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Did anyone else notice, that Ruby probably had a kind of cameo in this OnceWL episode 1×11? After Alice and Cyrus arrived in Storybrooke, when they’re standing on the street, they were nearly hit by a car. And then another car drives by from opposite direction, playing loud music, a red one which very much looked like Ruby’s car, and if looking close there seemed to be a woman at the wheel with longer, possibly black hair. Normally ignore cars, and had to look up which model Ruby’s red car was, (and found a blog post about cars of Storybrooke, imagine that), but funny enough this car immediately grabbed my attention. LOL
Oh, right, Ruby’s car was a 1975 Camaro.
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Haven’t watched OnceWL since episode 2, but had to see Cora, Barbara Hershey. Of course she was not disappointing.
Did anyone else notice, that Ruby probably had a kind of cameo in this episode? After Alice and Cyrus arrived in Storybrooke, when they’re standing on the street, they were nearly hit by a car. And then another car drives by from opposite direction, playing loud music, a red one which very much looked like Ruby’s car, and if looking close there seem to be a woman at the wheel with longer possible black hair. Normally ignore cars, and had to look up which model Ruby’s red car was (and found a blog post about cars of Storybrooke, imagine that), but funny enough this car immediately grabbed my attention.
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@obisgirl I get it in the sense of understanding where it comes from. It’s easy to hate someone if you know little and if that person is set up against someone you think you know and like or even love. Given I don’t like the character Rumple, not the least bit, though I can understand where he is coming from. I don’t just understand but get, why one can hate what Milah did. But we should never make it easy for ourselves to hate a person (and not just their action, doings). So even if it is just about a fictional character it reflects on what happens in real, and it makes me sad, very very sad, that people are so quick with judgment.
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wow I just read through an amazing discussion about Milah!!!!!
here’s copy of some of it
(…)She was a selfish, cruel woman who wanted to punish Rumple for what she saw as his shortcomings. If she felt trapped it was likely because she didn’t want to leave without a better prospect to go to. If she’d left on her own, she might have had to take responsibility for her own unhappiness… and we can’t have that!
Wow, some harsh judgment based on so little facts.
I am always impressed, how people jump to conclusions and read a whole life time story out of pretty much nothing. Most of what is said is speculation and interpretation of the few facts we have. Like: We don’t know how much or how little Rumple told Milah about his father. He was known as the son of a coward. Possible Milah knew all the story, but as well possible she only knew he had a reputation and his father left him. It is not shown on the show, how much he told her. We don’t know how things were in the years between when Rumple came back home from the war and Milah leaving with Hook. Again: It is not shown. We know nothing about her background, maybe there are as good explanations for her reactions than there are for Rumple’s.
Milah was meant to look not sympathetic, because we got to see the story pretty much from Rumple’s point of view, and this was his story and not about Milah. Rumple blamed Milah for not supporting him, for leaving him and Bae, and he killed her for that. Yup, I know by then he was the Dark One, so what? That is an explanation and no excuse. Rumple is great in holding others responsible for their choices but if it comes to his choices it’s fate.
I am okay with people finding Rumple more understandable and sympathetic because his wife was not supportive and she was so selfish to have a different image of a happy life than Rumple. Yes, she was not mother of the year and left Bae, and she could have openly leave instead of pretty much sneak away. She did Rumple wrong. Okay.
What I don’t get: how people can develop so much hate for a (supporting and minor) character based on so little information.
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Kinda tough to find favorite moments in this episode…Which doesn’t mean, it was totally awful, it wasn’t, just a colorless filler episode. Good intentions but they didn’t quite had the right ideas, how to present it.
Liked:
The attempt to give insight into David’s emotions and thoughts. About time. Good mark for intention, but execution was not great. The scene with Emma in the nursery though was good. There was a moment I frowned a bit, it felt slightly unappropriate how David and Emma were reacting to each other (blame the good chemistry between the actors ;)), but on the other hand the thing of the whole scene was, that it wasn’t at all meant to be nice, friendly or comfortable, it was meant to be somewhat off. It was no all happy thoughts for David, it was a nightmare. Not sure if that was intentional, that the tension or chemistry between David and Emma was a tad awkward, if so, brilliant, but sure felt a moment of uneasiness before the scenery changed into scary dark nursery (anyone else had to think of Chucky?) and the vortex showed up.Also the moment between Regina and Henry. No whiny, clingy Regina but one dealing with things as they are at the moment in the best way possible. Liked the softness she showed. And might be a good thing for her to have to get know Henry in a new way.
Oh, and thanks for this:
Emma (to Hook): “Yes, I was in love, so of course I was considering it. As usual, he wasn’t who he said he was, and got my heart broken. That enough humor for you?”
Emma might have jumped into action mode very fast, she is that kind of person, but doesn’t mean she is all over and done with her emotions about what happened with Walsh.Not liked:
The whole Rapunzel story. What was the point? Okay, facing your fears, which of course showed up in a hooded figure revealing after a while itself as yourself (we’re our own worst nightmare, enemies, and so on, there was more to The Grudge though). What did that have to do with Rapunzel? This was not putting their own twist on a fairy tale, this was pretty much just name/character dropping. And the story didn’t make sense. So Rapunzel and her parents were one of those who stayed behind? Thanks to Cora or thanks to Regina’s curse only having taken a limited number of people, just those she choose? And Rapunzel was in that tower too long so she lost count of the years? Uh? Okay, a year can look very long if you have not much of a distraction like no TV or computer and internet around. But who provided for her all this time when it was her own nightmare chasing her into the tower? She had to eat, right? Maybe casual viewers don’t care about such tiny details, but don’t be surprised, if they are more and more confused about what is happening when and where, pre-curse, post-curse, dark-cursed, de-cursed, re-cursed, whatever-cursed, not to mention the realms, Neverland, Wonderland, Netherworld, Black-White-Land, Someworld, Hereland, Thereland… In that sense, it was a good thing that Rapunzel’s story was so irrelevant that no one really needs to care.Oh, speaking of the t-thing: David and Snow didn’t wait long to get to it, did they? Maybe a few days in, a month, yeah, some things are good to do when you’re in stress about rebuilding your kingdoms and dealing with some new foe in form of a skillful wicked witch. Time for lovely distraction. Or did it happen even earlier? Okay, maybe better not think about it at all *rolleyes*
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Nice idea, @sweetgrass
And agreed, there is a touch of desperation whenever he is courting Emma. Are we sure that he still has or owns his heart? He said, he got the memory-back-potion with the message – did he? It adds a layer to Hook, which is nice, because being just the guy who is lovesick and following Emma like a puppy would be a rather boring.
Guess that we will learn more when Blackbeard comes into play
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@WickedRegal You might be up to something.
And the resurrection idea reminded me, that Osiris, the Egyptian god of the underworld/afterlife is shown with green skin. He was also associated with annual flooding of the Nile, vegetation and agriculture (thus the green). Maybe more interesting, the patron and protector of Lower Egypt was a goddess called Wadjet, which means the papyrus colored or green one, often shown as snake-headed or as snake (a cobra). The crown of Lower Egypt is a the Red Crown (Deshret). Wadjet was also seen as protectors of mothers and particular during childbirth. Her sister was Nekhbet, goddess of Upper Egypt, the mother of mothers, depicted as vulture or with the White Crown of Upper Egypt. Together they became protectors of all Egypt and the pharaos. Probably just coincidence. But something to spin more ideas, speculation 😉
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@Keb: The information you put together makes 200 years look plausible.
What is frustrating for the fans is a nice or practical thing for writers. The phrase “a couple of hundred years” is a rather vague information, could be somewhat more than one hundred, could be two, maybe three, maybe more… it says the person is older, likely older than normal people would become, but not exactly how old, nor does the information nail the timeline in a way you have to absolutely stick to it. It leaves time open to play with. Rule of writing: Don’t give (precise) information unless you absolutely have to – that goes for time and date as much as for places. Fairy tales are a prominent example of tales keeping details like time, date, places vague – which makes them so successful over ages.
I am sure, that they have a timeline in their writers room, or maybe should call it more a sequence of order of events, because I doubt that they have nailed it all as a detailed chronology of OUaT history. 200 or 300 year – that is not so important at the moment, it’s likely something in between. Writers need a certain degree of flexibility to add new levels to the stories. And 10 or 5 years – that might be important for teenagers, but at some point the difference can get a bit blurry 😉
Just noting: Interesting how we obsess about the timeline while fairy tales are such time-less things. Last time I had that many discussions about a timeline was with Star Trek (it could drive nuts, even more so thanks to writers not paying attention to Stardates, so of course there had to be some calendar and time measuring reforms in the Federation besides some wacky time phenomenon explanations, and thanks to Abrams most of it now has changed anyway, LOL)
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There is a good advice for all storytellers: Keep it simple. The more complex you make a story, the more you risk plot holes and inconsistency you have to patch up painfully. OUaT already is quite complex sometimes in the story and even more so with plots (the way the story is told). And that is something that strongly speaks for me against Zelena not telling the truth, against Zelana playing some even more complicate scheme on Regina, Rumple and everybody. I was no fan of the idea of Wicked Sisters, still am not all convinced of it being the best way to drive the story, but they introduced it well enough to me to make it believable, that Zelena is Regina’s half sister. Her motives coming from that, or more her story, it’s not so much that she is Regina’s sister but what is implied with that, offers strong motives and more than one layer to it. It will be hard enough to follow, what Zelena is exactly doing with Storybrooke and why and what the full background will be with Cora, Rumple and Oz. The majority of viewers are people not thinking all day and night about all the possible branches and roots and depth and twists of OUaT.
But of course, the writers might try to have another big twist, never can be sure unless it’s shown.
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