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@SpinningGold wrote:
10-3 for Gold. Hookers, where are you?
Probably trying to avoid getting our heads ripped off. It’s dangerous around here! 😛
Personally I love them both. I tend to be a bit more vocal about Hook but only because he gets attacked a lot (I see way more in him than just a pretty face and a nice voice!).
That being said I really do love them both, why must I choose?? They’re both driven by love and have done horrible things in the name of it but have potential to turn around if the right person can access that little piece of humanity they still have so as much as I love Hook I really am torn about this. Hoping that once we see more backstory others are more torn as well (we’ve seen way more Rumple so it makes sense to feel more for him at this point as many do).
So…a vote for both? Or they just cancel each other out or what?
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@Gypsy wrote:
Ruth said the pendant could predict the sex of an unborn baby….it would swing N/S for a boy and E/W for a girl.
When she held the pendant up it didn’t swing, denoting that Snow was not pregnant.Ruth’s exact words:
Ruth: My mother gave this to me when I was pregnant. She said it was spelled by a gypsy to predict the sex of your first-born, even before you’re with child.
The pendant wasn’t a pregnancy test indicator, it was purely a gender indicator.
Good catch! That would certainly make much more sense showing Snow that it was possible / would definitely happen. I didn’t really love the idea of Lake Nostos being QUITE that powerful but couldn’t think of another explanation since I clearly remembered it moving. I guess I just assumed that it wouldn’t be able to tell such a thing until there was actually a baby to use it on but I guess it can! Perhaps the pilot thing was just a coincidence (or I guess technically by then she could have been, since they were already married). Haven’t watched Lady of the Lake in awhile and didn’t remember that quote, just that it eventually moved. Sounds like a season 2 rewatch is in order sometime soon.
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Phee –
I could totally see that happening as I did notice that in Tallahassee as well. I try to keep an open-mind til we actually see stuff but as a huge Hook fan (who was attempting to not show too much of a bias for once since the usual argument is just that I must think he’s hot and therefore not be able to think straight) I could definitely see that.
It would certainly make for some wonderful Bae inner-angst depending on what he knows or thinks he knows and who at that point he hates more. Would also be very cool if he and Hook do have more of a friendship than hatred. Given Bae’s past with Rumple, he may full well side with Hook and not blame him at all. Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out for sure. Neverland should be amazing and I’ve been anxiously awaiting it for ages.
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I’m still thinking that he landed here, was taken to Neverland for awhile (perhaps as a Lost Boy if not Peter himself) and that’s how he avoided the aging thing. It starts him in a land without magic, and we know Peter traveled from time to time and took people back with him.
He could easily have been visiting our world when the curse was enacted and he couldn’t get back so had to adjust, started aging etc. If this is the case, it may be that the one thing that unites him and his father is Hook (depending on how Neverland is portrayed here, we don’t know yet but typically Peter / Lost Boys have issues with Hook) and then pile on all the Milah drama they may actually have a reason to work together for a bit, regardless of how angry Bae is bound to be with Rumple.
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Gypsy –
The way I understood it was that the water restored what was taken away including (I guess?) restoring Emma. It seemed weird to me too (I guess I need to look at the wording from King George about what the potion was capable of – preventing any future pregnancies or cancelling out in progress ones as well – though his knowledge could be limited as well) but in that clip from the end of the episode Snow was upset and about to have to tell Charming they couldn’t have the family he wanted. She almost refused the necklace and then it started swinging which means that she was pregnant at the time. It didn’t move before when Ruth tried to give it to her because it was after the potion but before she drank the water.
Not sure the extent of the powers of water from Lake Nostos but that was my understanding of the episode. It explains Snow’s change of being upset and not wanting the necklace to being at peace and knowing things were alright even though it does seem very strange. As I said before it was very subtle but she does put her hands on her stomach after Charming throws the sword at the Evil Queen in the pilot.
I doubt much time has passed between the 1st wedding and the 2nd, but it definitely appears that she was pregnant in Lady of the Lake since the necklace worked at the end (after she drank the water). Perhaps it has something to do with Emma having magic? (Besides being the product of true love, she’s kinda a miracle baby if this is what they meant to imply with Snow drinking the water and the necklace working immediately after that but not before).
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I need to rewatch but didn’t it eventually move and she told Lancelot what the gender was (but didn’t tell Charming as there were more important things to deal with right then and it explained why he thought it was a boy in the pilot before Snow said the name was Emma?) It didn’t move when she tried it *before* she had some of the magic lake water that would restore what was lost from that stupid potion (King George *shakes fist*), but it did move later. That’s what I’m remembering anyway. Good excuse for a rewatch in a bit either way.
Edited to include link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8kLeiNZKlg
Snow was about to tragically tell Charming that they couldn’t have children when he tries to give her his mother’s necklace and tells her what it’s supposed to do but the thing starts swinging again before Snow can say anything and Snow knows that everything will be just fine (Charming even assumes it’s a boy in the clip, but Snow knows better).
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There were a LOT of A names as well. Weren’t all of Ariel’s sisters / Anton’s brothers named something starting with A?
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Well I was just saying that we know in 2×03 that she already is at the time of the first wedding (and knows the gender as well). She isn’t showing in the bigger wedding from the pilot but she does have her hand over her stomach at the end right after Charming throws his sword at the EQ. (It was very, very subtle, so much so that I never noticed it til after seeing Lady of the Lake).
We’re not sure how much time (though not much) passes between Lady of the Lake and the wedding. They had to take back the kingdom and destroy EQ’s hold on them so that she would turn to the dark curse and show up at the wedding to announce it, but it’s a smaller amount of time between the later events.
I would hazard a guess that Cinderella’s wedding is soon after this (as Snow wasn’t showing yet) which would explain why Snow goes into labor only a little bit before Cinderella (poor Ashley!). Cinderella & Thomas’ story may have played out almost parallel to the start of Snowing, as we don’t have any crossover references until Cinderella’s wedding where Snow wasn’t showing either.
The only point I was trying to make was that the time gap is a little bit closer for the later events and probably not quite as long (though maybe only by a little) as the 9 month time frame you gave. However it is a good guideline as it is clearly not more than that so that’s the maximum it could be. I keep going back and forth on how many events had to happen between the time she found out and everything it took to take back the kingdom before they got married so it just depends on how many things they want to cram in there. Some people don’t show for awhile.
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It wasn’t actually 9 months (we saw evidence to the contrary in Lady of the Lake 2×03) but it was within a few months definitely. I agree with those who have said that she had it once before, never thought she’d use it, traded it to her only friend (frenemy) and then went to get it back on the night of the Snowing wedding from Maleficent (we need more story on her!).
Then somehow it took at least a few months for her to either figure out how to do it and then need Rumple’s last minute help, or for Rumple to get imprisoned so she could find him (maybe she just had issues tracking him down for a bit? I’d have to look but I don’t think she’s wearing the same clothes when Henry Sr gives her the idea to ask Rumple and when she actually goes to see him so it might not be linearly – unless she just felt the need to change for the occasion and not just into a rat).
I’m interested to see some of that timeline explored a bit more just because there are definitely some gaps in it, but it does make more sense than it at first appears to.
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I think the trolling is regarding all the threads lately that just try to rile up Hook fans about is the actor ok, is the character leaving etc etc (it’s gotten old, fast).
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just be respectful about it.
I wouldn’t call the thread title here trolling as the poster did have something they wanted to express that was at least legitimately character and show driven rather than scare tactics for fans of a character, it’s just an offensive title directed at shippers. I have a feeling this thread was more “it’s icky to like them because” and fully expected everybody to agree and stop liking CaptainSwan. It wasn’t *completely* addressed at the shippers, but it certainly comes across that way, especially when nothing is cut and dried in this show, and as long as there’s no blood relation it really isn’t as bad as it’s made to sound here. Complicated / weird, sure, but what on this show isn’t?
There are fans of every single character / pairing imaginable on this show. Not everyone will love or hate the same things everybody else does. No need to attack people for an aspect of a show we all (supposedly) love that they like that you don’t.
I’ve stayed away from this thread for awhile because I do find it a little offensive but not in the same way the true trolling threads were. It’s just annoying to tell other people that they’re disgusting for liking something. I prefer to have an open mind and enjoy a lot of the characters / ships rather than bash other people for liking something but maybe that’s just me. It’s always easier to express hatred than love I guess, but the anti-Hook and anti-CaptainSwan SHIPPERS has been very annoying lately.
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