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SO EXCITED! And uh…there’s more pictures?!? *flails*
And yes, them all saying how awesome this episode is just leads to that even more!
Can’t believe they’re giving this much to us before 3×04 airs though. I figured it would be more of a shocker hinted at in the promo and THEN stuff like this would come out.
They’re either really pumping up CS or trolling the fans and it better not be the latter. My shipper heart can’t take it.
One of the quotes I saw said that there was always meant to be a real pull for Emma between Hook and Neal setting up this triangle but this year they have majorly hyped CS so I’m going to be very disappointed if it was just to get us to watch. We were rabid enough to do so before they went to the effort of hyping every little thing!
So happy it’s finally happening and I have to believe she’ll make the choice I think she will but I know she’s going to be going through a lot to get to that point.
Whatever she does, it better be for HER own good and not so that Bae or Henry can get their happy endings. I want EVERYONE to be happy but sacrificing your happiness when you are the product of true love? Unacceptable, so that argument does not fly with me.
TOTALLY agree about the thing with Snow. We will see her freak out about the IDEA of losing Charming and that she wouldn’t be able to move on if he died. We’ve watched Regina SPIRAL for 40 YEARS because of Daniel’s death. Hook has spent 300 YEARS trying to avenge Milah’s death. Emma finds out Neal dies, goes off into the jungle and flirts with Hook and KISSES HIM when she takes awhile to kiss ANYONE and they have built it up as way more than a fling so it’s not just her needing comfort even though she needs that too. I just don’t get some people’s attitudes about it being OOC or somehow taking away from her mission. They are CELEBRATING a small victory and it’ll fluster the heck out of her and then they’ll go back but she won’t be able to deny that kiss. Remember, feelings between some of them will be “hard to deny” in the first few eps?? YES!
Seriously though, they’ve made a point of showing just how real this is for Hook. This is definitely not fling material AT ALL. Likewise, Emma has been drawn to him from the beginning. Otherwise she wouldn’t have locked him up the beanstalk. It freaked her out that she felt drawn to him at all and she pushed it aside for the sake of the mission. This time he’s working WITH them and PROVING himself every step of the way and she is APPRECIATING it and showing it! You don’t kiss someone you think might be in love with you if you don’t want anything to do with them unless it’s literally like a peck or here’s a sympathy kiss thanks for doing something amazing and THAT….does not look like either. That is hot, and full of passion and real desire on both their parts.
Love that this comes mere days after Regina made that comment. Something you don’t do when the snarky one thinks you’re dating someone you’re not interested in? (Besides sitting close by a fire and sharing coconuts?) Have a passionate kiss. And this is allll Emma’s doing. *headdesk*
I don’t know where we go from here. I have to believe everything will be ok even though I panic left and right. They are building both options on screen but only hyping one most of the time. I would think if they wanted to balance it out they would do a better job, and so help me PR department if you’ve been hyping the wrong half I will scream. I am prone to panicking but when I look at all the facts I still feel like it’s CS all the way.
Unless of course that one quote bites us: the right for you, wrong for you, and just choose. Cause right now I’m seeing Hook as all kinds of right. *deep breaths* Moving on to happy place.
WONDERLAND STUFF:
THAT QUOTE from the other show conveniently written by these guys! YES YES YES YES YES. That is exactly what I thought of. Now to be fair, on Wonderland I adore Knave and he is the more the Hook-esque character BUT they are not redoing OUAT and just plugging in names and pretending they’re all the same. Alice is not Emma and Cyrus is definitely not Hook OR Neal so it doesn’t really matter in this case. However, Cylice from the promo has given me massive CS feelings because of those quotes.
Cyrus and Alice remind me of SNOWING if anything. After all they’re the main couple we start with on Wonderland and have an “always find you” kind of vibe. Plus they have never been able to move on. Alice thought herself crazy and was willing to forget everything to stop that pain (*cough* Snow). Plus they have all kinds of great quotes about love about them including the one about not being able to move on if you truly love someone. There has to be a reason that H&K reminded us in the recap that Neal truly had moved on and did love Tamara (thank you for that piece of mind, now prove it on the show more blatantly!) AND that their bright shiny new show is re-enforcing that idea of love!
BACK TO CS Officially:
Seriously that bugs me. We haven’t heard him address it at all and I need him to. I want him to tell Emma how badly he screwed up so that she has all the facts. It’s not her job to make him feel better. She’s the one that was wronged, but if he wants to come clean, he should. But I can’t imagine Emma letting him slide on the Tamara thing. And no it most definitely does NOT get swept under the rug because Tamara was fake, are you kidding me?? HE LOVED HER. He didn’t know the real her, he didn’t know what game she was playing, but the facade that she presented is what he fell for and that is ALL on him.
Likewise, Emma did not really know NEAL because he hid so much from her (regardless of self-preservation reasons) but she DID love him. I think a lot of Bae was there, but every conversation about background was a lie or a twist of the truth and full of omissions. They’ll have to redo every conversation as based on the sneak peek for this week she’s starting to realize just how little she knew him.
It is very EASY to love someone when they present their best selves. Neal GENUINELY had feelings for Tamara even though he didn’t know the real her and once he did that all fell apart but he hasn’t dealt with that betrayal or hurt at all – if I saw a guy who chose someone over me, then 2 seconds after she betrayed him was all but I really love you so it’s fine, I’d be majorly concerned. Apparently getting engaged to someone and having them betray you is meaningless and it just makes Emma look like a rebound. Like a safe option since she’s not like Tamara. She deserves so much better than that! He has a ways to go to regain her trust in that way at all. She trusts him with Henry and may be able to forgive him eventually but forgiveness doesn’t have to equal fall in love with again. If that’s the case, then he better win me over along the way too cause so far I ship him with everyone BUT her (and that has nothing to even do with Hook!)
Likewise, Emma had GENUINE feelings for Neal over a decade ago and has a lot of questions about what the heck happened, but she’s realizing that they don’t really know each other. A LOT has changed in the last decade and on top of that, who he really is and who she really is never factored in before at all.
So yes, I will happily argue that Neal loved the version of Tamara that she presented but that doesn’t negate his feelings of love anymore than it negates Emma having loved him in the past. I’d just rather people fall in love and not have to hide any part of themselves and Emma and Hook are baring their souls to each other. They get each other, sometimes even without words, but they DO talk about the hard stuff but he doesn’t push the issue either.
Apparently there is some debate about whether Emma has actually allowed herself to move on (and Neal for that matter). Neal DID move on, we were specifically told that. He may have felt deep down a lot of regret for leaving Emma and not following her, and he has feelings now (how convenient since Tamara’s out of the picture). It didn’t work out, but he did love her. His regret line reminded me of Hook telling Bae that Milah regretted leaving him behind every day. That’s great – but she never did anything about it. Now that Tamara is out of the picture Neal finally is trying? That realllly bugs me.
Likewise EMMA tried to move on. She had a decade of not believing IN HERSELF because of how BROKEN he made her, but she gave up looking for him after 2 years, and tried to move on. She wasn’t blocked with Graham because she was in love with Neal. She still wears Graham’s shoelace on her wrist for crying out loud. Likewise we specifically saw that the ONLY thing blocking her from Hook on the beanstalk WAS HER PAST WITH NEAL IN THE SENSE THAT HE BETRAYED HER AND SHE COULDN’T TRUST HER INSTINCTS. I’m sorry but I thought that was painfully obvious that she was afraid to trust her instincts which were all telling her to trust him but then we saw the last time she worked with someone under similar circumstances and trusted them to have her back, she got hung out to dry. (That’s what it appeared like and felt like TO HER).
Emma is surrounded by and is the product of true love. She WATCHED the David/MM fiasco and looking back on it, she KNOWS that they were supposed to be together and it was their curse that made him seem married and he tried to do the right thing by siding with the wife, but he could not stay away from MM. Their pull was too strong. When did Neal ever choose her like that over Tamara? (It’s admirable he did a better job about picking a side and sticking to it than cursed Charming did. Not arguing that. Just that this is what Emma sees and hears. MM telling her if people are meant to be together they find a way does not equal hiding out in NY and getting engaged and moving on. It doesn’t.)
I’m sure I ticked people off saying I had CS feels over that quote in OUATIW but we have seen time and time again that Emma is battling with HERSELF and HER trust issues and she has attempted to move on. We don’t know what would have happened with Graham if Regina hadn’t killed him. She tried to deny she was interested in him and then had something short with him but it was real and painful for her when he died. She wasn’t treating him like a fling at all. She didn’t WANT to be emotionally invested because that’s how she gets hurt, but she did. She kept some of his stuff too, including STILL WEARING his shoelace. The Emma who enjoys flings? Wouldn’t wear that. (WHY did they cut the line from her to Regina about Graham’s death and can they pretty please bring it into a future ep??)
She’s surrounded by women who are grieving or have the idea they might lose someone they love and they flip out. Yet she’s just lost Neal for a 2nd time and is moving forward with someone she felt a pull to a year ago even though she was afraid to admit that. It’s not too soon, he was ENGAGED like a day ago, and they weren’t together FOR OVER A DECADE. She is completely single and sad as her world is crumbling around her and she’s learning she didn’t know the real guy to begin with and she’s sad for her son losing his father but that doesn’t mean she’s IN love with him now. I can’t wait for Emma to address that portal scene because I really feel like to her, that was her inner 17 year old (that had been so badly betrayed) getting closure.
I love and hate how we all see or hear the same things and read into them entirely differently and all think we’re right. But since H&K specifically told us that Neal had moved on and we are seeing Emma not only with Graham but with Hook trying to move on, I’m inclined to believe it even more than I did last season when I started throwing fits about it. Emma will remember that he was engaged and only chose her when Tamara was no longer an option. It doesn’t matter that she was evil. It doesn’t change the feelings that existed.
Fallout of the kiss and the triangle will be interesting. She definitely needs to talk to Neal a LOT and he does seem like he’s stepping up a bit more and will be helpful in getting Henry back and getting them all out of there but that doesn’t mean that Hook is suddenly going to disappear or is unimportant or that Emma will forget everything he’s done to help her. He hasn’t made her any promises that he hasn’t kept. He didn’t promise her a life and a sense of belonging and to settle down anywhere. In fact it was Emma who offered HIM a chance to be a part of something!
Right now, Emma just wants her son back. To her, he IS her home. He is everything. BOTH guys will have helped her get him back, BOTH guys clearly have feelings for her (even if one hasn’t finished dealing with his ex while the other gave up his revenge, his home, everything *coughs*), but this is Emma Swan. She’s going to take some time to process it and figure stuff out. It’ll take awhile because there is a GENUINE pull between her and Hook (can I just say how much I envy people with tunnel vision that never have to doubt their side because they literally can’t see the other even when it’s right in front of them? Majorly jealous).
I can’t imagine her getting her answers and then seeing Neal in dad mode and deciding he’s her true love after everything he’s put her through. I think she’ll genuinely appreciate seeing him fight for Henry and being a help and she’ll be happy for Henry and she might be slightly pulled at times to remember only the good stuff but falling back into that would be “easy” and “safe” which is what she called Regina’s “relationship” with Graham. She may try for Henry’s sake IF she can get past her anger and resentment and bitterness but I don’t see that happening anytime soon either. Especially depending on what happens after the kiss in 3×05 – I hope Hook has some words about it for sure!
I think she’ll see Hook stepping up just as much (and without having promised her the world and breaking it). I want to see more of Hook interacting with children. I adored his scenes with Bae and I’m hoping we get some good ones for him and Henry too. Not sure when Henry will rejoin the group or what the dynamics will be exactly when Neal rejoins them (based on what his actual history was with Hook when they last saw each other in NL, whether he picks up on anything between Hook and Emma etc) but I want Hook to bond with Henry and for Henry to appreciate his helping save him. I’ll be very upset if Henry acknowledges everybody but him since they’re family and Hook is sort of an outsider. However, Henry DID see Emma ask Hook very publicly to be a part of something and I’m hoping he realizes that Hook has changed for the better and gives him a chance. They haven’t had too much interaction but Hook is at the very least a friend of Emma’s so Henry should be nice to him for Emma’s sake. He didn’t have a problem being nice to Tamara until Emma said something was wrong.
With how much Emma’s got still inside her about Snowing, I don’t see her just leaping into Neal’s arms except maybe for an awkward glad you’re alive hug which he’ll read the wrong way unless he picks up on the awkwardness (or the longing looks between Emma and Hook – that doesn’t just go away even if they will feel guilty about it). He knows he’s got a lot to make up for and he’ll try but I hope his main focus is Henry. We’ll see.
I really want to just enjoy the new gifs and the hype for CS right now but I still panic from time to time. There’s a lot of good stuff for us right now but there’s also a chance that they go the other way too. I’ll be so much more upset about it though if they tease us like that and then take it away. I’ll love the show no matter what and find a way to find something good in it, but literally the only Neal/Emma scenes I’ve enjoyed have been as friends/co-parents. That’s where they excel.
New episode needs to be here now so I have more to dissect. My shipper heart can’t take much more, the fandom is making me crazy again and I’ve barely been back! I want to enjoy the CS stuff without hearing people gagging, is that so much to ask? If they really believe in their ship, then this literally does not matter and if they’re right about their ship, then this may be all we get. So let’s enjoy it because it will fuel the most wonderful of fanfics and videos that we can all focus on should the worst happen.
But in the meantime….I still believe…95% of the time anyway! Please let it all not have been for nothing! There’s no reason to build it up THAT well on both sides to guarantee to hurt someone that you still want to see happy. There isn’t. Every other triangle has been clear (so of course this is the main one I ship in *grumbles*). Even when people have gotten hurt in the other triangles we saw it coming. David ended up alone, Snowing were TL, Phillip/Aurora were TL, Rumple clearly is TL with Belle and had to have been miserable with Milah even though he held on for as long as he could. We knew all of those going in. Emma’s is the only one we’re being shown this way and watching it play out.
Trying to have a little faith. I should be THRILLED right now, not worried! May go hide in tumblr for awhile where I can block out all the other stuff. I don’t have time to be invested 24/7 right now, life is getting busy and things are going to get VERY heated over the next 2 weeks for sure. 🙁 It was remarkably peaceful for the first few eps though!
*slinks off to happy place but leaves cookies first and runs to look at the pretty pictures and enjoy them*
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
AllThatGlitters wrote: Stay positive! There will be ups and downs for any ship. I know SF fans are probably not as happy as we are right now but I’m sure they’ll have their moment. Right now it is our moment and we’re going to enjoy it!
That is right. Don’t let anyone take it away. Anyone who does, seriously, ignore them.
But… 
ALL OF THIS TIMES A MILLION!
Also, love that he responded to your tweet, even if it was only a “ha!” – at least it means he saw it and (I think) appreciates being our king! Looking forward to him being able to actually SAY how much he enjoys this storyline.
All of these characters are his babies but trust me, as a writer, seeing certain things come to life are super exciting and he hasn’t been able to be flat out say anything because he has to maintain a balance since shippers attack him for everything and we haven’t seen it proven yet. Once we’ve actually seen stuff play out, we get to see H&K be giddy about it like we are!
Today has definitely been an up and down day but we’re getting our moments slowly but surely and it is building! I really hope that we see that pay off!
I haven’t seen a recent master parallel gifset post for CaptainSwan/Snowing in awhile (any idea where one might be obisgirl? The last I saw was from S2 stuff only but it should have quite a bit added to it from this season. I seriously can’t wait for Hook backstory in 3×05 though! AND it’s the same episode as the kiss which should make it mean that much more – especially with all that emotion on Killian’s face. *swoon* You know this kiss is going to be supremely important to him. Preparing myself for all the heartstrings Killian will be pulling on in that episode for sure! And make no mistake, we’re seeing more of Killian now and less of Hook!
In honor of our moment in the sun: here’s to believing all along; for not being delusional; for making a lot of accurate guesses; for loving and understanding and appreciating BOTH Emma AND Hook; and to many many more CS kisses in our future, even if we have to wait for feels to kill us awhile longer! It won’t be easy and we’ve already had a long wait but we’re getting there. It’s not just the destination but the journey and we want to be on it for a long time to come. This is only the beginning! (Well, sorta – it’s the beginning of 100% officially canon and not just in our minds, how’s that?)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Agree on all points!
Really loving the idea that she might be Cinderella’s stepsister (especially since as far as I know, the movie Anastasia is NOT Disney).
I totally agree RG – she broke my Knave, not the other way around. 100%.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
There are so many parallels at this point I don’t know what we’ve caught much less mentioned at this point. I haven’t seen the master post on tumblr updated anytime recently either but I did find this today which gave me massive feels!
Tangled / CaptainSwan (I will forever love these two and think of them together, even though a part of me hopes we might see Zac Levi as Flynn someday). Anyways enjoy for what its worth! (They may not BE Flynn and Rapunzel, but it’s fun noticing stuff like this, even when it hits you in the feels!)
http://captainswan4life.tumblr.com/post/64332489960/you-were-my-new-dream-and-you-were-mine
Trying to stay positive. I’d have my ups and downs for days but I love our ship and it’s finally getting noticed and hyped and after a kiss (especially initiated by EMMA), they can’t say it doesn’t exist anymore (even if they don’t like it). I’ll take what I can get for now.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I like that we’re not being outright told no matter how frustrating it can be!
Charming HAS to go along with the belief that there may not be a cure and we’ll see how that affects him and the choices he makes. We’ve seen him have a tiny bit of hope with the pixie dust, and I totally agree that with people like Emma and Henry around, there’s always hope of saving him, even if nobody actually KNOWS of a cure for said poison right now.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
YES to all of the above. Seriously. I have NO idea how I slept last night (after staying up til 7 am flailing).
It is absolutely real and I’m so glad they confirmed that in the article cause 1.5 weeks is enough torture already!
(I hate articles that talk about what people said but don’t include the specific quotes that they chose to paraphrase so I take most of the article’s comments with a grain of salt, especially since it also said Neal was still in the EF, but they did at least say the kiss was real so I’m assuming that part is correct at least).
LOVE that Emma is the one to initiate it so there’s no question of her wanting it. If it had been Hook, you KNOW we’d be reading about how he forced her and blah blah blah. We are seeing (especially in that ep) more and more of Hook and who he really is and what makes him tick.
I really hope that when people see that (especially with such obvious chemistry) they don’t hate it as much as they are right now. (People are seriously flipping out and ruining my happy moment!)
Literally the only thing that makes me wonder about any of it is the context and what happens after cause I’m pretty sure our Killian heartstrings are gonna be pulled on this ep (for many reasons but especially after that kiss). Emma’s likely to throw her walls back up or pretend it doesn’t mean anything at first but I totally expect her to be flustered but she’ll focus on saving Henry which is a good thing.
I don’t know why people assume that if her focus is Henry that she can’t have bonding moments with anyone because clearly they have to sit and rest once in awhile and some big and important conversations have come out of that so far. It’s not like she’s ditching her mission to make out with the pirate!
The aftermath is what interests me the most. Especially given how hot that kiss looks. I don’t see them as being able to just ignore that and sweep it under the rug and pretend that they’re just best buds and there’s nothing there. We’ve been saying from Day 1 that there is something undeniable between them!
I have always seen that with Hook and Emma. We’re FINALLY getting the payoff of “Next time don’t stand on ceremony” and “It’s about bloody time” – though the latter may have to wait for an official choosing, we’ll see.
Either way, these two can’t be in a room together (or a jungle) without keeping their eyes on the other (and they would despair if they did!)
As per the sneak for this week’s ep: I totally agree. I love that we’re seeing a more vulnerable Hook and getting some of his past with Bae and SHOWING that he really does care about him. This is important. He’s not a monster. He thought the guy was dead, he’s had an attraction to Emma since before he knew ANYTHING about Neal, and he knows what it’s like to hope you can find love again and why not with Emma who he outright told that “love has been all too rare in your life.”
I totally agree that it looks like Emma is realizing more and more that she didn’t really know him at all – it’s sad for her. She’s looking around and seeing that Hook knows the real Neal so much better than she does. She knows something useful once in awhile, like figuring out the “night light” (rofl Regina!), but for the most part, he’s a stranger.
She’s ALSO seeing Hook’s pain. Remembering what he said to her on the ship and seeing evidence that he really did know him well. Hook mentioning that Bae got his drawing talent from his mother *sniff* – I hate her I really do but heartstrings for his sadness! It BONDS them. THEY UNDERSTAND ONE ANOTHER. She’s seeing a highly vulnerable side to him and knows he gets it and yet he STILL directs it back to her. “Are you alright Swan?” Seriously dead. He is doing absolutely everything he can the right way and still getting grief for it. I really hope that seeing his backstory in the next episode calms that down a bit.
The coconut thing. Cute idea to use it to hold the candle, love that and yes, it was Bae’s. But the coconut is also a symbol of CaptainSwan now. You can’t take that away from us. Putting the two halves back together it reminded me of a lot of things on tumblr where people have been comparing CS to the couple from the sequel to the Lion King (I can’t think of their names, I always loved the first one best but may have to reconsider!) But since they made a point of showing us the coconut scene last ep, and in this ep she is holding a coconut and it’s giving the map for home I just…a;sldfjds.
The home thing. There are so many reasons to think it is on either side that it’s ridiculous as this point. We all have something to hold on to. But most RECENTLY, her home has been getting to Henry. HE is her home. Hook has been helping or trying to help her get back to him TWICE now, but she has still said “Let’s go home” and now she’s holding a coconut talking about home after saw a scene that wasn’t really necessary last week involving coconuts. I mean, Tink could have been sitting next to Regina the whole time. Or she could have staring at Snowing being all cuddly and then gone to Regina and said look what you missed out on by not going to find that guy. But they showed us CS, with a long drawn out coconut scene for Tink to watch before going to talk about soul mates.
I’m just…I have no idea how I’m still functioning but I need the new ep now. I need more info, I need the promo after it, I need the episode following it and I need that kiss! Context people context!
Poor Adam is getting so much hate from people that don’t even watch the show because they read others interpretations of whatever and their friends are mad. I totally get it but can’t stand seeing Adam get attacked for stuff, especially out of context!
We HAVE to see how it plays out before we can analyze much (though goodness knows we’ll try!). We have a few details and can already screenshot-wise compare it to a Snowing kiss (yay!) but we still need the context and he keeps telling people that too. I know he wants them to watch and for everybody to be happy but the fact that he keeps drilling in the context thing is only thing that scares me a little, and even then I look at Emma’s side of things and can’t imagine her NOT choosing Hook.
I love Bae and Hook. I do. I want everyone happy, but it doesn’t MATTER what either guy is doing or what they want or even what they’ve been through that make them do the things they’ve done (ok it matters to US and our understanding of them and how we defend them). It matters what EMMA sees and thinks and knows.
She’s going to have to re-evaluate everything she ever knew about her life with every new piece of information she gets from her parents or Neal and she is seeing more and more that she never really knew the real him (and he did tell her that “If I had known who were you were I wouldn’t have gone near you.”)
Emma has lived with pain for a LONG time because of his actions, just like with Snowing’s. She knows that hurtful things were done with the best of intentions but that doesn’t erase the pain. So BOTH guys can want and hope all they want, but it’s up to her and what is right FOR HER.
Putting myself in Emma’s shoes, I can totally see her being flustered and off-balance and not wanting to deal with any of it once Neal comes back. But I also can’t see her going back to him regardless of his reasons for screwing up (royally) along the way. She’ll appreciate having ANSWERS (which is what I would want in that situation), but I don’t see her going BACK unless it’s under 1 of 2 circumstances:
1. She feels like she has to give it a chance for Henry’s sake or that she somehow owes it to herself or Neal to try and see it actually play out and then comes to the realization that they’re not who they thought they were and they’re better as friends.
2. Someone knows she’s gonna pick Hook and gets in the way and blackmails her like King George did to Snow forcing her to tell Charming she didn’t love him. (One parallel I don’t want to have to live through!)
I’m hoping that we don’t see either way play out personally. I want Emma to take a step back, deal with whatever else is going on, and BOND WITH CHARMING who knows what it’s like to be in the center of a triangle…twice over. He has experience with this. He knows how painful it can be and he’ll give her good advice.
She saw how screwed up things were with David/MM and Charming will be able to tell her to follow her heart and not choose someone out of obligation to anybody other than yourself. This is a season for Emma to find herself and what she really wants and I have faith that it’s Hook. I have to. He’s done everything right this year and is really stepping up and she is SEEING that and appreciating it (based on the kiss!).
She HAS to know he has feelings for her. That he was being genuine, yet she kisses him anyway? That would be WAY too hurtful if she didn’t mean it! Think about it: if the guy kisses her and she goes along with a little peck or something and is surprised by it, then it’s not nearly as bad as KNOWING HE HAS FEELINGS AND PULLING HIM IN FOR A HOT KISS.
This is Emma we’re talking about! She’s not unnecessarily cruel. She hasn’t kissed anyone in ages (goodness even knows before Graham!) and the last time she kissed someone, he died (same for Hook with Milah). You don’t watch Hook falling in love with you and then kiss him and say it’s meaningless – ESPECIALLY with Hook since he can read her so well.
I completely understand it being an adrenaline thing. You might do things you were otherwise too AFRAID to let yourself do in the heat of the moment than if you had time to think about it. But it’s over a victory and not because of a life or death situation (or so it sounds like).
It’s not he almost died and therefore he gets a kiss. Emma JUST explained this season about sometimes there are the things you say when you think someone’s dying and then when you have more time than you thought different things come out (like bitter resentment toward Snowing for instance even though we know she loves them, she hasn’t forgotten the pain). Wouldn’t THAT situation be considered an adrenaline-fueled moment? It goes both ways people!
I hate that they give both sides so much hope cause it sucks but I feel like they’re building up CS and I swear if they did that to distract us or make us watch and then pull our hearts out I’m going to be so upset (though not enough to send hate to Adam, ugh!). It has been CS buildup all the way this season and I have faith even though I’ve been burned badly before.
I will be paying very close attention to how Emma reacts and who she’s paying attention to once Neal is back in the picture. Yes they need to talk and she’ll obviously have to pay attention, but I mean in the quieter moments. The moments where no one else is looking (like Hook has done with her this season so far).
In Manhattan, with Rumple crumpled on the floor, Emma was looking over at a knocked out Hook with concern. When Neal asked her how she felt about leaving him behind she didn’t say she was fine with it or had no problem with it. She just stated she had done it before (which she already had reason to feel guilty about since she could tell he meant it when he said “actually no” in response to her accusation he would have done the same thing.
When Belle was hurt and there was an outsider in the hospital who may have seen magic and Hook HAD JUST DONE SOMETHING HORRIBLE *shakes him for stupid moves*, she was STILL worried about him. Sure she poked him as much as possible, but at the hospital she was all about getting him somewhere safe so that Rumple couldn’t retaliate (even though he had every reason to do so).
Rumple didn’t say he’d kill random innocent townspeople if she didn’t go with him. He specifically mentioned Hook. He knew she didn’t want him to kill him.
The bed thing? We’ve seen Snow sit on John Doe’s bed, and Emma sit on Hook’s. Not a coincidence. (Also the shackled to the bed thing, tumblr why do you give me feels? Last time Emma was in the hospital that we know of, she was shackled like Hook was – although in a far more extreme circumstance that no one should ever have to deal with!).
I really really feel like we’ve seen the slow build from the beginning (almost a year ago!) and we’re finally seeing it be blatant and obvious and undeniable. Hook can show interest in her all he wants and so can Neal fighting to get back to her, but it’s EMMA who initiates a kiss. That makes is completely 100% canon that she has some interest in him. NOBODY can tell us now that she’ll never be interested in Hook. Done deal.
I think in my deliriousness I’ve mentioned it before but what they’ve given us this season has been so perfect. It’s subtle, it’s going about things in the right way, building to something bigger (like a kiss!) and paralleling to Snowing more than ever and within the same episode (which is HUGE because it makes it more noticeable to those who don’t refuse to see it anyway). Now 3 episodes after that Snowing kiss they’re showing us a very similar one with CS? Yes please!
*Takes a deep breath* / *dying of feels*
I have to believe. I have to have hope that this hasn’t all been for nothing. I will be devastated but a kiss is definitely a huge step in the right direction! Emma is learning more and more about Hook and seeing the real Killian and it’s impressing her. We have to hold on to that. Plus they have had insane chemistry and couldn’t stay away from each other from the beginning even though they tried to (and Emma SPECIFICALLY cause she locked him up being too afraid to have a repeat of the Neal situation – you know: girl thieves with boy, girl falls for boy, boy promises the world, girl gets hung out to dry – which to HER at the time this happened, is all she knew).
EMMA has always put up walls against Hook because of Neal. He has always been their obstacle and I think the more she realizes that she knew an idea of him but that everything in her life has basically been a lie because none of it made senses, and the more she sees Hook as the one thing in her life she can count on and rely on (other than Henry of course) the easier that decision becomes for her even though she’ll have to deal with it eventually.
She will be flustered when Neal shows up and they have way more important things to focus on! I can think of someone in my life who that would apply to as well and I’d have choice words for and want ANSWERS and I’m sure it would come across as very jealous but I can tell you right now, as much as I’d love some answers there’s no WAY I would ever want him, and that’s without all the horrible things that Neal has done to Emma.
He’s not a bad guy and I’m sure he will learn and grow from all of this, but EMMA has seen these choices and now has someone in front of her making all the RIGHT choices. There’s no way either is going to be able to sweep it under the rug, no matter how guilty they feel once they know Neal’s alive and they don’t OWE him anything.
Emma has watched her parents (albeit when they were cursed) be in a similar situation and not be able to leave each other alone. They were drawn to each other. Deep down they knew they were supposed to be together (until David screwed up royally but such is the life of a cursed TL couple) and couldn’t stay away from each other. I don’t feel that pull with Neal and Emma but I do feel that with Emma and Hook. It is JUST like the triangles we’ve seen with Charming/David and I fully expect father/daughter bonding time over it.
Can’t wait to see Snow’s reaction to everything though. She’s going to have to re-evaluate where she assumes she knows Emma and how she’s feeling cause she’s not gonna see this coming. She may have before, when Neal was alive and around, but it’s like she has blinders on now because she projects herself onto Emma.
We should be seeing this week how Snow reacts to the IDEA of losing Charming. And this is of course after she TOOK A MEMORY POTION ONCE BEFORE BECAUSE SHE COULDN”T HANDLE THE PAIN OF LOSING HIM, and we’ve been watching Regina spiral for decades, yet this kiss is only a few days after Neal “died” and Emma has been able to smile and flirt and KISS someone else and she is NOT the kind that just goes around kissing people.
If they ever wanted us to even entertain the thought that Hook would be a rebound fling (but would be only too happy to oblige) they messed up. They built up feelings on his side too much that would make Emma a cruel person to play on. They made her wait too long too because if she’s upset and hurt and crumbling and just needed someone physically, that could have happened at any point before now and she could have “gotten it out of her system” but instead they’re showing us that they do in fact “make quite the team” and that he is supportive and doing things the right way and she is seeing something in him that she didn’t see before and she is LIKING it.
Emma Swan does not go around kissing people for the heck of it. They had that tripwire moment in Tallahassee where the woman emotionally scarred, only into 1 night stands, and falling apart worrying about her son could have done something then before knowing Neal would ever enter her life again. It was after losing Graham, going through an INTENSE magic is real phase. What did she do? SHE PANICKED because she might start having actual feelings for this guy and she can’t let that happen because she gets hurt when that happens. She pushed Graham away too at first but most people love them. Same with Snowing – they didn’t meet and fall in love. He trapped her in a net and she sarcastically gave him a nickname that just happens to suit him. They went on an adventure together and found themselves drawn to one another but couldn’t act on it right then. NONE of the TL couples have started out perfectly which is why I love H&K’s quote (joking…sorta) about TL starting by hitting someone with a rock (rock/compass, close enough!)
There are just too many parallels and camera shots and now a real kiss started by Emma *dying of feels again!* for it not to have a REAL chance. It’s not up to any of us, and it’s not up to Hook or Neal. They can do whatever they want and fight for her (and it’s about time she felt like somebody really had her back for more than a few seconds) but ultimately it is her choice. And if I know Emma like I think I know Emma, it’ll be emotional for a bit, because she has to figure things out but eventually she’ll realize the perfect guy is standing in front of her and yes he’s a pirate, but she’s underestimated him all along and he’s surprised her – just like Charming did with Snow.
*FEELS*
Must have faith, must have faith. I believe I believe I believe. No idea how I’m going to get through to next Sunday yet but I have to hope that when we see it play out it will be amazing and beautiful and that they were saving Hook for Emma (we’ve never ONCE seen him kiss anybody or say “I love you”) – they gave us a highlight reel of Hook/Milah and he has the tattoo and we KNOW he loved her deeply but they didn’t show us them TOGETHER that way. They saved him for Emma because that’s what’s important story-wise. (Whereas we HAD to see Emma & Neal to understand WHY she was reacting that way to Hook even though she WANTED to trust him and now actually is!) They established Hook’s life without making us watch it so that it would mean something when we saw it with Emma. CANNOT WAIT.
THE FEELS
*passes out cookies and rum and coconuts and beans and scarves and and /dies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Something I just thought of. When JMO was asked what her favorite episode was, she said “It’s always fun when you get to kiss somebody.”
Now, that totally could have been her reasoning…or a fun flirty way to tease us LIKE CRAZY. Or she has other reasons. Either way, it sounds like she said that 3×05 aka Hook’s backstory is her favorite episode! That just makes me even MORE excited for it. I really hope the context is wonderful and beautiful and that she gets totally flustered but it’s all cute.
Plus uh…last time we were teased JUST LIKE THAT? Was a drink…and we got 3 (and counting). Just saying…
Edited to add:
The episode in question? Airs 1 day before the anniversary of their meeting in 2×05 The Doctor.
2×05 – Meet
3×05 – Kiss
(Also someone pointed out on Tumblr that Snowing met in 1×03 & got married in 2×03) but of course, we play out in real time!
Also a way more interesting note I hadn’t even thought of? THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE SEE HOOK KISS ANYONE. We never saw him kiss Milah, the woman he spent centuries trying to avenge. Nope, we see him kiss EMMA. Now tell me that is not remotely significant.
Plus the last time she kissed someone, their fate ended up the same way as the last time HE kissed someone. THIS IS BIG FOR BOTH OF THEM. It’s massive.
Now, I would like to think they are not trolling us for ratings (and it would be rather stupid of them as I’m sure it just ticks off every other fanbase) so I’m going to hope that they’re doing this to get us excited for the pairing that is going to survive. Otherwise they’re doing a horrible job marketing Neal for this season and are in extreme stealth mode or something. Personally I’m going with VIVA LA CAPTAINSWAN.
*gives cookies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Not sure about the making it out alive part when we get images like this! I seriously want the context and to see her get all flustered and the emotion on his face in that pic is already killing me. Can it be Sunday yet so we get the new ep and the promo and then jump to NEXT Sunday so we can see this play out? Please?
Also welcome back to all the CSers who haven’t been here in awhile! We may be small (here) but we are mighty! It’s a good day to be a CSer, even if it just a kiss – it’s a start!
LOVE that she is initiating it though. And as Captain Eala pointed out, it is reminiscent of a Snowing kiss! I need this clip! I need it! I haven’t rewatched an episode right away in forever but I think this one will be a necessity. Lots of Killian feels and CS feels and…ahh, how am I supposed to function for the next 1.5 weeks knowing this??
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I hadn’t even thought of that! I’m still too incoherent to be looking for parallels to Snowing kisses yet! Especially since we haven’t seen it play out yet but I do remember what you’re talking about now!
Hook and Charming have more in common than they’d like to admit, just like Snow and Emma do.
Yay for more parallels between CaptainSwan and REAL Snowing! I expect lots of gifsets from that episode especially! Master gifset list will have to be updated this season bigtime. So excited!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
It’s real! See this thread: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/ew-com-spoiler-october-15-captainswan/page/3/
Let’s keep our fangirling in here as much as possible though. I think the other thread is mostly for general dissecting of what it all means and we can fangirl (a little more) safely in here without upsetting too many people. (Sorry you have to read everything RG!)
Ok this pic is seriously hot. Also (the article that goes along with it says this but) it’s real and she initiates it. Sounds like something good happens and she’s recognizing that he’s helping in a big way make this all happen. (It’s about bloody time!)
We need context. Massive massive context. We know it’s in 3×05 which is Hook’s backstory episode . We also know that Hook is impressing her with how much he’s been helping (YAY! She’s noticing!).
I’m more concerned with what happens after. This is Emma we’re talking about. The one who’s been so guarded. Her reaction to having just done that could be just about anything since she’s the one initiating it. She knows how Hook feels and does it anyway, but she might scare herself at having done so. I don’t want her walls to come back up too fast and I want him to keep breaking them down but I don’t know how much time they’ll have between that and when Neal joins them.
I need context. I need to see how she reacts. How he reacts. Does anybody see them? How do THEY react? I mean, we JUST had Regina call him her boyfriend and now, after not much time passes, she’s gonna initiate a kiss?
She’ll probably try to play it off but I don’t think he’ll let her get away with that. He knows her too well and she KNOWS he sees right through her. I fully expect him to say something about her walls and being too afraid (which will mirror what MM told her about Graham *RIP*).
Hook will see through her I have no doubt, and maybe it will make Snow take a closer look at how Emma’s behaving too? She called her out on the Graham thing so maybe if she HAS to see it (ie: she sees the kiss) then she won’t be so dismissive of it?
Emma Emma Emma. She initiates it which is a good sign but I could see her panicking afterwards too which has the potential to make things awkward and also the potential for there to be lots of emotional Hook. (Colin will be amazing. Just look at the sheer emotion on his face in that picture already and they haven’t even kissed yet!)
She’ll probably at least try to put her walls back up but we could get a lot of good conversation going and flustered Emma (Gremma memories *sniff*) as well as some hilarious quips from Regina.
I fully believe that Emma IS focused on finding Henry and that this is literally an adrenaline rush and something compells her to thank him in some way for doing something and she just can’t help herself (do you SEE the way he looks in that pic? who could blame her??) and then she’ll try to just focus on Henry again. She’s definitely not going to be walking through the jungle being all lovey dovey like she doesn’t have a care in the world but love finds people at the most unexpected (and often inopportune) time.
If anything, if she does put her walls back up, after making his feelings known about the situation Hook will probably just back off. He knows when to push and when not to. Just like he knew she needed a little space after fighting with her parents and listening to Rumple on the ship, and then went down later to share a drink with her that he didn’t even have to ask about. HE GETS HER. THEY GET EACH OTHER. CAPTAINSWAN IS BEAUTIFUL.
That picture is giving me all kinds of feels and we don’t get the episode for 1.5 weeks! We DO get the promo for said episode on Sunday night though where I will probably be flipping out. I wonder if they’ll tease the kiss? (Probably, this is the promo department that can’t keep much secret after all). I can only imagine the gazillion fics we’re gonna have this week on the kiss and each will be different!
Can’t wait to see how it plays out. I know a lot of my SF friends will be hurting and I feel bad I do, but it has been a long year of being told we’re delusional, and to get over our ship cause it’s not gonna happen, and here, after Snow reminded Regina that Emma JUST lost Neal, we have Emma KISSING Hook.
She doesn’t go around just kissing anybody. She’s no longer the fling kind of girl, she’s got a kid to worry about now, and being the Savior, and all that stuff. We’ve seen how Regina reacted to losing her true love and it’s taken her 40ish years to get to a place where she MIGHT be willing to move on. In 3×04, according to the promo, we are seeing Snow’s reaction at least the IDEA of losing Charming and she is FREAKING OUT.
I’d like to think that Snow will see the difference in that and realize that maybe Emma hasn’t been feeling what she’s projected onto her.
I just really hope they aren’t hyping it and it turns into a moment that ends badly. That’s my only fear.
Regardless though I am FREAKING OUT and can’t wait to see this moment in context. I need something good to happen for once. It’s our first official this is real and not just from Hook moment and we should revel in it. No idea how many we’ll get or what the future holds, especially once Neal gets back, but if we’re going to ship something like CaptainSwan, we have to settle in for the long haul and hope for the best.
*passes out cookies*
Now how am I supposed to sleep tonight knowing this exists??
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
