One of the first things she said was that she could always tell when someone was lying, well, if that is the case, why can’t she tell when all her nemesis’s are lying. If I’m missing something, please point it out.
Also, each week she goes from cowardice to strong woman when it comes to Regina. No consistency.
Her emotions get in the way and her unwillingness to believe contributes to it.
I was wondering about that “waving” too. And, after reading here and thinking a bit, I got to the same conclusion as charming – she always could tell when someone was lying, but at that time she neither trusted nor cared for no one. Now she has met Henry and MM, and a place where, somehow, she belongs. Maybe it’s all affecting her.
Her attitude towards Regina, for me, is easily justifiable: Regina is the keeper of Henry and also has too much power in SB. Emma is bold enough to face Regina, but is also smart enough to back down sometimes, to avoid losing Henry. I think.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
Hmm…at first, I thought Rumpel was able to see the future, but other posters have pointed out that good planning skills could easily be mistaken for fortune-telling. To us, it may appear that Rumpel can see into the future, but the reality of the matter could be that Rumpel is facilitating things to happen a certain way. So, whatever Rumpel “predicts” will happen, will happen. Not because it’s meant to happen, but because he’s secretly facilitating it to happen. 😉
I do agree that Rumpel tends to be able to outsmart everyone, however, his judgement is easily clouded by emotional matters. The loss of Baelfire and Belle sent him over the deep end so to speak. So, as long as he’s able to keep his emotions under control, then he’ll come out as the winner. However, with the new development that both Baelfire and Belle are still alive, I doubt he’ll be able to hold onto his emotional and mental stability for much longer. 😯
I also believe he’s this incredible planner, but sometimes I wonder if he’s THAT good or if he’s (also) exceptional at analysing people and foreseeing where things are heading to. Because, if the first is the case, then, oh my, I fear for Emma and Henry – unless, as you’ve said, Rumple’s emotions get in the way. But if the second is the case, I think the story might take more unexpected turns.
