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@LaurieAnne wrote:
Myril, calling fans “dumb” (or “dump”) for buying this book or for being open to trying it is not really in the spirit of this forum. You’ve made your decision that you don’t like it. Other people might have a different opinion and are not necessarily dumb.
Should have put it in quotation marks, sorry, because that is certainly not how I think, otherwise I would not be on any forum at all, but that is how I know some people think, merchandising folks who don’t care at all about fans but all about money. If someone wonders, yes, I’ve met that kind of people in real life, who think that fans are so “dumb” to buy anything with the right label on it, no matter what crap. I think differently, and for sure think fans deserve better. That was all I wanted to express with it, that was no judgment of fans on my side, it was a judgment about how some do fan merchandising.
If you like this book or not, buy it or not is of course your decision, not judging anyone for that.
But yes, at the moment this looks to me more like fan merchandising done bad and not like showing real love for the fans.
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The end justifies the means: Cora was evil, so killing her was the right thing to do no matter how it happened. Being judge, jury and executioner in one person is no problem. One way to see it, not the way I see it.
Maybe Cora deserved to die, seeing what she did, but then so do Rumple and Regina and Hook, because they all killed people, no, not just killed, they murdered (yes, I assume here about Hook, he has the behavior of someone who did murder, and have no doubt he would have murdered Belle if not for Regina, what irony). I would be more for a life sentence, because I’m not at all into death penalty, but that is another discussion.
Maybe Cora deserved to die, whatever, for some that is an important point, I say it doesn’t matter that much when examining and judging what Snow did.
Snow gave Regina hope, told her that if she would put the heart back into her mother, she finally might have a mother, a family, a family Henry could be a part of. Snow said that it was Regina’s choice (how Rumple of her). But Snow knew all the time, that she had cursed the heart, and that because of that putting the heart back into Cora, no matter who would do it, was going to kill Cora. She let Regina do the execution without really giving her a choice, because she never told her the full extent of what would happen. I call that manipulative and evil.
Don’t think that is comparable even to what for example Aladdin did, it’s worse (to tie in with the beginning of the topic here). Right, maybe Snow would have tried to do it herself, put the heart back into Cora if getting a chance to, we don’t know, but fact is, Snow didn’t, she used Regina as tool. That might have been out of opportunity and the only way to still succeed, but that doesn’t make it any better in my opinion.
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@PriceofMagic wrote:
I wonder if Nova and Grumpy can be together now because technically they are both human and not a fairy and a dwarf.
Grumpy seems to be quite eager to go back to the Fairy Tale Lands. If they rekindle the story of Grumpy and Nova though can see some interesting plot to make Grumpy think twice.
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@PriceofMagic wrote:
Blue Fairy interfered with Bae and Rumple. Bae may have asked for help but Blue was too quick with the solution of sending Bae and Rumple to another world. Surely children on the battlefield who spoke of her would have asked for her help. It was up to Rumple to stop the war, yet the child soldiers spoke her name. Why didn’t she help them?
Also Morraine seemed a bit suspicious in the scene when she told Bae about the Blue Fairy. She appeared when Bae was alone, gave him the information about Blue Fairy then disappeared when Rumple came back despite saying she wasn’t afraid of him. Did Bae even wish on the blue star anyway? He just seemed to call out for Blue Fairy and she appeared. Was she waiting for him to ask for her help and Morraine just gave him the nudge? Also Rumple was yelling for Blue Fairy to appear and she did, he wasn’t wishing on any star.
Some people see conspiracy, I don’t.
Don’t think Blue was too fast with her solution, there was nothing else to suggest. She couldn’t undo the curse of the Dark One in their world full of magic.
The Ogre war. Knowing a name, telling a legend doesn’t mean automatically they asked for her help – and who knows, she might have helped as best as she could those asking with pure heart. Different from some I think that the Blue Fairy is not big into making big politics, she helps individuals, and any help she can offer has limits, with good reason in my opinion. I still wonder what Rumple did to end that one Ogre war – but we know other wars followed so it had no lasting effects. He cared only as long as it was a threat to his son. And I am not convinced if whatever Rumple did to end this one war was really that good in the long run.
We’ve seen Rumple kill a villager for pretty much nothing, just to make sure no one would dare to even look wrong at his son. In the woods the other kids were too afraid to stay around and play with Bae because of his father. Morraine was in Bae’s age and had a bit of thing for him, so despite being scarred of Rumple she sat down with Bae (she was afraid, at least that is what I saw in her body language, she said otherwise to encourage Bae). This was a girl being nice despite her fears and not at all sneaky. I for one could very well understand why she set off when she heard Rumple returning, one way or the other she was smart enough to know that Rumple had turned into a bit of a control freak and might have not been all happy seeing her.
Bae called for the Reul Ghorm, and asked for help. The wishing thing that was told later in the Fairy Tale Lands is legend. The important thing is, that someone is asking for help.
Right, Rumple wasn’t wishing anything and not asking for help, but should the Blue Fairy have left his call for her unanswered? Rumple had something to discuss with her, or not? If she hadn’t answered many would accuse her even more to be suspicious and up to something. She wasn’t there to fulfill a wish (Rumple hardly was still pure of heart by the way), but to answer to Rumple.
Blue didn’t interfere with Bae unasked for. If she could be accused of anything then that she didn’t arrange for a family conference between Bae and Rumple to discuss matters with her, but somehow doubt that would have done much good. Sooner or later Rumple would have driven his son away.
So far I have no reason at all to suspect, that at some point as kid or teenager, sometime before Daniel was killed and Regina lost purity of heart, that before that Regina wished for the Blue Fairy (using whatever name for her) or asked her for help. Regina didn’t ask for it so the Blue Fairy didn’t help. And I don’t see the fairies as the equivalent of a social service of the Fairy Tale lands, who by some law have to interfere if a kid is abused or in danger. The fairies are beings you can ask for help, then they do what they can, the good fairies with good intentions, dark fairies probably not so good ones. All they can do is give you some means to change your situation, it is nevertheless still up to you what you make of it in the end.
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@chrisgirl85 wrote:
Well…why not when she was a little girl, or a teenager? I know it’s just a show… 😎
What could or should the Blue Fairy have done for Regina earlier? Give her a different family? Make her mother Cora care and love? Not saying there would have been nothing, just wondering what she could have done.
How much did the Blue Fairy know about the situation of Regina?
Would it have been any right for the Blue Fairy to get involved and meddle with Regina without Regina asking her for it?
Could she have “rescued” Regina?Not even in fairy tales (and less in other kind of tales) faires are omniscient and/or omnipotent, they don’t solve all problems someone has at once with a flick of their wand. The opposite: Often fairy tales tell that taking the easy road leads to no good in the end. And most of the times fulfillment of wishes comes with some catch. Or to cite Rumple. Magic comes with a price.
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Think the difference of dialogue, quotes is on purpose, or should be, otherwise it would be plain bad writing. Hardly a copyright issue, at least I can’t see any reason to not use the exact script quotes, after all this is meant to be official merchandising as far as we know.
If it’s meant to display different point of view might be okay, and could be even brilliant when written well. We remember things differently, we already experience things differently. When you ask people right after an event you will get at least slightly different versions of it. You all know the game, I guess, called telephone or messenger game, when people pass a message to another whispering – and the last player tells the message to the group. That is not just a game, it’s a good demonstration of psychology at work, it is more than only about hear-say and how information can be changed by indirect communication, but it’s as well about attention and different perception. Have fun and change the set-up for example but inducing some distractions, it will get harder for people to pass the exact message.
Nevertheless changes in dialogue like this can be distracting for fans, bit of a risk. And changes in details should have purpose in my opinion, do something for the story, for seeing the character differently while staying true to the character (something fan fiction often fails to do), otherwise they are just distracting and annoying.
For example letting Henry eat the cupcake (by the way, the cupcake did move on the table between shots, to the side of the juice bottle closer to Henry, think it’s the cupcake, otherwise it disappeared). Hm. But Henry saying he is good at telling if people lie too? Or that in the show Emma had painted fingernails when she met Ryan, while in the book for a moment she is bothered that she hasn’t painted them. Okay, maybe she hasn’t done it fresh and could have done overhaul, but something like that does make me wonder how much attention the author paid to detail, or more how little, or what she wants to say with that about the character (and wonder here not in a good way, although the not painted fingernails could be fitting to character). I’m normally someone not even paying myself attention to such tiny details like painted fingernails, or it’s something easily slipping my attention, so means something, that even I noticed and remembered that in the show Emma had painted fingernails. And then there is the moment when Henry doesn’t tell her the address – and sorry, that is not how I think Emma would remember it. Nitpicking maybe. But if I already find enough things in just one chapter, on just a few pages, which make me stumble and not let find any good rhythm of reading, I doubt I will enjoy much of the rest of the book. In other words: To me it looks like this is a book not for fans, or at worst a rip-off (fans are so dump to buy everything even if they hate it, because true fans have to have things, right)
Who is Odette Bean? Didn’t find much besides this book announcement, and in times of social media sides that is a tad odd. Newbie author or alias or just an author who hasn’t published anything yet and been some web shy very private person? Just wondering (and I know a bit about searching people on the web)
Such TV or movie books seldom are revelations of good writing, in my experience, reason why I hardly ever buy them by now (there are libraries). My expectations are low anyway. But if getting the feeling this is just for the money and not the least giving fans a bit love back, because, sorry who else would buy such stuff, then it can even tick me off.
After this tease, this first chapter, I don’t have the feeling to get a better look at the inside of the characters or learn new things. At the moment this looks to me like some bad written fan fiction paying not enough attention to story or characters, and there are tons of that stuff for free on the web. Very disappointing.
Yes, harsh review of a just the first chapter. But I think fans deserve better than that. And non-fans too.
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Welcome to the forums!
More of a science fiction type too, but some fantasy has grown on me. And a good show is a good. 😉¯\_(?????? ?)_/¯
Hello Misha. Welcome to the forums! 😀
National Novel Writing Month is a great thing. Maybe this year finally will do it.
And I’d like to apologize to you: I am bad with grammar and my spelling depends on my form of the day (or maybe more night). But I’m sure we’re going to get along well. 😉¯\_(?????? ?)_/¯
