[Myril]

Okay, Oz the Great and Powerful was just released barely a week ago, but has anyone seen it already?
Any good?

[Myril]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

If she’s weaker in SB than alright. I’ll take that under consideration However, how is it that the ultimate power, the oldest power, wasn’t able to stop the curse? She was really ineffective in both realms. Either she wanted the curse to happen for reasons we don’t yet understand or they really need to underplay her supposed power.

Don’t want to hijack this topic, so answering to this about the Blue Fairy now here, character discussion.

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[Myril]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

If she’s weaker in SB than alright. I’ll take that under consideration However, how is it that the ultimate power, the oldest power, wasn’t able to stop the curse? She was really ineffective in both realms. Either she wanted the curse to happen for reasons we don’t yet understand or they really need to underplay her supposed power.

Picking up discussion from another topic, Barrier Spell? Mr. Gold’s Shop

Who says that any power could have stopped the Dark Curse? No matter how powerful otherwise. Yes, Cora was able to protect a tiny spot of the Fairy Tale lands, or more precise, she was able to keep people in that tiny spot from being transported to the other world, but they were frozen in time like the people in Storybrooke. What Cora did was a tiny modicication of the curse for a few, but was not any close to stopping it. So, should the Blue Fairy have done the same, protect a few, the charming family maybe while most other would still suffer?

Why was she ineffective? Just because she didn’t offer to everybody an easy simple way out of their problems?

I know, many think she should have stopped the Ogre wars like Rumple did stop one Ogre war. But who says she could have done that, unless using the same methods Rumple probably did, threats and deals and dark magic, doubt he achieved the end of the war playing nice. And who says it did so much good to stop that Ogre war? Looks like other wars followed, so Rumple wasn’t really effective either, was he, only for the moment.

Besides we’re trusting the words of others, hear-say.

I have no doubt that the Blue Fairy was powerful in the Fairy Tale Lands, but I am as sure that her power had limits even there, there is no such thing as an ultimate power.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Slurpeez found the entire interview.

http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/494/show_4494095.mp3

Thanks.

Shouldn’t we all have learned at school to name sources when spreading information? 😉 :geek:
Interview by Barbara Barnett, Let’s Talk TV on blogtalkradio.com

She has done Interviews with Jane Espenson before and offers some interesting thoughts and spoilers in her blogs.

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[Myril]

No, don’t think we’ve seen the room or the castle before, very sure we haven’t seen the crest and colors before.

KFChimera – your idea could work.

It was never said for which kingdom Cora would be 5th in order of succession for becoming queen, let alone which rules of succession would apply (there are different possibilities). But it ‘s safe to assume it was for King Xavier’s kingdom, and probably had little to do with Eva at that point. Unclear is if she meant queen as ruler or just as a title for the wife of a king (term is sometimes unclear), but let’s assume she meant as ruler, it makes more sense. Then order of succession had to be not limited to royal blood line nor to male line. Rules of succession can be rather complicate, it’s not even always the case that the eldest son of the ruling king is the first in order of succession.

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[Myril]

Put some thoughts about the Blue Fairy into the character discussion threat about her: The Blue Fairy aka Mother Superior – https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=710

In short for the discussion here: I think the powers of the Blue Fairy are much weaker in Storybrooke, still are, than they were in the Fairy Tale lands, because of the nature of her magic. So she wasn’t able to break the barrier spell Gold had cast before leaving for New York.

Guess it takes less power for the one who cast the barrier spell originally to kinda switch it off. So despite being weakened Gold was able to turn it off, so that not just he but his son, Emma, Snow, Charming could get into the shop. (not shown in the episode, but can’t show every detail)

Gold though was by then too weak to conjure another barrier spell for protecting the shop against the evil duo, so he needed Emma to do it.

With their combined powers Regina and Cora could overcome that spell. They didn’t try it on the first spell when Rumple was gone quite simply because they thought the dagger wouldn’t be in the shop anyway, waste of energy.

Alone it took Cora a little longer to overcome the second barrier in the shop, which Emma created after their fallback.

Makes all sense to me.

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[Myril]

(Trying to revive this topic, being a little tired of umpteenth topics created new discussing the same thing all over the place while we neglect this nice place called character discussion)

Some thoughts about the Blue Fairy and her power, her magic:

Morraine: I heard about it when I was in the trenches. The other soldiers talked about it. Reul Ghorm is an ancient being that rules the night. The original power.
Baelfire: Bigger than Papa, or worse than Papa?
Morraine: Bigger than anything.

Some call the Blue Fairy the ultimate power, guess because it was said on the show she is the “original power” and “bigger than anything” (ep 1×19 The Return), although ultimate and orignal kinda contradict each other, but I know that it’s used to express that we were made to think that she is the most powerful being in the land(s). Well, most powerful being in the Fairy Tale Lands maybe, maybe in magical lands – but that doesn’t necessarily mean she is the most powerful being wherever. Maybe it’s a question of the nature of magic, the nature of the faeries’ magic, the nature of the Blue Fairy’s magic.

In ep 1×14 Dreamy the Blue Fairy tells Nova about how important fairy dust is:

Blue Fairy: Careful. Careful. Fairy dust is the most precious substance in all the land. Its magic is what powers the world. This is the year’s supply – we must be cautious.

What makes me speculate:
a) magic is at the core of the Fairy Tale land, the Enchanted Forest, it’s its very heart and soul, maybe its origin (this is maybe different for other lands, for a few maybe similar, magical lands as well, but not all the same). The purest and maybe original form of the magic of the Fairy Tale lands is fairy dust.
b) as it looks without fairy dust fairies might not be able to do much magic, not even in the place where it orignated and is part of the land’s core nature, the Fairy Tale lands
c) the original power is the origin of fairy dust as much as a kind of manifestation of the first fairy dust. I know, that sounds mind-boggling, but it can make sense (never expect an answer what was there first, the fairy dust or the fairies)
d) the fairies, the Blue Fairy and their magic are so rooted in the Fairy Tale lands that if taken somewhere else they might lose much, most of their power. Or in other words: Without fairy dust fairies are still (mostly) benevolent spirits but without much power to do anything.

It’s a bit like the idea of Gaia (greek goddes, representing earth, roman Terra) and the Gaia hypothesis developed in the 70s – but transfered to a fairy tale concept.

Now the magic Rumple / Mr. Gold, Regina, Cora have been and are practicising is of somewhat different nature. Obviously it doesn’t take fairy dust for this kind of magic to be practiced. It still is connected to the origin of all magic in the Fairy Tale land, but it’s not all bound to it. This kind of magic works by tapping into emotions. Good question maybe if it works just with human emotions, if only humans have emotions which can be used that way, so magical beings can’t tap into that source maybe, or if humans and magical beings can use that kind of magical power. Interesting to look at the story of Dreamy and Nova under that aspect, the reactions of Bossy and the Blue Fairy, their assumption that it’s only a dream, dwarfs don’t have feelings, and fairies probably shouldn’t get too much into feelings.

Using emotions to practice magic is a faster way and might even mean that for a moment it can be a very powerful magic, but it’s the kind of magic definitly costing. Every magic might have a price, but if you take the quick way might cost a little more. Just an idea.

Using emotions to conjure magic makes it easier to practice that kind of magic even outside of the fairy tale lands, you just need let’s say a basic level of magic, a thin layer, to do it.

Could explain, why the fairies, the Blue Fairy are not much of a match now in Storybrooke, even after Gold brought a bit of magic to it.

For those wondering about what I meant, when saying ultimate and original kinda contradict each other:
ultimate = Medieval Latin ultimatus (“furthest, last”), past participle of Latin ultimare (“to come to an end”), from ultimus (“last, final”)
original = Latin originalis (“primitive, original”), from Latin origo (“beginning, source, origin”).
(source: Wiktionary)
Of course can say, the end is the beginning is the end, but I hope you get my point.

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[Myril]

Overview of other topics discussing the Blue Fairy:
There has been discussions about the Blue Fairy in other topics, and in some topics created to discuss nearly the same. Here a few links if someone wants to see what was discussed there.

THEORY: The Blue Fairy is the True Puppet-Master
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1887

Blue — Is she really good?
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2052

Blue Fairy = Fate
https://oncepodcast.com/forums//viewtopic.php?p=42202

Does the Blue Fairy Have her own agenda?
https://oncepodcast.com/forums//viewtopic.php?p=16546

And were the discussion mostly is about the Blue Fairy:

THE REAL BIG BAD!!! Theories
https://oncepodcast.com/forums//viewtopic.php?p=41187

WHO IS THE PUPPET MASTER
https://oncepodcast.com/forums//viewtopic.php?p=17294

there are probably more but didn’t want to spent all morning searching for it.

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[Myril]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

So Myril, if I’m reading this graph right, there was a pretty big spike between 8-10:00 pm which is when the East and West coast would have viewed OUaT, yes?

Ignore the graph, that shows only the sum of tweets they count for all the shows and programs they monitor on Twitter. Only gives a visual idea why prime time might deserve its name.

More interesting is what ItachiIshtar already pointed to. Once is the number one talked about broadcast prime time show on Sunday evening.

Sorry for sending you so unprepared in the wilderness of social media numbers and statistics 😉

Twitter is for everyone in marketing paradies and hell at the same time. It seems to offer so many possibilities to market as much as to learn about markets. There are many trying to make sense of all the nifty numbers and data one can squeeze out of Twitter.

Guess somewhere out there should be numbers for Facebook and Google+ as well, but haven’t found them yet nicely presented regularily online like this data about Twitter.

There are shows creating a lot more buzz on Twitter than Once, have to be realistic, but it does okay for Sunday eve, and for a show neither aimed mostly at teenagers (or anyone still feeling like one, *coughs*) nor at the typical nerd and geek types.

@MysteryKat25 Yup, Twitter and Nielsen are already working on it, taking social media into acount, but officially it will start with this Fall season.

It’s good that Once now seem to come up with hashtags for the episodes to make it better visible (one of the things many not so familiar with Twitter often complain about is, that its a rather confusing fast stream of statements and news, but with hashtags it can be a very informative, interactive and useful medium).

#OneWillDie was not a bad promotion idea, sparking some speculation who and, well, until the show aired and showed who no one could be sure of the outcome. Think it was the one thing of this episode they could use for this kind of promotion.

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[Myril]

If anyone is interested in Twitter numbers from past Sunday, March 10th 2013, episode 2×16 “The Miller’s daughter” you can find it here http://sgi.socialguide.com/social_tv_ratings/daily/03-10-2013

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