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Um, I thought the tattoo WASN’T JMO’s but Emma’s. Pretty sure they added that in to every time it would actually be seen AND they made a point of it matching Charming’s shield (I distinctly recall them saying something along those lines) so pretty sure it’s an EMMA tattoo and not a JMO one meaning it has importance to her character specifically and has been there from almost the beginning (pilots are excused but it’s been there ever since and has been seen prominently a few times).
Now I have to go look all that up because I’m pretty sure she doesn’t have a tattoo in real life…
It is interesting though that the tattoo holds significance to her and it matches Charming’s shield. We’ve never been able to pinpoint the exact flower (there have been a few wonderful suggestions, all of which correspond with perfectly plausible reasoning) but it would be very interesting if she gravitated to it for something like Princess Bride (doubtful but the fanfiction would be great, especially her telling Hook about it someday if he asks why she reacts the way she does when he says “As you wish” and then showing him the tattoo – it would be totally cute!) but I know she had it in Tallahassee (can’t remember if she definitely had it before she met Neal or not but she had it when she was arrested for sure cause it’s easy to see when her hands are up).
Off to do research!
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
On the bright side it’s still one person’s interpretation of the scenes. Some of it doesn’t quite jive with the actual sneaks we’ve seen so far though. It is more of a point by point glossing over how things actually go down, but since we all interpret things differently even if we highlight the same exact plot point, I still need to see things in context before having an outright opinion on any of it.
Given the sneak though, I’m surprised a big chunk of it was glossed over in this recap and instead goes with “Neal grabs the coconut …” so hopefully more of it has just been glossed over and there will still be something surprising and new. Can’t believe this got released though, ugh. And now it will be quoted to death until the episode, and people will form opinions based on the wording within the recap which, again, isn’t from A&E and it’s not from within the episode, and uh…WE ALL INTERPRET THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
It’s like saying “so and so said this” without giving any of the facial reactions or the implication. Scenes would be LOST without the context and wording and visual cues so I take this with a huge grain of salt even though it’s likely a rough estimate of how the episode would actually go down.
Me? I like quotes, and context, and visual cues and who’s being focused on, and what’s going on that leads to that moment etc etc. So many times the IDEA of something has seemed strange or like it would fail miserably and then we see it and it’s brilliant and we love it. (Rumple as Beast for instance? That was a rough 2 week break after that promo and Skin Deep is now one of the most popular episodes!).
Can’t wait til we actually SEE what’s going on in this episode but I really hope they don’t screw up like this again in the future. Some people (for whatever reason) really don’t watch until they’ve been told it’s a good episode for their character, ship, whatever else it may be and glossing over stuff (surely there’s SOMETHING in the episode that they didn’t feel the need to mention here) and not actually seeing context means taking one person’s opinion on what happened and that’s sad. I really hope it doesn’t affect ratings at all. It should be a really good episode!
We’ve got (all of which we knew from the press release which was more than enough!):
- Snow & Charming
- Ariel & Belle friendship
- RumBelle via Ariel’s mission
- The Darlings
- CSF on a mission together
- CSF drama as a trio, as couples, as friends, and individual character stuff so fans of all 3, or 2/3, or any individually should love this episode
- Shadow stuff
- Pan stuff
- Trying to find a way home
- Tink
It’s a treasure trove of potential goodness and it greatly saddens me that some might read that and feel like “oh, __ doesn’t get a moment because they didn’t bother to mention it so I’m not gonna watch” or “so and so will be so hurt, I can’t handle this, I won’t watch” cause it should be amazing and I hate that people will take somebody else’s idea of what happened over their own.
Trust me, I listen to too many podcasts (or did, I’m cutting back now) that completely glossed over what *I* considered to be very big plot points because it didn’t go along with what they wanted so was therefore not important enough to mention. It’s very bothersome, but not everyone notices and/or cares about the same things as everyone else (or finds a deeper meaning in it or remembers that we saw something similar with someone else which makes it a bigger moment than it seems on the surface etc etc)! Which is why I pretty much stick to what I see, or actual QUOTES, not paraphrased to death articles and recaps that people then jump off of and quote everywhere else like it’s the end-all and be-all proof of anything when it’s not.
Disappointed that so much of the plot was released in this recap but I can’t wait to see it play out! I definitely need to see HOW certain things are handled and in what context because anybody looking at this recap would declare the triangle dead and pointless and that Emma would take Henry and never be in love again. (And we know THAT’S not gonna be the case so I need context and see what set her off!)
So there is likely big stuff still in here that we have yet to find that just didn’t make the cut for the recap (that should never have been released in the first place). Just when I think their marketing department can’t get any worse…..(seriously can I get a job? I need one and I’m actually, you know, a FAN OF THE SHOW. *headdesk*)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Was not expecting that sneak peak but I will say that Neal definitely had emotion, he just didn’t crumble in front of them. He was obviously very hurt (understandably so, especially after what Emma has said to him very recently) and I don’t blame him. Everyone is going off of different assumptions and it’s making things very awkward and putting Emma in a tough spot for sure.
Hook thinks Emma loves Neal and so of course would have told him about it so is therefore thanking Neal for being understanding about the whole thing because he thinks it’s a good sign that he’s being so nice to him even knowing that, not realizing that he DIDN’T know that, nor having a clue what Emma has said to Neal (he thinks they’re all peachy now but focused on getting Henry back).
Neal thinks that Emma is hurt by him and his past actions but is planning to fight to get her back, and right now that means focusing on Henry which is priority for both of them and should be, so there being a potential something with Hook going on he wasn’t aware of is throwing a bigger wrench into the plan.
Emma thinks she’s said her peace for now with Neal and the focus is on Henry. No time to figure out what the kiss/secret reveal from Hook might mean for her, no time to process Neal being alive and what they’ve just said to one another. It’s all about Henry.
Now everything’s going to be all awkward but I really think that Hook genuinely thought she had told Neal and that Neal didn’t consider him a threat because they were getting along fine (it seems or he wouldn’t have had reason to say it) and now Neal’s all confused and upset because he probably feels like HOOK is the reason that Emma wants to put Neal behind her. Suddenly he feels like he’s not just fighting his own mistakes, but that there’s another contender in the ring.
Personally I think regardless of Hook, Emma would feel exactly the same way she does about Neal no matter what right now. She didn’t say “I love you but while you were gone I fell in love with someone else.” It was only about her issues with Neal that were on the table and she hasn’t even had time to address any even potential feelings regarding Hook or what’s happened with him lately (the kiss, his secret etc) but now that Neal knows about the kiss, he may feel like that’s not the case and react differently than he might have otherwise. It’ll be interesting to see.
I was glad Hook said “we shared a kiss” rather than outting Emma for kissing him. It came across a lot better than the knife-wound that would have come with “she thought you died 5 days ago and kissed me right before we discovered you were alive” even though it would hurt either way. Reminded me of him saying that HE kissed HER during his secret reveal (he did kiss her back but Emma started it and he didn’t say that in front of Charming like he could have). He’s not being malicious and territorial about it and it’s eating him up too that they shared a kiss and now she’s (supposedly) going off with Neal but he’s trying to put that BEHIND his and Neal’s relationship and thank him for being the better man about it and being understanding since he’s likely taking it all in good stride and he just has no idea that Neal didn’t know.
Which…frankly makes sense at this point. Emma basically said that (at least right now, calm down shippers!), they’re not getting back together but Hook doesn’t know any of that. So of course, the logical conclusion is that she would have told him to be upfront and honest with him and start their reunion off clean and that would include mentioning the kiss. But Emma, in NOT getting back with Neal right now, doesn’t owe him an explanation of anything because they weren’t together when he “died”, so therefore didn’t bother to tell him she kissed Hook because he has no reason to know about that. If she were trying to get back with him I feel like her guilt over it would have forced her to tell him so it’s a logical assumption from Hook but a painful discovery for Neal since she didn’t feel like she needed to tell him since they’re not getting back together, at least for right now.
So now everybody’s being awkward for Emma, Neal’s retreating for now and gathering his thoughts cause he’s obviously wounded, and Hook is confused and torn more than ever because he just jeopardized what may have been a nice reunion for him and Neal by telling him that, and then he might learn that Emma isn’t back together with him which would give him hope but at the expense of his friendship as well as the chance that Emma would still go back to Neal later on (he reads her pretty well so he’s likely to pick up on any unfinished business), and the focus has to be on Henry so things are confusing enough as they for all three of them!
I hate triangles. I’ll be so happy when they save Henry and figure this mess out because it’s going to be very very painful for fans of BOTH guys since they’re both hurting right now. In this scene it was mostly Neal but Hook’s hurting a little too and it couldn’t have been easy for him to basically say “we kissed but now she’s yours so thanks for taking it so well even though it’s tearing me up inside that I had hope for all of five minutes before we discovered you were alive.” He was trying so hard to keep doing the right thing and try to acknowledge the elephant in the room to put it behind them. =/
I definitely saw the hurt on Neal’s face though so he definitely reacted and was emotional about it, he just didn’t flip out but quickly got himself out of there and focusing on something else because it was too painful. He’ll likely focus on Henry and gather his thoughts and then we’ll see him say something later on in the episode maybe to Emma. There’s not a whole lot he can say really right now. He’s dealing with his own guilt and knows they have a lot of baggage on their own and now he finds out there might be another guy in the picture that he wasn’t told about (not that she’s had much time to tell him much of anything probably but we’ll see how far into the ep it is). It’ll make for interesting tension during this mission and poor Emma’s just standing there like “everything was fine when I left, what the heck happened in the last 2 minutes?” cause the tension has obviously shifted and nobody really knows what’s going on with the other two, they’re just making assumptions left and right (logical ones, but still).
This is after the group has been split up (who thought it was a good idea to send Emma off alone with Hook and Neal? Snowing obviously know that there’s going to be drama there and it’s going to be painful for Emma and they left her with no buffers! Granted Snowing need some alone time to deal with their issues too but this is going to be an interesting mission and a tough one for all 3 characters).
Those pictures are definitely from after they’ve gotten the shadow wrapped up in the coconut so I have no idea why Tink would need that in order to help them, unless it’s proof of the escape plan or something. She’s big on having a way out first so they might be holding that as proof that they can escape.
So many questions but most importantly, can it be Sunday now? Cause as rough as this episode is going to be emotionally for the triangle, I wanna see what happens! I was not expecting a sneak with them at all since so much is bound to go on but now I need more!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Something I can’t even believe I forgot in my metas about the whole bug situation that was just brought to my attention by the wonderful people on tumblr.
So many were cheering for the SF moment of Neal being on the Jolly Roger WITH EMMA (and Henry) when it was HOOK’S ship so her first memory of the Jolly Roger was with Neal too (as well as Hook’s memories including Liam and Milah), but now they’re up in arms about Emma actually LETTING (not Hook stealing) but LETTING Hook get into her bug?
I get that the bug is a huge SF icon which is why I HATE THIS because I’d rather find something that is all ours, but at the same time we already had a SF moment on the Jolly Roger when that should be with Hook, so it’s more of an even thing now for Hook to be in Emma’s bug – and he’s actually there with her permission!
This whole situation sucks. I can’t imagine what poor Adam is dealing with right now based on all the spoilers out of Steveston. Bet he’s wishing they were back in the studios instead. It must be exciting for people to be on set and see things and meet people but I really hate that so many spoilers get released (even though I can’t seem to stay away from them!)
I’d much rather work on a week to week basis with clues and hints but now we have weeks to work out headcanons and either be thrilled or heartbroken based on what various things actually mean. We have NO idea what is really going on with that bug scene but I very greatly doubt that they’re trying to romanticize the bug as a CS thing now unless it’s to show in a really weird way that Emma is totally over Neal and doesn’t remotely think of him with the car anymore. Neal is always something that will be in their shared past and is in their lives now but I’d really prefer if their more romantic moments could take place well away from anything remotely associated with SF other than Emma herself. Sadly, they MUST NEED to go somewhere and it is Emma’s only method of transportation unless she wants to borrow Daddy!Charming’s truck, and since they’re on land, the Jolly Roger isn’t going to help. It’s not like Hook’s vehicle is an option, whether it’s for a date or not.
I’m inclined to think that even if they ARE together by that point – which I’m really not sure about…being this close to mid-season when they finally get back I’m not sure how much time Emma will have had to process much of anything and I want it made *crystal clear* that Neal is in the past and that she’s not going back. I’d seriously rather her *try* with Neal and show all the longing looks with Hook than watch it happen in reverse because I just can’t watch Killian like that and I don’t buy it for a second. Going back and trying something with Neal and then realizing that Hook is the better option is fine, but if she IS with Hook, then it better be pretty darn obvious that the past is the past and I think it will be.
This past episode was a huge start, but a lot has to happen over the next few before I’ll get my hopes up for it being a date date. Still can’t figure out why she’s wearing that or where they might be going, but I hope that even seeing them be in the bug, that it’s only for a few moments to show how they got from point A to point B and then have whatever THEIR moment is be far away from that. That would make me very happy actually.
I’ll be shocked if we don’t ever see a conversation between Neal and Emma about the bug but I also feel like it was something that was cut ages ago because surely he’s noticed the bug in town before… I’m sure he’d resent her spending time in it with anyone else but he GAVE IT TO HER and then ABANDONED HER and NEVER PLANNED ON COMING BACK even after he knew about Henry so he has no claim to it accept reminding her of their past with it. If he pushes that I’d rather she just throw the keys at him and say if it means that much to him he can have it back! The only memories she’s attached to in that car right now are 2 years of driving around looking for him after being locked up for him and having his kid while shackled to a bed, followed by almost a decade of moving around and sometimes living in just that car, and then eventually driving Henry to SB which is the one remotely happy thing about it. But it has still been HERS for far longer than it was ever their’s, and again, even with all the pain and misery of losing Liam, and half his crew, and Milah on that boat, it is still a piece of Hook, like the bug is a piece of Emma. Milah and Neal will always be there too no matter what. But people have to move on and that includes sharing THEMSELVES with someone new which means WITH ALL THAT BAGGAGE.
*throws something* This whole thing sucks. Why can’t we have some nifty moment that doesn’t get trashed on because it relates to something SF-related? I really really hope we only see them in the bug so we know HOW they got somewhere and then we get something that is ALL CS. That’s the only way it’ll fly with anybody. Nobody seemed to mind Neal stealing the Jolly Roger to take Emma back to SB though so Emma LETTING Hook into her bug should be alright. (It won’t be, but it should be). The situations are slightly different and I get the anger, I totally do, but there’s not much she can do about it right after she gets back to SB (though I would love for her to have to ask for Daddy’s keys to the truck instead of taking her bug for a date with Killian! That would be hilarious!
It’s the elephant in the room I suppose. They’ll always have a shared connection to Neal but I’d really rather have our moments somewhere far away from where she shared moments with Neal in the past. That said, she shared a nice moment with Hook on his ship and goodness knows he actually lived there with Milah for YEARS and I’m sure we don’t want to know any more about what they did there, than Hook wants to know about what Emma did with Neal in the bug, but they are who they are, the past is the past, and as awkward and weird as things are (especially given their bizarre family situation – the tree is really getting crazy), you can either focus on the past and not let go of it, or more forward and make new memories, even in places that hold extreme HURT AND PAIN from relationships that fell apart before which, let’s face it, both the ship and the bug do just that.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Man this thread has been hopping since I posted last night! It’s been a busy day but I agree with what you all have said and only have a little to add!
It DOES look like Hook is holding the door open for Emma (always the gentleman!) and she is wearing a skirt & heels – very very interesting! It could be one of the quieter moments / or perhaps lead to some cliffhanger with them leaving to go somewhere but then, wouldn’t Emma be dressed more sensibly? I’m confused at this idea for that reason alone.
As to whether it’s 3×11 or 3×12, it *should* be 3×11 but since that’s a cliffhanger episode, being a mid-season finale, ESPECIALLY with a long (*sobs uncontrollably*) break before 3×12, there might be *some* things that are filmed a little for 3×12 if they happen immediately after something in 3×11 where they might be worried about continuity.
Since one of the spoiler pics shows that we were pretty much right about Ginny as she DEFINITELY looks pregnant now, I would imagine if they needed SNOW for something, they’re more likely to have that happen earlier as opposed to later (she can only wear big coats and hide behind Charming and/or things for so long especially since it sounds like they’ll tie it into the show since Snow said she wants a baby. I’m envisioning that we’re gonna have to have a bit of a time jump at some point to explain Snow, so it’s possible whatever this was was a continuation of a 3×11 thing and then it jumps a bit over the hiatus maybe? In the past we’ve picked up where we left off quite frequently but since they don’t get back to Storybrooke til near the mid-season finale, they’ll have to account for Snow’s pregnancy somehow or there’s no point in actually writing it in, it’s just a matter of when they time jump. Otherwise they will just have to keep hiding Ginny somehow and then eventually they’ll use it but then she’d have to be fake-pregnant which kinda destroys the writing it in in the first place. Just my 2 cents on that matter.
I don’t know what it’s like to be on set and how much people can see / hear or who might be feeding them the information but if people are sure that was 3×12 stuff then that’s interesting cause I think Adam tweeted they were still on 3×11. I’m sure they’ll continue to be filming and wrapped up around the same time as always, even with the split season.
So excited about the possibility that our ship will be spending some quality time together alone in a car! NO IDEA where they would be going that they’d need it, most of the time people walk through town but bonding time is bonding time and it shows that Emma is still very comfortable with Hook around and that he’s still by her side no matter what! Also it would be kind of weird for her to be off alone with him in her car if she’s with Neal so…signs are pointing to last episode holding true, at least by the end of the mid-season which is good for us too.
I really really think that Hook reads Emma so well and he’ll be paying extra close attention to how Emma is around Neal and there’s no way that he’ll let himself get his hopes up to the point where he’s completely blind to reading her. So if she does for whatever reason try to convince herself to move on but hasn’t finished up the past yet…I really don’t see Hook jumping into something with her, especially with the complicated CSF history at play, because he’d know it wasn’t real and that would hurt him even more. So if they do something, it’ll be because he genuinely believes she’s moved on. After all, he didn’t say she was in love with him after the kiss. He told Pan that he thinks she’s STARTING TO SEE HIM FOR WHO HE REALLY IS. Big difference. It means there’s a chance. He has hope, but he’s not unrealistic about it. Couple that with what HE thinks about the Neal situation right now and we’ve got obstacles but it looks like that should be ironed out to a point at least by the time they’re alone in the bug!
So if these two are together, or sorta together, or almost together I fully expect it to be resolved as much as possible before that happens. Otherwise it’s just two friends who haven’t figured out their feelings yet but are working on something together which still lends itself heavily to CS!
As for Neal standing close to Emma in some of the recent pictures. Unless I haven’t found them all yet (entirely possible, been a busy day), the ones I recall from yesterday – Neal and Emma both crouching over Regina (along with Henry, and Belle being closeby, including Neal putting an arm up to shield Belle and stay close to her, the only picture I can think of that was Neal standing close to Emma had Henry in the middle of the group and it was Emma and Neal with Regina standing in the middle and all of them holding on to Henry. So I’m not sure based off of that and then the fact that Emma and Hook are alone in her bug why we would need to concern ourselves about them being together at this point because the odds of Emma going off with Hook alone while she’s with Neal are slim to none, ESPECIALLY in that bug because you know Neal will have a very strong opinion on that.
As has been stated many times which went along with my bug/ship meta last night, as far as I’m concerned, their methods of transportation are way more closely associated with the character than a relationship. Both have painful memories involving first loves and yes, we have more reason to be attached to the bug with Neal than we do the ship with Milah because we didn’t see much of them together (though she did die there) but relatively speaking, 300+ years and a decade+ made it their own thing and more closely tied to the character than the ship.
Saying that Hook can’t ride in Emma’s bug EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES is like saying that Neal can never approach Emma in the diner because Hook and Emma had an important scene there. Objects are easier to assign to one or the other and I totally get why that is considered a HUGE object, but I can’t imagine asking Killian to get rid of his ship, much less asking Emma to get rid of her bug so that they don’t EVER share it with a future relationship. At this point they’re just too tied in with the characters themselves, even with the history there involving Milah or Neal. Fitting, since they will always be a part of them no matter where they go or what they do or whether or not they ever hold on to any keepsake from that time including things that aren’t exactly keepsakes. (Emma gave him back the keychain/necklace that came with the car, but she kept her home/method of transportation – similar to Hook having the ship beforehand and keeping it even when tragedy struck him there not once but twice. He lost Liam there too remember? The history isn’t always JUST about the relationship but about what else it represents for them. In both cases it’s a reminder of how SUDDENLY and QUICKLY and WITHOUT A GOODBYE people will LEAVE you whether they “want to” or not and it fits for both characters.)
I hate that it comes to this though. I want new memories in new places with things that are ours and just ours. That isn’t going to stop me from being excited about Hook spending time in Emma’s bug though! Cause the bug isn’t the only thing she’s sharing with her new love. She’s sharing herself too, and at the end of the day, THAT is what will upset people. It’s a sign she’s moving forward and she must not be thinking of it in those terms if she’s going places alone with Hook, dressed like that, and without Neal around.
I really expected to get a conversation about it sometime, probably stemming from Neal. Or possibly Emma, if we get more deep conversations between her and Hook about their pasts and coming to terms with them. I love that our ship actually asks the questions and makes an effort to get to know each other and who they are NOW vs who they once were ages ago. They read each other so well and they dig when they have to but they also know when NOT to push and just find out when the other is ready to give more information. Such kindred spirits!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I’m a little hesitant to put QUITE that positive of a spin on it but I am VERY curious about what exactly is going on! Looking forward to it regardless because it’ll be just the two of them in the bug and she IS dressed up! but I want to see how we get there and get a little closer to it or get more information before jumping completely to that. This should be part of 3×11 which means some kind of cliffhanger to tide us over to the 2nd half of the season so not sure if they’d do anything like a date for CS without worrying about keeping people tuned in for the 2nd half.
I’ll be super surprised if we do finish the triangle early (it would be nice so we could focus on other things) but we’ve got a lot of ground to cover before getting to 3×11 for sure.
That said – we did see (and learn it’s genuine) that Emma wishes he were dead because it would be easier for her to move on, and that she wants to put him behind her. All of which are good arguments for her NOT going back to him and continuing to build something with Killian (with obstacles along the way – probably a lot of “almost conversations” similar to Ariel/Eric, and even Emma/Hook when she reached for him right after his secret was revealed but didn’t get the chance to actually react to it before everything else went down and then he took off to lead the quest to find Tink (before doubling back to listen in).
Can’t wait for Sunday so we can see how the Emma, Hook, Neal mission goes. It *looks* like we should get a little CS alone time but probably not for long so things will likely take time to be addressed more properly. Right now there’s a lot of things that people THINK are the case (namely Hook in thinking that Emma is happy Neal’s back and him planning to fight for her) but it’s a case of misunderstanding right now. Once that all gets cleared up it could be the end of the triangle if Emma makes it clear that she’s not going back and nothing he can say now will change that.
Colin, JMO etc have said from the start that nothing more will likely happen right now because Henry is the priority and it makes PERFECT SENSE that Emma would try to block the rest out, especially now that she finds herself in the midst of a very awkward triangle but I maintain that Hook isn’t the obstacle to SF at all: Neal is. And I think Emma made it pretty clear where she stands on that right now.
I would love love love it if they wrap up the “triangle” quickly but Emma does have a lot of things to process from the past before that can happen – pretty sure Hook isn’t going to swoop in and get her just because she’s hurting and vulnerable right now. He NEEDS her to work through that stuff first so that it’s legit. He wants her to want him, but he wants and needs it to be REAL because he has very real feelings involved here. He reads her better than ANYONE (and has from the start) and he’ll KNOW if something’s up and it’s not legit. He may want to believe it but he won’t let himself without a good reason, especially since she’s rebuffed his advances thus far (though nothing in a remotely final way, whereas her reaction to Neal in and outside of the cave pretty much screamed breakup speech to me).
Emma owes it to herself to figure everything out first, ESPECIALLY if that means having to fight with people she loves about her choice (you KNOW Henry’s not going to immediately be happy about this and he’s who she’s been fighting to rescue all season so I can’t see her turning around and going on a date right away). Also, this is from 3×11 which should be fast-paced, lots of things going on, cliffhanger time. So I am very very curious why she is wearing that outfit and going somewhere in the bug with Hook. Regardless of why they’re there or what they are doing, it is a GOOD sign for us because he is still right by her side, proving himself every step of the way, and eventually she will realize that.
In this type of situation, you don’t go into the right relationship and then decide to go back to the screwed up one. You go back to the screwed up one and then realize how right the other one is and that you took them for granted and never will ever again. (It’s also WAY more acceptable: going back to the ex is “safe” and “easy” and understandable because feelings were there that need to be sorted to move on. Trying out the new guy, deciding it doesn’t work, and THEN going back to the ex is exactly what I hated most about the Neal/Tamara situation and him never choosing until Emma was the only option).
I NEED MORE DETAILS!
I love that this season they’ve been doing the press releases after each episode for the next one instead of knowing so far in advance (especially jumping from 3×07 to 3×11!) but at the same time I reallly want some context for this stuff!
I can’t seem to wrap my head around why Hook and Emma (especially dressed like that!) would be driving around somewhere alone in a mid-season finale. Too much stuff is usually happening and they mostly walk around SB anyway. When was the last time we even saw anybody in the bug? Henry sat in it while they were in FTL, Emma tried to drive Henry out of town, Emma went searching for MM all over town, but for the most part she walks – so why is she driving around with Hook and dressed like that? Are we realllly getting a CS date at the mid-season finale when so much else is probably going on too? I NEED CONTEXT!
I swear the last couple days worth of spoilers are enough to fry my brain! We have so many things to work with and none of them make perfect sense yet! I wish some stuff hadn’t been spoiled though because as much as I love looking at it, some of it would have made for an even better surprise! Guess that’s what happens when they insist on filming outdoors in Steveston! It was fun while it lasted, theorizing off the crumbs without outright spoilers. Now I don’t even know what to make of them but I imagine Adam is getting tons more hate than usual in the last couple of days, and given his #nospoilers policy, he’ll be hearing about it for weeks before and after those episodes air. Poor guy. =/
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I can’t wait for any of it! Chomping at the bit for sure!
We’ve seen Hook open the Jolly Roger to Emma so it’s great that we’ll see Emma opening the bug to him!
Both have so much meaning to each of them but ALSO represent the past and I don’t see either saying “you have to get rid of it because it’s associated with ___” – it’s a part of who they are! So I’m taking this as a good sign.
I do feel bad for my SF friends as I’m sure they’re freaking out because it’s typically associated with them (and we never had the ability to do that about Hook’s ship because we never really cared so much for his relationship with Milah so it doesn’t bother us as much but in thinking about it, it really was an iconic thing for them too) but I do get territorial over shipper items (coconuts are in contention this season which is driving me bonkers) but I will not ask that Killian get rid of his ship (unless he wants to) and therefore I cannot ask Emma to ditch her bug even after choosing Killian (unless she wants to) – both of which are doubtful.
The history with these three is so intertwined it’s ridiculous. A lot of the things that Neal taught Emma may have been learned FROM HOOK for all we know. Some things are definitively associated with one side (I don’t see Emma and Hook sharing a dreamcatcher thing ever for instance) but with some things, like methods of transportation, what’s good for one is good for the other and they’re such iconic and important parts of what makes them who they are (and the struggles they went through living in each) that I have to make an exception to what is usually a hard and fast rule for me.
It’s sad that it does crossover but guess what, SO DO THE PEOPLE. I would PREFER for them to not have any crossover like that, but again – we can’t enjoy any moments for Hook & Emma on the Jolly Roger if we focus on the past and the same has to be true for Emma’s bug. There’s just no way around that and short of her getting back to Storybrooke and immediately trading in her car what else is she supposed to do?
I know this is rough and unfortunately a huge part of Emma was associated with her past (just like Hook and his ship), but a line has to be drawn somewhere. I still resent Neal using a RumBelle line, and I take issue with coconuts suddenly meaning Tallahassee/home for Emma & Neal *grrrr* instead of the coconuts that Hook and Emma shared (we had it one episode earlier *grumbles*), but with certain things there HAS to be some kind of crossover. Henry – non-negotiable. Obviously she can’t give him back and erase him from her life. She DID give back the swan keychain/necklace though which is the only time we’ve seen her give a keepsake back. Ever.
Believe me I would much rather see them make memories somewhere that ISN’T associated with EITHER of their past loves, but there has to be some crossover at some point because they are involved and can’t erase every little thing in their lives that relates to the past. They CAN however, choose to move forward and not FOCUS on the past. And again, right now that’s her method of transportation. The car is all she has and they’re on dry land so it’s not like he can offer his ship again right now.
I look forward to many more things in the future that ARE just Hook and Emma’s so we don’t have any of this mess. I’m sure a lot of fans are going to be really upset and sending Adam a ton of hate for daring to use such an iconic item (even though personally I associate it with EMMA since she actually lived in it the longest, regardless of who she met when she stole it), but I can see how that would be very very troubling and I’m torn as I can’t imagine certain things ever being shared with anyone else, but at the same time some things are just inevitable.
I can’t imagine Emma without the bug or Hook without the ship. It’s part of who they are. Hook let Emma onto his ship and now Emma is letting Hook into her car. If anything it’s nice symbolism and a reclaiming of things that are THEIRS and allowing someone new into their personal space and moving forward with their lives rather than focusing on & cherishing the past to the point where it consumes them and doesn’t allow them to move forward. Whatever right Neal may have once had to the car and his time there with Emma, it ran out when he didn’t come back after the curse was broken (likely how she feels about it but since we never got a conversation about it we don’t know for sure *grrr I’d love to have heard that*, and continued to try NOT to come back after that. Perhaps if he is witness to her driving the bug AND seeing Hook in the car we’ll finally get that convo? I’m sure it would pain him to see her not only choose Killian but see him in “their” car so it would make for drama.
I really really hate feeling remotely hypocritical because I can’t stand 99% of the time associating anything (other than a person) with conflicting ships but I don’t really see any way around objects LIKE THIS. It’s sad but true. Short of trading in both I’m not sure how you can erase everything.
Something to ponder: Does Rumple spinning with Belle get destroyed because he once taught Cora how to spin? Is the spinning wheel (a very big, iconic part of his past) tarnished by the fact that many many years ago he taught someone he loved how to spin and then ended up with someone else? NO – because RumBelle is TL and the past is the past and it’s a part of him and always will be but he’s MOVED ON to the point where IT DOESN’T MATTER anymore because he LOVES BELLE.
Here’s to more things we CAN call our own and have this be only the beginning! I still want context though. BIG TIME.
*cookies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Here’s the tweet with a picture of Hook and Emma standing outside the bug tweeted by the same person who first mentioned there being a scene in the first place even though they’re a self-proclaimed ST-shipper (seriously how nice to bother to take pics for people from other ships! I wish more would do things like that!
https://twitter.com/katmtan/status/398693622469517313/photo/1
But guys…notice what she’s wearing in that pic! Looks like a skirt! She’s wearing leggings and boots but it definitely looks a little bit more dressy than normal and when have we seen Emma in a skirt? (If we had it was very briefly and not in a meaningful capacity because nothing comes to mind except the dress in the pilot – this is not typical Emma Swan attire one way or the other). And why is she even WEARING a skirt to begin with?? But here we have her about to get into very close quarters in her bug, alone with Hook, wearing a skirt!
Similarities for Emma/Hook and modes of transportation that I just thought about:
Emma – bug
- She stole it
- It was her home while she was on the run as a thief
- It has painful memories for her associated with her first love
- Still a part of her life / is her main method of transportation and will always be a part of her / associated with her character (aka: it’s iconic Emma Swan)
Hook – ship
- He stole it
- It was his home while he was on the run as a pirate
- It has painful memories for him associated with his first love
- Still a part of his life / is his main method of transportation and will always be a part of him / associated with his character (aka: it’s iconic Captain Hook)
So to say that Emma shouldn’t have the bug if she doesn’t want Neal back, is to say that Hook should ditch his ship too because of Milah. Neal and Milah will ALWAYS be a part of what makes up Emma and Hook. ALWAYS. There will always be painful memories there but at the same time it’s part of what makes them WHO THEY ARE.
Also of note – they spent way more time ALONE in the bug / ship than they ever did in sharing it with their respective first loves. Hook had maybe a few years with Milah on his ship and then 300 years alone, and Emma shared the bug with Neal for…a matter of months perhaps? And over a decade alone.
Having the ship doesn’t make it impossible for Hook to move on and nor does the fact that Emma still has the bug. Especially if she’s going somewhere alone with Hook in it!
As for what’s going on with that spoiler pic, without context we don’t know if it’s good or bad but we DO know that Emma and Hook are alone in the bug which is awesome
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Not sure what this means yet but someone on set today tweeted that Emma & Hook were in her bug! The bug is as much a part of Emma’s life as Henry and Neal – a part of her that will always be there no matter what but I can’t wait to see these two together in a car! We missed out on Hook being in the same vehicle as Charming so this should be VERY interesting. Wonder where they were going and why they were alone!
For the record I’m a big fan of things belonging to just one ship. It’s kind of a big deal for me in most circumstances and one of the reasons I didn’t *love* the coconut map (even though it is kinda brilliant and cool) is because it started making coconuts symbolic of SF right after we had the coconut scene for CS. So I totally get why anybody would flip out about Hook & Emma spending time together in the bug (for whatever reason) because that’s considered a SF thing because that’s how they met etc, but it is ALSO a CORE PART of EMMA and, like Neal, a part of her past that isn’t going away even if she moves on with someone else.
Under normal circumstances, it would be majorly awkward to still be driving the car you met your ex in that you don’t want to go back to, but at this point of the series, it’s more closely connected to EMMA herself as a character than it is with Emma and Neal. I definitely was hoping for a conversation about the bug at some point, mostly the fact that she kept it, but it’s still a part of her past and for a long time, it was the only home she had (much like Hook and his ship which, by the way, was also the home he shared “on the run” if you will since they were pirates, with Milah aka HIS FIRST LOVE. Hmm, sound familiar?
Yay for new scenes & hopefully lots of bonding time in the bug! Can’t imagine where they’d be driving to or why they’re in the car but so happy to know they’re still filming together and closely at that! Most of the spoiler pics these days have been group shots but this is actually Emma alone with Hook in her bug! YAY! Guess they’re still on good terms then!
I need more info! And CONTEXT! And a new episode. Hate waiting so long to find out stuff but I want to see it in context too. Spoiler pics / comments from spectators can be so confusing and not always what they appear to be! At least we know that they shot together in the bug – now we need to know why and what was said so we know if it’s a super thing or not but psst – it will be!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Something is not right. They’re not killing off tons of people. Bracing myself for all the hate Adam’s about to get but there’s just…no way. Somebody has to be just injured or under a curse or faked their death or something because I’m pretty sure they’re not killing THAT many people!
I kinda feel like it’s a Dallas thing – in the infamous Who Shot JR? cliffhanger, they filmed every single person holding the gun so that nobody knew who it was, even them until it aired. Maybe they’re combatting the fact that so many people are there watching and they don’t want it to be given away?
Either that or they’re being their normal selves and just have no control over what the public sees in which case I really wish they wouldn’t do things in the middle of the street but this is ridiculous. And I have no clue how that last picture makes any sense either. Too much story left for Regina. Way too much.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
