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Another more transitional episode. Some funny moments, some interesting moments, and more questions than answers. Not an episode to love on first sight, but think, it’s worth a couple of more looks.
Having a thing for old black and white movies, and for early monster movies, so liked the look of the flashbacks. Liked that Rumple stood out being in color red, although it made me wonder why on the other hand Frankenstein had color when he came to the Enchanted Forest. Probably one of those insignificant technicalities only geeks lose sleep over 😉
Speaking of: Who called 911? Or have they set up some hidden alarm system at the town line? SnowCharmingSwan SWAT team was there in no time, impressive.
Liked the little moment at the hospital showing Grumpy particular cares about Belle. Remember here or in some other forum someone already wondered, if they would tie it in, that the two have met and helped each other.
The watch Gerhard got was a pocket watch, while Whale later threw a wrist watch into the water, the later watch actually belonged to Greg (there is a scene with David earlier, in which Whale is musing about it). So it was not the same watch. Maybe the watch is not at all important besides that it reminded Whale here of what happened with his brother. Or maybe there is more to it. Noticed as well in the episode before, that the very moment the stranger, Greg, crossed the line into Storybrooke, a thunderstorm started. Hardly any coincedence.
Would freak out like Belle when waking up after an accident in hospital and some strange creep is kissing me. Her reactions later in the episode, when Rumple tried to jog her memory with the chipped cup made me think, there is more than amnesia going on. Actually, she does not really suffer amnesia, because she does remember something, but memories of a different personality, not her Fairy Tale Lands identity. She reacted like someone afraid of a newly mental breakdown. So maybe her Storybrooke personality always kinda has remembered, foggy bits and pieces, but has been thinking, those are not memories of real events but of halluzinations and illusions, believing that maybe she was crazy, possible diagnose schizophrenic. Hearing Rumple now talk of castles and magic makes her feel like she’s having a relapse. So she’s getting angsty and angry.
Rumple’s evil sides coming out more obviously again – of course, he is desperate. Desperate about Belle, Hook sure has hit his heart. He probably tried true love’s kiss, hoped it to work, and that is a big thing for Rumple to even try. Remember what happened in the Fairy Tale Lands when Belle kissed him? The curse of the Dark One was starting to break. So if he seriously hoped for true loves effect in this moment, it meant, he was risking his powers. It didn’t work though. Maybe because of him too. For sure because Belle doesn’t remember a thing about him. Thanks that the writers don’t think, that just one kiss makes people fall in love.
When Rumple threatened the Charmings that was not unexpected, that is the Dark One. He is there, he is slowly taking over again, and it’s happening now, when Rumple is eventually about to find his lost son. Bad timing for him. Will be interesting to see what’s going to happen, expect no quick, all happy family reunion. (they keep it intersting)
Cora meant what she was saying, she wasn’t lying to Regina, doesn’t change that she wants her daughter all for herself, her absolute love, and define what is her happiness, without regards for Regina and certainly not for anybody else. Cora will do everything for it. She never will share her daughters love with Henry either.
Regina, all torn about her mother. Yes, she is inconsistent, and weak and vulnerable when it comes to Cora, and even when she manages to stand up for a moment it doesn’t take long for her to cave in. That is not bad writing, that is a portrait of a codependency (that is a psychological condition in which one person is controlled and manipulated by another having mostly some sort of pathologcial condition, often drug addiction or narcissism). Doesn’t excuse anything Regina has done and is doing, but it explains a lot.
Know that some think Jared Gilmore’s acting is not all gold, but think when he played Cora as Henry he did some good job. There was something slightly off in his body language and movement giving away early it was Cora in disguise. Not sure if this was intentionally but besides that I missed Henry’s bagpack as well, making me think, that was not him.
Rumple and Cora. We guessed there is some more story between those two, I always had a hunch some close relationship even – why all the horror about the kiss? Come on, not only the young and beautiful are kissing, get a grip. I was wondering, how Regina knew about true love’s kiss eventually working on Rumple / The Dark One, she suggested it to Belle – maybe just a good guess, but it sounded like she was quite sure about it. And Regina said something to Belle in that scene in the episode “Skin Deep” (1×12): “master and lover”. Now Cora called Rumple half jokingly master. That scene in the shop between Cora and Rumple was so interesting, they sure have some history. Anyone else even more curious now?
And what a setup by Cora. Getting Rumple out of her way. Rumple, he who is toying and manipulating people now for centuries is played by his apprentice. Oh dearie. Doubt that Cora is done with him, but right now she has what she wants first, Rumple out of town and time to work on her daughter.
Whale and Ruby – still think she deserves far better, but at least he proved to be not all of a douchbag. Monster to monster bonding.
Interesting that Ruby voiced, that maybe Regina did them a favor without wanting too, offering a new fresh start. To be expected somewhat from Ruby, but at the same time she is one of those who have to fear the most if the real world will ever find out about magic Storybrooke. Showing that things are far from simple, staying might be as attractive for some as going back.
The flashbacks. Nice that they fleshed out Whale’s story, tied in quite nicely with the present Storybrooke dilemma of helping or letting someone die, and Whale stressing out about that saving one person seems to end up in his experience in killing someone else. Everything has a price. Whatever we do has consequences. While Whale though doubts it’s worth it and fate maybe is something better not to tempt, Rumple and Cora have a different attitude.
It’s an interesting motif in this episode: losing hope and regaining it. Whale, Rumple, Regina – all close to lose hope about something. In the end Whale regains some hope, doesn’T kill himself but saves the stranger, Rumple gets distracted from the seemingless hopeless situation with Belle by looking for his son, Regina gets some delusive hope offered by her mother.
The stranger. Greg Mendell. Well, we will have plenty of time to talk about him, have we, something to fill the break.
Emma has some medical knowledge. Very normal for a former bail bond person and now sheriff. Just kidding. It was funny to hear her “diagnose” at the scene of accident that Hook has broken rips though. So had a giggle with that little moment when Emma came to interview Greg. Nope, no nurse. (btw, Lana Parilla as well played a doctor before, the series though never made it beyond first season) 😛
When Henry was geeking and babbling was hilarious. As normal as it can get in this family. “Eat, I really want to go to bed”, haha, Emma nailed it. Who wouldn’t have liked at some point in the show to shout at Henry: shut up, clever boy! And the headdesk moment – priceless. 😆
Nods to pop culture – should make any geek swoon. Little candy like the Star Wars ringtone (so, Greg is pressumably a geek. Didn’t catch the R2 42 – nice one TheGoldenKey! Movies scary for aliens, uhm any magical beings. Splash – another tease for mermaids. And thanks precocious Henry everybody watching the show should now know, that Frankenstein was not the one with neck bolts! Thank you!
And that was a broad hint, so all now know what we guessed for a while : there are not just fairy tale characters in this story. Phew, clarification was so overdue. Finally my geeky soul can rest at peace at night again. Or not. :geek:
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@RumplesGirl wrote:
Oh gosh. How could I forget: “I ate my boyfriend.”-Ruby. The recall the Peter was tragic, but this line was just hysterical in the moment.
It was. More so seeing that now more people might ship Ruby / Whale
another line:
Whale: “I get the best watches this way.” (looking at Greg’s wrist watch)
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Jane Espenson seldom fails to amuse me.
David: “Why are my instincts telling me it’s a bad thing”
(developing Jedi knight’s senses, are we. I have a bad feeling about this)
Grumpy: “‘Cause you’ve seen ‘E.T’ or ‘Splash’ or any other movie where they find something magical and study it to death.”
(uhm, ya, we normal humans are so obnoxiously curious. And watching movies makes paranoid.)Grumpy: “You do understand, that computer hacking and pickaxing are different?!”
(mnah, it’s nearly the same)Rumple: “Stiltskin. Rumple von Stiltskin.”
(what, that Scottish 90s post-grunge one hit band still exists?)Rumple:”What tipped you off? My rosy complexion?”
(nope, the humor)Victor Frankenstein: “Are you a philanthropist?” – Rumple: “Well, I’ve been called worse.”
(really?)Rumple (to Cora): “Had hoped you were dead, but hey, disappointment is just part of life. I’m sure we can agree on that.”
(life is such a letdown)Cora: “The crocodile snaps at the little bird.”
(ouch!)Cora (to Rumple): “I want you to find the one person in this universe who might still love you. After all I’m doing the same thing.”
(mum and dad of the year)David: “Got the scent?” Ruby (disgusted): “Boozy”
(hate it too when I’ve to find my boyfriend following his trail of bad scent)Whale: “Rumplestiltskin says that magic has a price, but from where I am sitting seems that science does too.”
(profound insights)Ruby: “Look, you’re Frankenstein, and I’m the werewolf.”
(just to be clear here)Whale: “Thank you, monster to monster”
(monsters stick together)Emma: “We’re not a group-sheriff”
( just family business)Belle:”It’s a cup.”
(the simple findings of life are sometimes the best. And sometimes not)Greg:”Nurse?” – Emma :”Sheriff Swan, actually”
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When I took a look at the scene frame by frame saw a woman, yes, but it’s Belle herself, the back of her, when the camera is panning from right to left. It’s only kinda from Belle’s point of view, the camera is not taking fully her position.
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@EIreland wrote:
Does anyone know what episode it is when we learn that Emma has been on her own since she was 16? I’ve rewatched all the SB parts from episodes 1-8 and i CANNOT find this reference… We all seem to know it, and seem to agree that it was said… anyone know where it was from?
I’m working on a ridiculous youtube video and shows all the silly goofs in the REALITY timeline and I thought this might be important!
Emma tells Mary Margaret in the episode True North (1×09), that she had been in the (foster) system for 16 years.
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Doubt even the Blue Fairy knows how to. Don’t remember the Blue Fairy saying, that she would need her wand to help Sneezy. Only remember the dwarfs telling Sneezy / Clark, that they are going to mine for fairy dust to get back what he lost, his memory. Since then there was no more talk about how to get Sneezy’s memory back. And regaining the memory wasn’t high on the to-do-list (but don’t remember all lines of all episodes by heart yet 😉 so maybe someone can tell when she said it?)
So I’m not sure, if the Blue Fairy can help, or already knows how to help if, but it’s the best hope they have so far. Don’t think she necessarily will need the wand though if, but fairy dust for sure.
Rumple won’t just have to swallow his pride, but in this case get over his hate and deep going distrust. It was the Blue Fairy who gave his son the bean, he accused her that she took his son away. So if the Blue Fairy can offer help, Rumple will have to overcome way more than his pride.
The Dark One is very powerful anyway, don’t think that giving up a fairy wand would diminish his powers significantly, the wand is more of a tool, very useful but not essential to Rumple. Not saying he would like to give it up, particular not in this world, where magic works differently, but don’t see it as such a big asset (all the effort he put into getting it was helping King Georg a second time, and doubt that was the plan for all he did for and with King Georg in the first place, more of an opportunity he made good use of).
Asking the Blue Fairy for help is pretty much the very last thing Rumple would do IMO, when he has no other choice. He sounded very desperate right after Belle lost her self, right, but that was in the moment of shock. Remember how he yelled at the Blue Fairy after Bae was gone. But than he came up with the idea of a curse to go after Belle. Might be the same here. Rumple will start to think of something and try whatever is in his powers before trusting the Blue Fairy.
I though do like the idea, that he would have to make a choice again: his power or love.
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If I hear or read someone saying, the persona of a character in Storybrooke is the opposite of what he or she was in the Enchtanted Forest, than I would expect Mary Margaret to be more of a spoiled former wannabe beauty queen, who probably would hate teaching children and blames live for not letting her get a better job. Charming would perhaps be casanova of Storybrooke, Red would be some wallflower and her Granny some bitter old widow, the scare of all kids in town. But that is not what they are or ever have been.
Guess some would disagree with my perception and resulting images. Can live with that.
My point is, there seems to be some different understanding here what opposite persona means. For me for example it’s a huge difference, if characters show some different and even opposite traits or if they have an opposite persona. Opposite persona in case of Mary Margarete / Snow would mean for me far more than what we’ve seen on the show, her turning into a very selfish and angry, bitter person. But we saw a person, who lost her resolutness maybe, her positive determination, but she was still basically some nice and caring person -and not just starting with Emma coming to town. Although there is some speculation of Snow White having been very different as child at first.
So I too think, AngieBelle described it well, what the curse did to them.
We got only a glimpse of Dark cursed Storybrooke Belle. What I found interesting when watching the first season final was, that she didn’t freak out when Jefferson told her to leave the cell and go look for Mr. Gold. She didn’t knew, who Jefferson was. nor had she any reason to trust him, but she followed his instructions. Jefferson didn’t tell her exactly how to find Mr Gold, but Belle found her way to his shop nevertheless. Not sure what to make of that. Could have been the curse weakening, so that she had already a bit of her courage back. But makes me wonder, how she will react now.
Guess she will be a very lost woman.
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Rumple couldn’t use the hat to look for Bae, because it only tranports between lands with magic, he said so himself (episode 2×05). Before the Dark Curse was enacted there was no magic in our world.
When Regina snatched the cursed apple from the Enchanted Forest, the hat only worked, because she sacrificed some magical “trinkets” and the ring of Daniel, just enough magic to get the hat going, to reach to the other site (the Enchanted Forest) and grab something small from there. Jefferson needed the time and place and asked Regina to guide the hat with her thoughts. Think we can conclude, that it is possible to kinda skip the door level when you concentrate your thoughts.
When Hook went through: Regina might have told him to go through the Looking Glas. We only see her opening the portal using the hat, the rest isn’t shown. Next time we see Hook he is already in Wonderland.
The Wraith, Emma and Snow: Well, by then magic had come to Storybrooke and Emma probably sparked Regina’s magic enough to make the hat work, this time enough magic to transport people between the lands. Must have worked simliar to what Regina did when she snatched the cursed apple, she concentrated her thoughts to guide the hat to create a connection directly to the Enchanted Forest, so the door level was in this case again kinda skipped. Let’s say in more or less emergency situations the hat works a little differently.
Yup, bit of fanwanking here. 🙄
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@Schmacky wrote:
“Planning your escape from Shawshank kid?” It’s my personal head canon that Emma makes pop culture references and no one gets them. Ever.
Agree as well. And something good in that scene.
other lines:
Belle: “I think it’s safer to stick to my books. They’re the only adventures I know have happy endings.”
Belle: “It’s called another language.”
(the scene was hilarious, what a bunch of blockheads)Belle:”You saved my life” Mulan:”And you ruined my hunt.”
Claude:”Wait, you’re a … Mulan: “Yeah, I know.”
(well, we have some badass women in this show)Rumple to Hook: “You take your little ship and sail unto you fall off the edge of the world.”
(talking of language: I love how they use archaic words)
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