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I debated that too but then thought it might be fair only because this is present day Emma we’re dealing with. She’s different from her 17 year old self. Back then they were cute and seemed happy but she’s been through a ton since then so it’s important to note what she feels NOW and how she responds to the two men in question in present day. Her language and body language and facial expressions in particular are extremely interesting.
*adds language on the show to meta list for hiatus rewatch* – since we’re having 2 mini-seasons + a hiatus, I’ll likely rewatch the entire show with the new information and see what I can pick up. I know some stuff has changed over time and the details to how they’re getting there may differ, but it’s still interesting to note what they do call back to given new information!
As for not including that beautiful look, we haven’t gotten there yet so sadly it does not yet count. It will soon though and we can add it to the list! (Hopefully over this hiatus I can snag a new icon and figure out my banner. I see so many lovely ones that, even if they’re not my OTP, are beautiful and I always feel very lacking in that department! I just can’t seem to pick which aspect of theme I want to go with and things have been crazy busy lately.
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Something more from tumblr. Not sure how to bring the images over grr! It’s beautiful though so please check it out and if any of you can tell me what I’m doing wrong that would be wonderful! Nothing like sprucing the place up with graphics that say so much!
http://buttercupsandhooks.tumblr.com/post/69647038660/life-is-made-up-of-moments-good-ones-bad-ones
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Preview strikes again! Didn’t see the lovely responses! (How do we do those @____things to make them show the person? I keep not being able to)
Jenna_b – Snow should know more than Charming. He was in a coma I think when Sidney’s article about Henry being born in jail was written for the paper but MM should know about it. Emma usually only hinted at things but MM as well as Snow had major reasons to think that Henry’s dad wasn’t a good guy. Then suddenly they meet him and poof, everyone’s pushing the Neal thing. So I’m not sure *exactly* what they know. Snow got a phone call from Emma FREAKING OUT in NY at the idea of Henry knowing about his dad so you’d think that would have some weight but I think Snow sees it as “this will make us one big happy family and allow all the bad stuff to disappear” as far as Rumple and Regina are concerned. Because Neal is Rumple’s son, having them all be united = Rumple thinking of them as family and not being against them anymore (and they’ve already made the strides with Regina). Her comments after that phone call in Manhattan were all about how it might help everyone get along. I’m really curious about the jail stuff though! I feel like they must not know that or they wouldn’t be so quick to push her in that direction at least without getting some answers about it first.
I know, people say that Hook left her too and he did! It was awful! I hated it! But you know what – Neal left her in there for HIS crimes after promising that they could be together forever which was after trying to leave her before that! He basically promised her the world and then up and left with no explanation and never came back (or planned to), whereas with Hook, she dealt the first blow by betraying him. He didn’t promise her anything other than to work with them to leave SB and she stopped him from being able to do that. He didn’t owe her anything for doing that, it was in retaliation, he had Cora breathing down his neck, and he was a villain, she should have known better. But Neal DID make her promises and she NEVER betrayed him in any way shape or form, so him leaving him there was MUCH MORE SCARRING for her than the random guy she just met who SHE LEFT FIRST. She tried to justify it and convince him to take it back by saying he would done exactly the same thing because she needed to believe that. She needed to believe that he would have done it too because she knew she screwed up and it wasn’t the honorable thing to do when he hadn’t given her reason to betray him other than being similar at times to her ex who did that to her. So they’re entirely different circumstances. She’s left him a couple of times or knocked him out and tied him up, he’s left her behind etc etc. Funny how Charming JUST reminded us that Snowing did’t start off so well either and in very similar ways to a lot of Hook and Emma moments. (Snow Falls & Tallahassee – the beanstalk half *swoon*)
rumplegoldfan – glad I could help. I was SO happy when Charming pointed that out after how Hook was torn to shreds. No scratch that, EMMA was torn to shreds because how dare she be interested in the pirate AT ALL or ever smile while she was on a mission to save her son. Never mind that you can’t have the switch turned on 24/7 or you will absolutely burn out. It’s IMPOSSIBLE. It’s why a lot of times actors will tell you that the best sets they’ve ever been on are the ones for the most depressing thing you’ve ever seen because they HAVE to balance it out with something. It’s just TOO MUCH to be that depressed or scared or whatever it is ALL THE TIME. Likewise we saw that occasionally the group had to stop and rest a bit. Should they not talk about anything other than Henry? They’d work themselves into a frenzy and PANIC 24/7 if they did that. They had their moments of worrying and falling apart, but they also found moments when they could balance that out with something and that’s ok. THAT’S HUMAN.
So I was thrilled when Charming pointed out that yes, their lives are insanely busy and there’s always SOMETHING that gets in the way of any relationship, especially when it feels like the world is falling apart with a new threat every which way they turn. But you can’t live like that. You can’t enjoy life if you let that pressure build and sometimes, you just have to find the moments that matter. The flickers of light in the darkness that give you something to fight FOR and to keep going. Emma may have needed some reminding of that, that it was OK to feel something and OK to not just be freaked out/scared/worried 24/7 even when things ARE real and ARE scary or worrisome. She showed that by using what he said when she was confronted with Pan saying he was Henry. She thought back to those crazy things that happened early on and connected with him because of a MOMENT that they shared.
Nobody wants to focus on the bad 24/7. SHIPPERS have been focusing on and working ourselves into frenzies over every little thing, but not everything about the show relates to that. Emma was on a very real mission, but she still had moments to break down, or to connect with her parents (which I heard nobody complain about fyi), and yes, moments with a certain captain as well. He helped her get through all of that bad stuff, just like Charming helps Snow.
That’s one of the many reasons they’re so perfect for each other! Like Snowing they find the moments that work for them and make it meaningful and memorable amongst the chaos. It’s why we have these little moments of interaction outside of just the mission. We got the hand wrapping and the tripwire on the beanstalk, and coconuts, rum, a KISS, a “When I win your heart and I will win it” etc etc during an important mission that Hook was 100% in as well as Emma. MOMENTS are how life means something. Every time Emma has a big moment where she lets herself feel “good” something comes along to ruin that, usually before she even gets to process it. She was feeling good when she kissed Hook and then went back to the mission but it doesn’t negate that it happened or that she felt that way.
No wonder she feels like everytime she lets herself be happy for a moment! Every time she’s “feeling good” or the fun is supposed to begin, something else happens and now it looks like even if/when we get the boys switched back (I’m assuming this happens soon I hope!) then Pan wants to enact a curse which conveniently stops her from dealing with her feelings once again (possibly – and likely. I doubt we’ll have her answer for sure this week, though hopefully by the end of S3). Don’t get me wrong I’d love it now but I don’t think we’ll get it. (Low expectations = greater surprise. I’d rather have the surprise than the disappointment!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Agreed. I think he’ll be more open to Hook possibly because he does see how much Hook genuinely loves Emma and what lengths he’s willing to go to for her (he never planned to get credit for saving Charming but he made sure that Charming knew he was right, that he did it for Emma, not for him and then Charming went on to elaborately thank him when he didn’t have to). In general, I think dads are MORE protective when they see someone that reminds them of themselves. They remember what they were like and don’t want their little girls anywhere near someone like that because they want to protect them (and he missed out on almost EVERYTHING with Emma!) He got to protect her once as a baby and he hasn’t been able to do a lot since.
He’s the more neutral of them though at least. He seems to just want her happy and let her figure that out for herself. He did go talk to her but I think that was more so that Snow wouldn’t since she is so pushy about it. This is something that Emma has to decide for herself. I would have been happier with him if he hadn’t made it obvious he was actually gonna take her there and just offering her a ride if she had changed her mind, but I think that since she is so much like both Snow & Charming that it makes sense. Even cursed Charming went to tell Snow that he couldn’t be with her!
I was surprised that Emma didn’t show up or call or something but then again, if she had it still would have paralleled CURSED!Snowing so perhaps that’s why they didn’t. If it really wasn’t about Neal at all, she would have made sure that he knew that instead of just leaving him there waiting. She KNOWS what it’s like to be left (and so does he). If she were worried about the stipulation that went with it, she would have found a way to show up even if she stormed in there worrying about Henry and pushing anything about them to the side for now. It would have been a HUGE parallel to real Snowing as well as specifically within the episode. Possibly even enough to make me panic since we spent the episode on what Snow wanted for her. But that’s not what we got. Like always, they make us think it’s Neal because Snow will say something, but like in the past, when we finally learn from Emma what’s going on, all is not what it appears. After all, when Snow was telling her not to worry about the kiss, she (and we) didn’t know how Emma REALLY felt about the idea he was alive.
So I’m way more interested in how Emma actually feels about things than what the other characters want us to believe. It makes sense for Snow, she doesn’t understand the situation Emma’s in. She’s with the father of her child. It makes sense for Henry or Rumple because they want Neal to be happy / Henry wants his parents together. Totally understandable. We haven’t seen him be able to say it again now that Tamara’s out of the picture, but it made what Hook was saying make total sense because Henry needs to know that Hook isn’t the problem. That it’s the issues that Emma already tried to stress when she first told him she wasn’t getting back together with Neal. If Henry can see that they’ve tried, or they’ve talked it out and BOTH say it’s not gonna happen, then Emma can move on to someone else. Henry’s big on the TL thing, he’ll understand. Especially since history won’t be repeating itself.
What’s so interesting though is it’s the characters who have no stake in anything and who haven’t been around for any of the BIG stuff (echo caves, private talks in the jungle etc) like Cora, Regina and Tink who have all basically said that Hook and Emma are together, they’re just not “together” yet. They SEE something and sometimes it gets in the way of their plans and sometimes it’s an annoyance but it’s there. They have no stake in it, but they see it, even without the knowledge of the caves or the kiss. Wasn’t there a thing about the early episodes of this season where feelings between a couple characters “wouldn’t be denied” and then we led up to the kiss? It’s not gonna be smooth-sailing. It never was. But they’ve built up enough to make it absolutely believable and over time even moreso. All the clues will have been there along the way and I can’t wait for A&E to be able to say “well if you go back and watch things like in ____ you’ll see ___” and say it was there from the start.
Also majorly looking forward to Emma being cutesy again and enjoying herself. She was more care-free as a teenager but her life was a lie then too. She has the Savior-meltdown because she can’t seem to get away from the bad stuff (like Snow) but she’s still finding the moments with Henry and Hook that are making it worth something, even if she’s afraid of admitting that. I LOVED her callback to what Charming said when it came to finding out if it was really Henry. It got her thinking about that, and I can’t help but wonder if it got her thinking about some other moments too!
I don’t think they’ll be quite as cutesy as Snowing but at the same time one of the things I love about Snowing is that they can’t stay away from each other and they steal a kiss or a look or hold hands whenever they can. I look forward to seeing Emma be that way too in her own way and she & Hook have issues staying away from each other for sure! (Look at how miserable they spent this entire episode. We had NOTHING between them other than her jumping to conclusions about Tink and looking upset). She had nobody believing in her about Henry, she COULD have gone to the diner to meet Neal and then tried to make it all about Henry but she didn’t even try because he hasn’t believed in her before. She DID try with Regina though who put her down but that’s to be expected. Why not push that with Neal? And then Hook was nowhere to be seen even though he was always around during NL (which makes it a big obvious glaring hole when the person you’ve spent 24/7 with is suddenly missing) and she’s used to him being there and supporting her and then poof, he disappeared. Plus this was when “the fun begins” or was supposed to, and he was MIA. The only person who believed in her completely wasn’t there, and she spent the episode sad and upset and not having anybody trust her and he spent it falling into a deep dark place because walking away, while perhaps the “right” thing to do because he was putting Henry first, was clearly the wrong thing for him personally and it took a toll on him. Just like David doing the “right” thing and going back to Kathryn made him miserable.
I swear David & MM got a TON of things wrong but their feelings for each shining through was all real Snowing and it HURT to watch them make mistake after mistake. They ended and fell apart because of the lack of BELIEF in each other, but their pull to each other was real, so much so that when David did the “right” thing in going back to Kathryn, what did MM do? Oh right, she slept with Whale. It was a MISERABLE time for cursed Snowing. It was awful. But it showed them that by trying to do the “right” thing, they weren’t happy and soon after that, they were drawn to each other again and that was about the last time that they were ever REAL Snowing but you get the idea.
They’ve been sooo quiet this week about everything other than JMO being super excited for the mid-season finale. I need info! I need context! I don’t know what to think right now and I’m afraid of another hiatus because it’s never good and is filled with so much hate for things that haven’t aired yet. I don’t think she’ll “make a choice” before the hiatus but at the same time it may look like it’s leaning one way or the other. I’m still completely cautiously optimistic though. I don’t think she’s quite ready yet and there hasn’t been time to officially shut things down/get closure – she just stood him up so far – but they have to talk and iron things out. On top of that she needs to talk to Hook about the whole Tink thing (and she will because she was jealous) and get some answers. The fact that she’ll want those answers shows it means something to her though. She’s already kinda gotten the answers from Neal and she’s now had a chance to tell him just how hurt she was. He hasn’t backed off yet, but her actions and words have been very telling. They will HAVE to talk, especially since she stood him up, but I’m not sure that she’ll have time to really truly make a decision unless it’s a heat of the moment, who do you run to when the world might be changing and you’ll lose everything thing but then, she’s said stuff like that before and then it didn’t quite mean the same thing afterwards.
So many things going on! I do feel like, based on the promo, Hook and Emma will be in a better place. Hook seems more like Killian again and less like that dreadful Hook mask he was wearing when he was falling apart. They seem intense and emotional but are standing super close and the way she’s looking at him… I have hope. They were both just so sad in this episode (and both said they were “fine” when they didn’t really mean it, but I hope that that’s the last we’ll see of the separation because they are so much better when they’re side-by-side or if they’re split off in different groups with the promise of meeting back up. Him just disappearing after being by her side for days and constantly relying on him, right when she needs someone to believe in her the most was just heartbreaking. They were “fine” but more like Freaked out, Insecure, Neurotic, and Emotional fine (I love the Italian Job, ok? It fit!)
Seriously strong parallel between Hook and MM with the going to get drunk and then hit on somebody who is sooo not right for you but doing it anyway. Similar to Graham too by going back to Regina after getting turned down by Emma even though he knew it wouldn’t help him at all.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Question: I’m loving this season of Once Upon a Time and was wondering if you guys had any spoilers about what’s coming up for Neal and Emma? I heard the first episode after the winter break is set in NYC. — Heather
Ausiello: We asked the Once creators about the midseason premiere, which airs March 9 and is titled “New York City Serenade.” But other than confirming that the Bruce Springsteen fan in him had a hand in coming up with that title, Adam Horowitz would only confirm, “There’s a lot of Emma in that episode, that is for sure.”
http://tvline.com/2013/12/10/true-blood-season-8-spoilers-lafayette-boyfriend/
Not sure how that answer connects to that question at all but thought I’d leave this here for people to speculate. Interesting indeed! Question was about Neal & Emma. Ausiello asked A&E about the midseason premiere (which wasn’t exactly the question though it does match the NY stuff cause some probably were expecting more N/E instead…) and then we hear lots of EMMA only which…doesn’t say much about the original question….but we do know we get all the Hook and Emma in NY stuff!
(Please be respectful over any celebrations though. It’s all open to interpretation until they finally definitively tell us on the show and we don’t want this place to turn into one of the “in your face” shipper war spots like “the wilds” as RG refers to them. We can all celebrate/love or hate whatever we want, just be respectful. We have a lot of wonderful people around here that just don’t see the same things we do.)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Charming, Charming, Charming! I think he leans more toward understanding the Hook thing than Snow will until it’s smack dab in front of her face. Seriously, until there’s some big swooping kiss right in front of her, I’m convinced she’ll keep pushing Neal (and maybe even after that unless said kiss breaks a curse or something because she just does not want to see it – which is funny cause as MM she could read Emma, and she’s been watching Emma and Hook for awhile now and is still blind as a bat). Charming on the other hand….he should be relating to Emma on so many aspects of this and they didn’t use anywhere near the conversation I thought they would!
I was expecting him to say he knows what it feels like to be the person in the center of a love triangle. He went through this as David with the Kathryn/MM stuff (even though he was cursed, he will remember these things) and I expected him to say something about regardless of obligations, follow your heart. You saw what it did with the whole Kathryn situation etc etc. Like…Charming should get it. On top of that, he’s had a “parent” (I use it loosely because of King George) tell him how to feel and who to be with and practically demand that he find a way to make that happen (oh hello parallel), but in the end he could’t stop himself from following his heart and he’s happier for it (and frankly so is everyone else that actually matters – cya George).
I’m not sure that his conversation with Emma was so much pushing her as trying to find out what was going on. He made it sound like he thought something was wrong with her because she didn’t show up….but he clearly wasn’t running around town like a chicken with its head cut off thinking the worst either. He’s learning how to deal with her too but he knows he’s not as pushy with Snow so in this case he was a million percent right in being the one to talk to her. Emma and MM were best friends and got each other and she would have been who Emma would have gone to, but now it’s more pushing Snow’s agenda than letting Emma think and react to anything for herself. We keep getting what Snow wants, but what’s going through Emma’s mind.
Emma said “It’s not about Neal it’s about Henry” and moved on from that. It was appeasing the biggest question that would get the most attention. Funny how when she says “It’s just a kiss” people buy into it but then “It’s not about Neal” is totally swept under the rug. She ALWAYS does this deflecting thing. She was worried about Henry (checking her phone cause he hadn’t called yet) and she went to some place special for them waiting for her little boy to get in touch with her. She didn’t go to the diner to see Henry’s father and voice her concerns though, did she? That lunch came with the “or I’ll stop bugging you” thing from Neal (2nd time he’s offered something like that and 2nd time she’s taken that deal), and she had a million reasons she could have shown up! It would have been an excellent parallel to David & MM if she had shown up even to say she couldn’t do that right now. (Funny how the perfect parallels keep stacking up and NOT used)
Charming didn’t really push either side, but he is on Snow’s side as much as possible (he doesn’t like being in the doghouse!) and it makes sense. Emma probably jumped to the conclusion that Charming would automatically want what Snow wants. Charming I think wants Emma to be happy and he’s either not sure what would make her happy or he’s trying to back off to balance out Snow who is, as always, a little pushy. She sees a chance of happiness in whatever way and takes it, no matter how much it screws up somebody’s life (remember how she was afraid that Regina would lose her mother just like she lost Eva and THAT’S why she told Cora about Daniel? Regina would have been SO much better off without Cora but Snow couldn’t understand that because she knew what it was like to lose her mother. In this case, Snow’s first love is Charming and she can’t fathom a world that he doesn’t exist in much less moving on from him, so she’s projecting that onto Emma).
Emma was clearly thinking certain things in that conversation with Charming though. She asked him if he thought having lunch with Neal was the right choice and he said “I don’t know if it’s the right thing to do” (I think that’s what he said) followed by a joke about whether Neal eats with his mouth open. Instead of just ending it there, Emma goes on to ask if Charming is pushing her toward Neal to keep her away from Hook and once again, he jokes with her to change the subject. Charming really doesn’t know what will make her happy and that’s what he wants. But I do think he’s on the thing with Snow about at least going and figuring things out for herself and not even doing it for Neal. (And they do need to talk at some point).
When Neal asked Emma to begin with, he said he wanted a chance to talk and she said “Isn’t that what we’re doing right now?” which usually means…”why do we need to bother with that?” She had a bittersweet smile on her face and she knows that they need to talk and he is being really nice and sweet right now and left it open-ended, but she didn’t show up. She knew what clauses were attached to not showing up, and she chose not to go. Snow can’t accept that choice and we haven’t actually heard from Neal yet, but we know that Charming had to drag her back and even then she wasn’t all “you’re right! I need to get there right now, can you drive me?” Her last comment that we saw before arriving at the diner was “You sure you aren’t trying to keep me away from Hook?” which implies that he might NEED to because that’s the only way it’s gonna happen.Which of course was quickly followed by her stopping at an inopportune time to jump to conclusions about Hook and Tink and look visibly upset.
She was supposedly on her way to a date with Neal that she wasn’t in any rush for and had to be dragged to in the first place (even though it came with the stipulation that if she doesn’t show he’d back off), and she was more worried about Hook and Tink (while a woman was screaming in terror and being killed down the street no less).
Sadly nobody else saw that of course but I can’t wait til she gets a chance to talk to Tink or Hook about it. She definitely had the “I’ll deal with you later” look on her face and I love that every time she sees Hook with Tink she gets upset. It’s subtle, but she did NOT like Tink showing up in the first place and now she’s running out of Granny’s with Hook? They need to chat. Pronto.
Thankfully Emma and Hook always find a way to have their “moments” amid the chaos so I’m sure they’ll find a way as per usual (a la Snowing). Charming told her to appreciate the moments and not get caught up in all the bad things that happen (just like Snow), but he doesn’t seem to realize that her moments, the ones where she’s feeling good and can breathe and smile amongst the chaos that is her life have been with Hook. NL was a series of those moments. People got upset because she wasn’t focusing 24/7 on Henry if she was having “moments” with Hook but that’s exactly what Charming was telling her – to find the good within the bad and embrace those moments. I’ve lost track of how many “moments” we’ve had this season, but there have been a TON of them. And they had Emma smiling and happy and feeling loved and believed in and embracing every part of herself and “feeling good” when she kissed Hook etc. Those are the moments that come to mind for Emma in these types of situations. First Henry, now Hook (aka: her true loves).
Lots more to meta on but will stop here for now. LOVE LOVE LOVE the graphics that keep coming up! Lots of Princess Bride feels already but seeing those side-by-side I just…*feels* Also um…the only difference is that Westley is using his left hand but Hook only has a hook so isn’t and I just gave myself a ton of feelings and will now go sit in the corner as penance and sob because it’s just too sad. (Can’t wait for context on those looks though. Intense feelings!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I need to start writing down what page this is on when I disappear for the night! It’s flying by! Love all the graphics, and I’ll catch up with the thread when I get back (running some errands for a bit).
I will say this though – I did feel bad for Neal. He clearly wasn’t happy, he was just stood up and feels like his chances are running out and it is sad for him. I really like him now that I’ve learned to reconcile that everything I don’t like about him is directly in relation to his relationship with Emma. When it’s friends / co-parents I enjoy their interaction and everything else for him, relationship with Henry, Rumple/Belle, etc etc I really like and even sometimes get emotional over.
It’s easy to sound hateful when we’re pointing out the hypocrisy in things with regards to what he wants vs what he’s done but for me, it still boils down to specifically his relationship with Emma. I do want him to find HIS TL someday and I don’t think that whoever that is is somehow awful and deserves a man whose a monster. I think he can be very sweet at times and I don’t think he’ll make the same mistakes. I just think that with their history he’s wrong FOR EMMA and that would be true whether Hook was in the picture or not.
I really liked the IDEA behind SwanFire and at the end of S1 I was all for it. It’s how that idea played out that I take issue with and what it’s paralleled to etc while building up the beauty that is CS which won my heart instantly. Looking at it objectively through my personal filters, I see things being built up and matching TL stuff for CS but others won’t see what we see and vice versa until it is plain as day and even then we’re told it’s OOC. We ALL look closer at the characters we love. We care about them so want to defend them and believe in them and all last season we saw the Hook mask and recognized back on the beanstalk there was way more to his story, but for those inclined to not want him as a romantic rival, it’s easy and COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE for them to only recently be seeing that maybe he’s not so bad, even if they don’t want him with Emma. Either way is not a crime.
I was having a lovely chat with Angie about this on twitter actually. BOTH GUYS are good and even though we only see ONE as being the right option for Emma (and frankly, only one IS the right option whichever way it goes because TL and all that), but it doesn’t mean that the guy getting left out doesn’t deserve to find HIS TL whoever that may be and I fully intend to be able to root for that because I’ve loved all the TL couples so far (though some to a lesser degree only because we’ve barely seen them but they’ve been cute).
I really hate the mentality that somehow because we don’t him with Emma that she’s up on this pedestal so high that whoever is shown as his TL will never be as good or something. Hello – it’s TRUE LOVE. That means finding the one you’re SUPPOSED TO BE WITH, not “settling” for someone else (and we saw how badly that worked for Hook trying with Tink – I promise I’ll get to my metas sometime soon!). It literally means that somebody will find a way to move on from Emma and then meet somebody new.
Just imagine watching Rumple’s love life play out in real time. Milah…then Cora….but then eventually we get Belle and that torture and torment goes away and it’s BEAUTIFUL! It doesn’t mean Emma is awful for not choosing whoever and that they’re doomed for the rest of eternity. I will be very disappointed if either guy ends up alone, even if I feel that it’s been written in a way showing only one can move on.
/end rant. LOVE the graphics and keep it up! I know not everyone scours tumblr so it’s nice to bring some beautiful things to this thread sometimes! Back later and hopefully with some of my metas unless they’ve been covered by the time I catch up with the thread!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Interesting theory Stelio! I like it! (I’m seriously lost at this point and coming up with a gazillion conflicting ways that things might play out. Hope we get a better idea so we can make sense of it soon! March is forever away!)
Welcome to any and all CSers, even those who are lurking (we know you exist! *waves hello*)
Still working on consolidating some of these metas but wanted to pop in and say hi to those who recently joined us! Can’t wait to hear more opinions on things!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Page 300! Wow! Especially considering that tons of the posts here are humongous (I am most definitely to blame for many of them – I’ve even broken the character limit before, sad but true!) which means that we have a ridiculous amount of stuff. Incredible!
Welcome aboard Jennifer! Always nice to have new shipmates join us! (It’s especially nice after a night like last night which consisted of staying up ridiculously late trying to defend Hook!)
The scarf thing – if I’m not mistaken, the scarf was kept in the Sheriff’s office along with Hook’s hook (so she kept it in the drawer with his hook in her office. Not remotely sentimental. He didn’t ask for it back, she hadn’t tried to give it to him, it was soaked in blood and rum….yet lovingly locked away with his hook). I *think* he took it back along with his hook. I’m not positive though. In Good Form he covered his face with something that I imagine could have been that (it was a nice nod to Princess Bride with the face covering thing and the climbing the rock wall with a rope etc etc) but it was never actually explained how he got it back or if that was it. Personally I’m hoping he made note of both items being there and took them back as they were his, but I love the idea that she didn’t get rid of it or give it back. Even if she had though, they never actually made a big deal about her giving it back meaning it wasn’t an important thing even though we saw her hand back the swan necklace (and she’s sentimental and keeps stuff so I think she kept the scarf, though we never saw mention of him retrieving it).
Working on a variety of metas & going to try to just spread them out a bit. I’ve been making a list of things I want to address though so hopefully I’ll get around to those shortly.
LOVE all the wonderful graphics and gifsets! I notice so many more things now just from staring at beautiful gifs or pictures! Plus there are always moments that others remember that I don’t which make for perfect parallels!
LOVED the Ship Shape update on our couple! 1 – the fact that they chose Emma and Hook to explain and 2 – on top of everything that happened, pointing out how OBVIOUS it is that Emma was irked by that moment.
I mean really, that moment was NOT the time to be focusing on whether someone she “doesn’t care about” was potentially hooking up with someone else. If anything, she might have cast an eyebrow raise or been relieved hat he wasn’t gonna pursue her anymore or SOMETHING. But instead they actually had her stop, look hurt, actually ASK if that was what was going on (which means her mind IMMEDIATELY LEAPT to that conclusion etc etc. Why should she care if she’s not interested? We got a lot of that from Neal/Tamara saying Emma was jealous and not just hurt on principle (it was both and it’s completely easy to be hurt and jealous even if you never want the guy back – trust me, I’ve been there) but it’s somehow impossible that she might get jealous over Hook? *sigh*
So it was refreshing to see someone who is usually in the know on things to say how obvious it was. That scene served no purpose whatsoever. They could have come out and all started running and been a part of it and sent on their missions and it would have made complete sense. Emma visibly stopped and got concerned and looked hurt and actually asked it. Yeah it was totally nothing.
Poor thing – she spent all morning waiting for a phone call from Henry (checking her phone when Charming got to her), and nobody believed something was wrong and thought she was just jealous of Regina, and Neal’s asking her for a date even though she didn’t even really seem to want to set up a talk much less put those parameters on it (and then didn’t show), and her parents are pushing for her to go back to him to the point that Charming goes to pick her up to take her to the diner himself, and she’s all “why is everyone pushing me to Neal? Is it to keep me away from Hook?” (paraphrase) which is yet another one of those unnecessary moments. They could have had a beautiful heart-to-heart about alllll the reasons Snowing felt like she owed it to herself more than Neal to go and talk to him. (She does in a way – she needs answers and closure on the past before she’ll be able to fully move on and embrace ANY romantic relationship). That would have been fine. But they through in her asking Charming if he was trying to keep her away from Hook. The wording I just….they really can’t see that she might be interested in him, can they? They’ve accepted that Hook does care for her but they can’t pick up on all the signals she’s throwing out that she might like him too (like, I don’t know, practically jumping him in NL and then running to MM to tell her about it. It’s like Graham again only she didn’t get the memo this time).
Lots more to say but going to leave them for more concise metas. I’ll check them off the list one by one as we wait with baited breath for more information about 3×11! I need CONTEXT. The promo look just killed me, and now we have some pics that make no sense whatsoever and future episodes that don’t add up with what we’ve been told yet etc etc. I need context!
Love how excited JMO is about the episode though. She tends to pick the same ones we do for big stuff and if she’s excited, I’m excited. Good things for Emma I hope and with the look in the promo with them being so close and having genuine emotion I just…I need to know what’s happening! Hopefully she teases some stuff along the way or we get word about something that has some context to it.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
