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The thing that bugs me about it is that NealFire has no right to be smug about Emma potentially still caring. It was bad enough with the whole David is married but drawn to MM but they were cursed. NealFire has known all along who he is, he knew that August would be sending him a postcard when Emma was available again (well when the curse was broken but same idea), he didn’t go to SB and instead was off getting engaged somewhere, is still engaged, has introduced her to Emma (although awkwardly) and is still being coy about the whole thing. He didn’t have to get involved with Tamara. He could have pined away waiting for a postcard and then come into town saying he loved her all along and this was just what had to happen. When she confronted him at the bar and opened up about her feelings in the past (including saying she LOVED him, he never even said that he loved her back! He just carried on with the fate and destiny stuff).
He chose this life (away from Rumple, which meant away from Emma, and apparently with Tamara…) and then he has that smug little smile about her possibly being upset with him over it. Grr. (I like him a lot more now than I did…but that point always bugs me that he knew everything and could have come to find her but didn’t. Did he seem pleased that she showed up? Well YES…until he realized that his dad was part of the deal.) NealFire (Pan?) you have a long way to go mister. You are an engaged man and flirting with your ex and then having to say “it’s complicated” that he’s engaged (which was totally only said because now it IS complicated, you just spent 2 days flirting with your ex and making her think that you guys might have a little family now that you want to be in your son’s life and now a fiancee pops up outta nowhere. He MADE it complicated because he wasn’t up front about it.)
I loved Bae as a kid so I’m hoping he can sort all of this out. And I do love the Neal / Emma moments, I do, they’re mostly sweet (even though I love CaptainSwan moments too, yes you can appreciate both!)…but then I look at them closer and get very aggravated with how smug he looks about it all. It shows that they did care about each other in the past and they’ve got a lot to work out and still have some feelings but they don’t KNOW each other in the present day or for the past 11 years or w/e it is at this point. They just still have those feelings they did when they were younger. Their lives have both changed drastically and with that amount of time and other issues they need to get to know each other NOW and then see if there’s anything there.
He can hope all he wants but at the end of the day Emma knows that he knew about all of it, abandoned her in jail, and as annoyed as she will hopefully be with August someday she’ll know that Neal had the option to come find her the moment the curse was broken and confess all and say he did what he did out of love…and instead was off avoiding her because of his dad and getting engaged to someone else. That does not scream love to me. Coward sure, like father like son, but he CHOSE this path. He may be nice and sweet but Emma’s right about the hurtful side. He makes bad choices and apparently hasn’t stopped making them…yet.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantHmm. Is it possible that after she married Henry and had Regina that Rumple went back into her life in some way. I maintain that the reason he asked for her child is that he saw at least enough into the future to know that it was her kid who enacts the dark curse. I guess he assumed that it was his kid or that he would be the one teaching her or something.
Henry knew later on because he tells Regina that a man from Cora’s past is the one she needed to see about learning magic, but didn’t Rumple once say that he knew Regina when she was “more portable”?? Doesn’t that mean that he came in to check on them at least once, and maybe taught Cora something new at that time / gave her the spellbook?
It would seem weird since he was so hurt but it’s either that or we just never saw him giving her the spellbook in and amongst her other short lessons and then the Regina line would still have to be after. Did he say he SAW her or HELD her when she was more portable? He could have sneaked in to watch at a royal event or something but I was thinking he said held. I remember the hand motions but can’t remember if it was to show she was a baby or if he really held her as one. I definitely need to do a season rewatch next hiatus to gear up for the finale.
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MysteryKat25Participant*hands RumplesGirl a cookie*
You get high praise for being able to listen to the podcast and take their word for it (even when they’re specific you won’t believe the tweet rants they get about why they’re WRONG about their own characters). We have to just trust them and go with it wherever it may lead.
In a way it’s actually almost better…it explains why he was so against believing Belle and it shows just how bad one thing was vs how good he is with Belle. At the end of the day as a RumBeller it’s clear that they’re right for each other and any romance that happened in the past is just that for them…the past. For Rumple there is clearly no other and that is a beautiful thing.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantMeghan just tweeted this: Thanks all!Vry excited 4 #Intelligence but fret not #littlereds..I predict we haven’t seen the last of #red or #RubyandtheBigBlueCoat #OUAT
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MysteryKat25ParticipantIn a way it makes sense (though it is weird that ABC is somehow involved with the CBS show). After all Josh Holloway was a big star for ABC on Lost and now they’re got Meghan Ory as well. Maybe there’s some contract work at play where they were under contract with the network for various years after but the CBS team for this show reallllly wanted them on and agreed to split it (probably more for Josh’s sake since Meghan was just brought in). Might have been cheaper to just split the profits rather than buy him out of his contract.
I don’t know if anything like that existed and Lost has been over for awhile now but I know some networks do contracts with the actors and they keep throwing various pilots at them to make use of those contracts. It wouldn’t surprise me if the CBS show just really wanted Josh and Josh wanted to do it and this was the solution. If that’s the case it opened the door for Meghan to join as well simply because it would hypothetically be easier to get her for a bit on Once if it’s somewhat within the network.
I swear actors get praise on Once and then disappear – poor writers; they don’t want to recast and are having problems getting various actors when they want them so have to write around stuff. Understandable but I’m sure it’s frustrating for them, especially when fans are yelling we haven’t seen their favorite characters even though they’re not available. It’s not H&K’s fault, I’m sure ABC wouldn’t let them put every single actor who has ever appeared under contract for the show and I’m sure the actors say hey, I’m gonna go do this, I’ll try and come back if you need me.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantLast season they wrapped it up by bringing us back around to where we started FTL-wise so I would be shocked if they just left the Aurora / Mulan / Phillip thread hanging in the wind. It was hinted at (as many of us guessed) that Phillip can be saved so I’d be disappointed if we didn’t address that this season unless there’s a good reason for it. We haven’t seen them in ages and probably won’t until their story somehow overlaps with the people in SB. Perhaps if people are right and something big happens forcing the SB people to leave town, maybe some will go back to FTL and run into Aurora / Mulan and help out
In the meantime have faith that the writers know they left threads and they’re pretty good about eventually getting back to them.
That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of things from season 1 still…but I’ve seen them asked about various threads that I’ve been more concerned about and they’ve said that’s still in play and we might see it soon. Granted the last time I screamed “Dr. Whale isn’t the ONLY one we don’t know, what about Billy the mechanic???” and then got an answer…well, you know how that turned out for Gus Gus. So in some cases maybe it’s better left hanging for awhile.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI’m pretty sure that Eva / Leopold are far away from Xavier / Henry. King George could have been connected possibly sure. But since Regina is Henry’s daughter…a) Leopold would have recognized Henry, Cora, and Regina and b) I’m pretty sure Leopold would not have married his NIECE. Hopefully they will clear that up on the Wed podcast.
It’s easy to think of crazy theories and connect people after first thoughts and then realize that we know more about them than we think we do and it wouldn’t work because of reason a b or c. This is one of those times.
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MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
@tombo671 wrote:
I think Hook and Regina will team up again now. Since Hook – hates Rumple and Regina – Hates Snow again….Both Rumple and Snow are family now so logically it would be suited for Hook and Regina to team up.
I think this is a very likely scenario, but I also wonder if it will last the whole season. They’ve been using Hook a lot as just the guy-seeking-revenge; they need to develop him and since we're heading to Neverland at the end of the season they need to do it soon, or they risk Hook becoming a cliche.
Agreed though I think some of that was strictly because of Colin’s leg injury, not necessarily where they had originally planned him to be at this point.
The writers were all excited after Tallahassee and the reactions they got to the characters and said they were loving what they saw as much as (some of us) were and then he kinda took a backseat after the mid-season finale. I’m hoping that we get more of the side from that episode in the near future, or at least by the end of the season.
As for who Hook could team up with….Regina may be ticked at him for going after Rumple when she & Cora didn’t want him to. If he hadn’t, Cora’s candle would never have been used on her and Regina would still have her mother. It should make for interesting alliances along the way. Perhaps lots of “enemy of my (current) enemy is my friend (for the time being)” scenarios will ensue. Can’t wait to see where everybody falls in that!
I like that Emma is now considering Rumple family (must be tough for her given her history / current situation with NealFire) but she never exactly lets Hook die either (chained him up but made a deal with Anton – still don’t know how he got the bean since Anton is alive), hid him in the hospital from Rumple, and while she owed Rumple a favor it was more the “if I stay in town I’m gonna kill Hook” thing that made her go to NY because she felt she had already done him more than enough favors. She can’t let Regina die because of Henry and she tried to help her at the beginning of the season which got her sucked into present-day FTL. Emma’s a good person who doesn’t realllly want anybody to die except maybe the ones who realllly deserve it and even then she ends up protecting them for one reason or another.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantProbably that she has to choose and we just won’t see her often / they’ll have to plan in advance when they need a lot of time with her and schedule it accordingly.
I want it to do well (it’s about time Sawyer was back on TV) and I’m happy for Meghan but…what does that do for Once? Apparently OUAT is a star-maker cause our actors keep getting taken to projects of their own with bigger roles. I’m sure she checked with people about it since she is a regular this season and that they came to some agreement I hope…
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MysteryKat25ParticipantNot sure if this has been mentioned or not but I was reminded that Neal had a woman’s bowling trophy in his apartment at the beginning of the season. Might this be Tamara’s? (Not that I think a bowling trophy would help us decipher if she has a FTL identity or is just good at fitting in in the real world, just thought I’d point it out. It explains why he had that particular item….unless there’s some random bowling fairy tale I’m not familiar with of course!)
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