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Thanks WR! It is beautiful and I agree – open to either ship. Thanks for sharing!
Wow that’s a lot of votes! Regardless of what happens, I think we did a great job for a ship that isn’t even completely official (as in actually together) like the others!
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Interesting! He really doesn’t narrow it down, does he? Just the second half of the season. So cryptic!
On the bright side we got full words so no having to guess what the other half might be. There are gaps obviously, and hopefully we have a better idea by the end of 3×11 / promo for 2nd half but at least we have full words? Now to figure out what they mean…
Which color is which again? It’s in green so…what does that mean?
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Interesting! I’m extremely curious who she’ll be. I’m inclined to agree though that they did say “iconic villain” so I’m not sure about the idea of turning someone like Glinda evil unless she’s both? My brain hurts.
I am inclined to think it might have something to do with Oz though because of the wording in a lot of the articles. It definitely sounds like she’ll be featured in the promo for the second half of the season though.
Not sure how any of the “iconic villains” sound like they’re going to be worse than Peter and since it’s coming straight off the Neverland arc it needs to be something big. That’s the one hesitancy I have against Cruella because I’m not sure what her story might be that would stretch several episodes.
Then there’s the fact that it’s likely she shows up in 3×13 which is called “Witch Hunt” so I really am leading more toward Oz right now.
More on Charming’s family….well we are supposed to be filling in some more gaps on the family tree. Unless Snow has twins, I imagine at least one character will be already related to someone and Charming would make sense. We know very little about his dad or what happened to him (supposedly died but we have very very little to go on with that), and other than Ruth and James, we know so little about his family to begin with. He never knew his brother, we don’t know how old he was when his dad died etc. I wonder if we’ll get more of Ruth in a flashback of some kind and how she connects to everything. We know so little about her as well except that she got her special pendant from a gypsy.
Perhaps over this hiatus I’ll get around to reading the Oz books. They’ve been public domain for awhile so they can do basically whatever. They just can’t use stuff from the movie (which is different from the book) because that’s MGM stuff. (It’s why I was so annoyed that Neal mentioned ruby slippers because Jefferson only said slippers, and in the book they’re silver – they can’t use the red ones. It was a throwaway line to give a nod to what he meant but they won’t be able to use the red ones).
We should definitely know who she is in the promo but if she is someone from Oz, I imagine they’ll take advantage of using a lot of references from the books for her arc since it’ll be something most aren’t familiar with. They love to make us do homework, don’t they? 😉
We’ve had so many references to Oz stuff before that I hope we get it sometime soon! I’m pretty sure we won’t be sending a group to Oz, but if she’s in the EF and they somehow end up there, or if she  was pulled over with the curse, then she’d be in their area and we’d get flashbacks for her story that are actually in Oz so that could be awesome.
We know that Regina has some idea about Oz stuff because she mentioned that too much magic can turn one’s skin green, and Jefferson was sent to Oz by Rumple to fetch the slippers and brought back an orb instead, but I’m curious as to what is still there, what it’s history is, etc etc. as well as when it all takes place in her story. If she IS the wicked witch of the west, how was she not defeated if Dorothy had already used the slippers to leave? So many questions!
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At the end of the day, it was still the only one that made it from OUAT, and regardless we ARE the winners because we have our ship, whether the world at large loves it more than any of those others or not.
I’ll be very interested to see what happens in future years once CS is more established. We were up against some couples that have been a huge deal for years and are very popular. (I’m sure there’s some overlap too for some people which causes them to either not vote or split their time between them which doesn’t exactly help but you’re entitled to love more than one thing).
Hate that, as always, cheating is rampant but not much we can do about it except hope for the best. I was shocked when I saw how far in front those two were so it doesn’t really surprise me. It’s just awful for everyone else who actually put in the time.
Considering we are going up against established couples, I think we did amazingly well, regardless of the outcome! Just think of all the future years we’ll see them up there too! We consistently make the polls for things even though we’ve had ONE kiss and people are still hung up on the idea of a love triangle. Imagine what will happen once that choice is made and we get even more wonderful moments! 🙂
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OOoh, great connections Phee! That would definitely be an interesting way to combine things!
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I think overtime they’ll learn each other’s stories. We know that Emma knows at least a little bit about the events in Good Form since Charming told her about Hook’s brother Liam and that they were here once and Pan tricked him and that he died from the Dreamshade so she has some vague idea that that might be a big part of why he is so closed off to most people.
She wouldn’t know the details but it’s reminiscent of their scenes on the beanstalk. Hints at her being afraid to trust because of a past love, hints at him wanting revenge for more than just the cutting off of his hand (Emma noticed the tattoo and he reacted differently to it, something that was brought up again when his secret was revealed since she alone knew how much Milah meant to him) etc etc. They know bits and pieces, enough to read each other pretty well most of the time, but we haven’t had any indication that they’ve actually verbally connected the dots yet.
It’s why some of the “reveals” between them of their history I don’t expect to be such big things. It’s mostly stuff that they’ll have put together in their minds a bit before that, and it’ll just be confirmation that those pieces fit where they imagined they did. Much like Hook realizing who it was that hurt Emma so long ago and shut her off from letting herself love and trust when he learned who Henry’s dad is. Emma has had many hints about Milah and when she learns who she was (I’m assuming she’ll actually learn this at some point, it has to be brought up eventually and I’m kinda annoyed that Rumple and Bae haven’t talked about it once, especially when Neal was still furious with him), that it’ll just be one of those moments where it takes her a second to compute it like it does with all the family tree branches she wasn’t aware of, and then it’ll be a dawning moment of “of course” because his prior comments will make a heck of a lot more sense now (like him saying that Bae got his drawing skills from his mother).
I’d love for Hook to tell her more about his Navy days and I bet we’ll get some of that eventually. I think it’ll come from the CaptainCharming bond though because he’ll finally have good leaders to serve and can bring that stuff up about how much it means to him to be serving someone honorable.
I’ve always loved that with some characters we hear about the “right” thing to do and then we have people like Charming and Hook that talk about the “honorable” thing to do. Quite often these things are rather interchangeable but I love that both Charming and Hook use those terms. I look forward to future rewatches when I can be on the lookout for that specific stuff but it always strikes me that both men use that particular phrasing. Love it!
As for today’s other news, yay for Rapunzel! Doesn’t fit the look I can dress up like which is what I was hoping (bummer) and she’s younger so probably no Flynn either, but I love that we’re actually getting to see her! (I was afraid we wouldn’t because it was so recent that they might stay away from it). No idea who’s story she connects with yet though. Hmm.
Some people in the fandom apparently think that CSers think Emma and Killian actually are Rapunzel and Flynn. Um, huh? No no no no no. We enjoy the many many many parallels to the Tangled version of Rapunzel but Emma is just Emma! We’ve always known that! (I thought the fandom understood that by now too but apparently not?) but there are still many nods to THAT version of the story that we can love all we want to! The reason Emma fits in so well in the story is because she embodies enough Fairy Tale traits from VARIOUS stories that she fits into that universe without much trouble. She’s still very much raised in our world and struggles to find her place within the fairy tale community she finds herself in, but there are aspects of her story that connect to ALL of the others (which is helpful since in order to SEE their stories, there has to be something that connects them back to Emma or the other core characters of the show, otherwise what’s the point?)
I love that we get nods from so many things that the creators love for sure though. Star Wars and Princess Bride are huge things for them that we’re likely not to actually see any version of so it’s great to know that those influences are in there, just like Tangled and anything else that reminds us of our couple, but at the end of the day Emma and Killian are their OWN love story and it’s beautiful!
As to Hook beating Charming’s dedication…in all fairness he has lived a bit longer! 😉 But it’s what I love about how perfect these two are and how similar to each other that they are, albeit different too. It harkens back to even more stuff we saw in the pilot about how Charming is very much about “What’s 28 years when you have eternal love?” and not being worried about it. Similarly Hook has spent centuries trying to avenge the death of the woman he loved. They get it. It doesn’t matter how much time it takes, as annoying as long breaks are, as long as you mean it with your whole heart and will do whatever it takes to get back to each other.
Snowing: I will always find you. Did you ever doubt I would?
CaptainSwan: As you wish. Does that surprise you?
Absolute perfection on so many levels. I realize many don’t want to hold to the things in the pilot because that was before it was picked up and there’s the issue with the apple reasoning etc, but there are SOME things that they did set up that early on that they still go back to. One of the things I love that people pointed out on tumblr lately (besides the knight and pirate/navy dolls protecting the crib, or the fact that everywhere Emma goes, there are ships and ship’s wheels and water etc etc), that shortly after we meet  Emma Swan, she makes a wish not to be alone and then Henry shows up. (AKA True Love #1 – mother/son relationship).
Her whole life has been manipulated and quite possibly even more than we already know. She’s big on choices and making things happen and not relying on “fairy godmothers” to fix things, but she still makes a wish. So now in Season 3, when things start realllly heading toward her finding romance and having to make a choice at some point, we have one option for her that is literally telling her “As you wish” and doing whatever he can to make her happy, even when it runs a huge chance of him facing rejection and getting his heart shattered after finally putting it back together.
Also fun to note that someone did a gifset of on tumblr (I feel like it was brought over here already but can’t remember now!) that Hook is in complete control of his ship and is firm about how he’s the one that gives the orders, but the moment Emma says something it’s “As you wish” and he dashes off to get them out of there, lol. Love it!
I fully expect Hook to be in good with the Charmings and happy to help out in whatever way he can. Not sure if they have need of a navy really, but the Charmings’ castle is surrounded by water so at least there’s lots of parking spaces for the Jolly Roger! 😉 Plus I expect him to become a part of their council group someday when they get back to FTL and be a part of fixing things. He’s becoming more and more trusted and close to them so I wouldn’t see why not.
BTS shots from 3×10 make me so happy! He’s up talking to the Charmings and they look like they might be sticking up for him while Grumpy is kinda side-eyeing him which is totally reminiscent of him being skeptical of Charming – aka: good sign. Win over Charming? Check. Win over Grumpy? Working on. Also it looks like we might get a Grumpy/Emma hug! He’s so protective of and close to Snow and we haven’t gotten to see him a whole lot with Emma so I hope that’s the case! He had a huge smile on his face and his arms were open wide so I hope it’s a Grumpy/Emma hug. He’s practically her godfather if you think about it! I’m still curious about who the group is looking at though. Seems like almost everyone is off the ship and standing on shore already but the group is out there smiling and looking in the same direction. I wonder what’s happening!
Can’t wait til Sunday! I need a new episode to analyze!
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I’m too afraid to look at the comments being made. I just hope she doesn’t get hate directed at her for it. I think she’ll actually be very good in the role, even if it’s not the traditional look. Can’t wait to see what she brings to the table and how she’s connected to everything!
Literally my only concerns looking at it were well darn, can’t dress as OUAT’s version of Rapunzel, and Flynn will either be non-existant or way too young for me. That’s it! (And as depressing as those are for me on a personal level, it’s not the end of the world and has no bearing on whether her version of Rapunzel will be awesome or not).
It really depresses me to see how vicious this fandom can be sometimes. I haven’t looked yet but poor Adam must be getting a barrage of hate sent at him (like usual), and on his birthday no less! It’s getting embarrassing to say you’re a Oncer because to some people, that lumps us in with the extremist fans who can’t be happy with anything.
I may worry about things a little before they air, but context is everything and without it, it’s hard to judge anything. Plus things usually turn out way better and are pleasant surprises! I thought I’d hate Beast after the promo for Skin Deep and that’s a fan favorite episode now that people were trashing over the 2 week break leading up to it after that promo was released. These are fairy tales. Anything is possible!
Edited to add: the more I look at stuff of hers, the more convinced I am she will be amazing in the part. Can’t wait to see what she does with it and I’m more curious than ever what her storyline will be!
Also do people really think Emma is more than one character? I keep seeing all these posts of people flipping out that she can’t be Rapunzel now and it makes no sense to me. Emma is Emma. That’s it! That’s what they’ve said from the beginning!
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Yeah I’m kinda hoping we don’t see him and it’ll make sense why we don’t, especially if they’re going off of a different version of the story since Tangled is so recent. I shall miss Flynn but that’s what the movie’s for! On the bright side, if they don’t bring him in, then he’s still only Zac and I can live with that.
I was already a little bummed (but I’m sure she’ll do a great job!) since I was looking forward to finally having a Disney/OUAT princess I would be able to dress up as so thank goodness I don’t actually get to go anywhere I could cosplay! Looks like I’m stuck with Emma (not super recognizable but at least the outfit is comfortable?) and she’s a favorite character for me too, though it would have been nice to have a traditional Disney princess to match as well. (Looks like that’s out for me unless they randomly make someone else blonde but doubtful and I’d probably be upset with them changing whoever since I like the more traditional looks for them. Nobody has problems changing a blonde to a brunette but I can’t even begin to imagine the backlash had someone else’s hair changed to blonde.)
I’m always so jealous of all the Belles in the fandom (I love Belle, but would never be able to pass for her!) and Aurora/Cinderella weren’t exactly what I was hoping for. (I enjoy them on the show but I don’t exactly want to go around dressed as them or anything and only Cinderella would really count so not really interested in the OUAT versions for those purposes.)
Rapunzel hits close to home so was really hoping I’d finally have someone to join in with on that kind of stuff but looks like that’s out! (I wouldn’t really want to go to anything OUAT-related dressed as the Disney version when the OUAT version is so different). Long blonde hair just is not popular with OUAT, that’s for sure! Seems like Emma is the go-to (Cinderella is practically non-existant and Aurora isn’t really blonde – and they say we have more fun? HA! Skipped my generation for sure! Brunette is totally in right now, including the end of Tangled, but for the majority of the movie, that’s basically me for a long list of reasons so I’m rather attached to her – though my hair is FAR more tangled than hers, so jealous).
I’m sure Alexandra will be amazing though! I have seen stuff with her in it that I need to rewatch cause I can’t remember too much about her but I’m sure she’ll fit in wonderfully and I love when people that are actually fans of the show get involved in it! Tangled isn’t the only version of the story so we’ll just have to adjust to the differences and it’ll be nice to see a POC brought in (though I was really hoping she was going to be Tiana) and have her be a good character (I can’t imagine they would make a Disney princess evil!)
I really didn’t think we’d be getting a Rapunzel at all or at least anytime soon so am surprised but happy (even if it means no Flynn and no fun costume for me). I’m much more invested in Tangled than most of the other Disney movies even though I loved many as a kid. I’m already used to the show making me not like the stories I loved before as much as I did the originals (but love the ones I hated) so I’m a little on edge about them bringing Rapunzel in at all but I trust them.
I’m just trying to figure out whose story she might fit in with. I’m very curious as to what 14 year old Rapunzel has in store for us!
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Interesting! I thought they were staying away from Rapunzel for a bit since Tangled is so recent but changing things up and doing their own twist on it makes sense! Looking forward to seeing how she fits in (and why 3×14? WHAT IS GOING ON?? I’m so lost at this point with the 2nd half of the season stuff but looking forward to figuring out how she relates to everything!) and it sounds like she’s a fan of the show which is always a good sign! Can’t wait to see what part of the puzzle Rapunzel brings!
Not gonna lie, a little shocked that they’re making her 14. I’m…extremely confused. Â I hope this means that we’re focusing on HER story. (Wonder what they’re setting up to parallel to that!) I was really expecting to see Rapunzel AND Flynn and that they’d be roughly the same age as all the other Disney Princesses are or 18 since her story in Tangled takes place around her 18th birthday so I’m very confused/curious to see what story they want to tell about her at 14. (Bummed we don’t get Mandy and Zac but that would have been too obvious of a nod I think, though good for ratings I’m sure). Unless she starts as 14 and then ages up. Not sure how old the actress is but could it be a Freya type situation where we see a little bit of time pass and she can play younger than her age?
Since this could technically be off any version of the story, I doubt we’ll actually get Flynn, especially if she’s only 14 and he’s not supposed to meet her until she’s 18. I’m sure I’d learn to love it like almost everything else about this show and it would probably end up being super adorable and I’d love it in a different way, I’m just having trouble letting that idea sink in right now if they go that route and have them meet and stay younger (I’d rather they didn’t but could be swayed once it airs like with everything else).
For right now it sounds like we have an awesome (albeit younger than expected) Rapunzel which has a lot of potential and that much I’m really looking forward to!Â
Have to keep an open mind to what we haven’t actually seen yet because there’s no point in hating things without context and not giving them a chance. I’m sure Rapunzel will be wonderful, I’m just trying to imagine what that might mean for Flynn. If they do a highlight reel type thing where we see her age a bit, starting at 14, then it could end on a hopeful note with her meeting Flynn and going away around her 18th birthday. It would leave it hopeful but open for another appearance if they want to tell that story and wouldn’t make Flynn 14 in the process which I would appreciate. (He’s my favorite, I’m kinda attached and not looking forward to the idea that if we see him at all he might be a teenager. I’m sure I’d love him either way, but it’s tough!)
I wonder what her story will be and who it relates to though. I’m looking forward to a princess story that’s just about the princess since most of the time their stories are tied in with their guys. It’s one of the criticisms of the show that the princesses are tied up too much in their love lives and don’t have solo stories that show off how awesome they are so that could be really good, especially as an introduction for a character we don’t know yet! Wondering how her story is contained within the one episode though (for now) and what that story might be / who it will parallel with! Plus she’s got to be connected to someone somehow, so it probably won’t just be a random flashback. She’ll have to interact with someone and have a purpose for being there so I’m very very curious what that connection will be!
Always a little concerned since I’ve learned throughout the show that the stories I realllly love the Disney versions of are kinda lackluster for me, whereas the ones I didn’t care for much have really won me over (see: Snow) so I’ll wait and see. I still love all of it within the show, I just am more invested in the characters that are from the movies I least liked than I am the ones I expected to really love (for the most part) so we’ll have to see. I really want to love what they do with Rapunzel though, even if that means not seeing Flynn or making him far too young for me (*sniff*) so anxiously awaiting 3×14 so we can see what A&E do with her story!
They’ve already pretty much erased Shang so they could easily do the same with Flynn. I love him and it would be sad but that said, I am really looking forward to seeing what this actress does with Rapunzel! They’re not remaking Disney movies (they’ve already strayed away from some of them like Mulan – I was really hoping for Shang =/) so at least we have the originals to love as well as their twists on it. It’s hard letting go of the way you see those movies but we’ll have to wait and see what they do with it! This would be one of the stories they could easily go off in a different direction with so I’m not surprised they’re choosing to do that. It’s tough cause it’s very popular right now and a fan favorite so it’s dicey territory to enter into but at the same time would make a lot of sense. Doesn’t make me any less concerned for my personal favorite but I have to trust A&E to continue making a story I love so I’m anxious to see how she fits into everything!
I’m sure she will be awesome (and I expect nothing less!). I’m thinking for this appearance at least, they did some casting without putting out calls for it. Surely we see someone from her story OTHER than just Rapunzel, perhaps a Mother Gothel type figure etc, yet we’re only hearing about Rapunzel. So I’m curious to see who else is involved in that. It does sound like a one-episode thing for now but we could see her again (and probably will). So who else did they sneak by us and why?
Other than the potential age issue for Flynn (if we even get him at all)…looking forward to it! Rapunzel is a favorite so I’m thrilled we get to see her (though cautiously optimistic about the storyline and direction they go in with her – I’ve been burned before on other stories I’ve always loved). Seriously though, what is going on with the 2nd half of season 3???
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I hate preview being gone with a passion! So many wonderful responses while I was typing! Seriously excellent points guys! (I’m jealous cause they’re so short but brilliant!)
Agree with everything that was said though. LOVED the NealFire/Rumple scenes and it was very interesting to note that he used that as an example. He pointed out that Rumple came back for him and I absolutely agree that that is a huge difference for SF/CS. Hook left too but as you said, he didn’t have a reason to come back and he did it anyway. JMO has said that that is something that is very important to Emma because nobody’s ever done that for her before (other than Henry, hmm…sensing a theme here).
It really is a huge difference between Neal and Hook and it was important for Neal to recognize that about his relationship with Rumple. The thing that makes Rumple good throughout all the bad stuff, is the fact that he regretted letting go of Bae but never gave up trying to make up for it. He could easily have assumed that Bae was better off without him and happier etc, but he needed Bae to hear how sorry he was. That not only did he regret it (which is what Bae found out about Milah abandoning him as well) but that he spent centuries trying to correct that mistake. To tell him what happened, to admit that he was scared and to fix things. He NEVER gave up on that. Whereas Neal decided Emma was better off and wouldn’t forgive him and he was too scared so he never even tried….which is more like Pan. (Horrible family traits to inherit, even if they skip a generation!)
I really think that Neal is starting to understand and get around to the mindset that maybe Emma won’t be able to give him that second chance. We’ve seen that in a lot of his wording on things as well as a recent MRJ interview that wasn’t EMMA EMMA EMMA but that she doesn’t owe him anything.
It baffled me earlier on in the season when he was so gung-ho about a second chance with Emma, while saying he couldn’t forgive Rumple. I’m going to be interested to see what this latest revelation does for him. Will he think he stands a better chance now that he’s been able to forgive Rumple for abandoning him? Or will he recognize the difference is that he never came back and that was his mistake?
He had a lot of things to say when Mulan and Robin were around about what he should do when he sees Emma again and we even saw Mulan take his advice (only to find out it was too late but she actually went there to TRY at least), but he hasn’t done any of that yet. So I’m anxious to see what happens with that. At some point we should see Robin again and he’s bound to ask about things so we may get some more insight then too. But I think at this point, Neal will be more understanding about everything and it wouldn’t surprise me if that comes up when he actually gets some time to talk to Emma onscreen. Like when she tries to explain why she can’t go back to him more fully than what she did with the caves (which wasn’t enough since he followed that with the whole “never going to stop fighting for you. never” stuff. I think at some point, maybe in the near future even if a decision isn’t actually made yet, he may try and have a conversation with her where he says he understands it better now after forgiving Rumple. That he’ll understand if she can’t give him another chance, even though he’d like one, because he recognizes that he never came back and that that was his mistake.
It’ll be interesting to see. I imagine something like that might happen and make him seem more sympathetic and like maybe things are different but eventually I still think she’ll put that in the past and move on with Hook permanently. I just want her to get some actual closure (and Neal needs it too) so it could be another one of those bittersweet conversations between them that irons out the past a bit more and helps them accept that it’ll never be the way it was. Here’s hoping.
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