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Thank you for posting those!
There is so much more to this show than ships! They are writing STORIES and I could not agree more. The rants he got tonight make me sick and as a writer myself, I am appalled on his behalf (and this was a fairly good day for him on twitter too!)
As we’ve been discussing in chat, I really really hate when interpretations of things are presented as facts because people don’t remember if the quote in the article comes from A&E or the writer of the article. They just remember seeing it and being upset and feeling lied to when it doesn’t pay off and then they attack Adam on twitter with ridiculous rants accusing him of goodness knows what when he never said it in the first place!
Also love that the official podcast might be back. I have missed it. I’ll take listening to their real quotes and hearing their tone over reading somebody’s interpretation presented as fact any day. We’re all entitled to our opinions of what something means and that includes people writing articles but some of them cause more problems and Adam gets the heat for it.
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Interesting storyteller! I didn’t catch that but it reminds me of Snow twisting hers around when she was MM and thinking about David.
Only in Regina’s case, she hasn’t met the guy in question yet, just the idea that he might be out there somewhere and wondering what may have happened to him and what her life may have been like or could be in the future (if she hasn’t let herself lose all hope yet).
Definitely looking forward to these two meeting! Never thought I’d be this excited over a Regina ship but I’m sure it will be amazing. Also want more Robin backstory (and more of adorable little Roland) so this should be good.
LOVE all the edited pics I’ve seen showing them as a happy family and can’t wait til they won’t have be manipulated but are real pics!
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None of that makes…any sense. Why put the date on it from a week in advance? And does this meant that what they’re teasing with this pic is for 3×05 instead of 3×04 even though it comes out right before 3×04 airs? I’M CONFUSED!
I have no idea why they would label them that way. Here’s the magazine for the week ending on Friday the ___ which is a week away? Who came up with that idea! No wonder we’re all so lost.
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Agree on everything Obisgirl. (and thanks for posting the tweet so it was easy to find! More on that in a bit)
I enjoyed the sneak for several reasons but I still have major concerns, especially one that you highlighted.
Neal’s face when he was intent on doing whatever needed doing. He’s borderline desperate still, even if he’s calmed down slightly. He could go full desperate at any time and we don’t know what this conversation leads to since it should be fairly early on. It was either heroic, or borderline dangerous depending on what he has to face after that scene
I do enjoy him way more in scenes with Rumple and I want him to work on that relationship before focusing on anything else. (He conveniently forgot to list his dad when listing “all he has left” and he’s wrong. His father and his son are the highly important relationships in his life that he HAS to fix. He can hope to fix it with Emma but he’s been fairly realistic recently. However, that leads me to…
The look on his face when Rumple said nonchalantly, that he left the rest of them (including Emma) on Hook’s ship. Neal looked very uneasy but not freaked out worried like Emma was in any danger or anything like that. He almost looked sad. Which is realistic since he has to know she thinks he’s dead and now she’s spending time with a charming pirate (one who he used to be close to when he was more Killian and less Hook before the sketch was found).
It’s encouraging that he doesn’t want to go out of his way and kill for no reason (and some of the lost boys may once have been his friends for all we know) and that’s more of a thing his dad would do than he is, but he definitely concerned me with how desperately he could easily become. Rumple called him out that he didn’t have it in him to do what was necessary and Bae kinda scared me in that moment. It could have been very heroic or lead us down another path. This is near the beginning so we don’t know what he’ll face yet.
I do think this means that we’ll get backstory on Hook and Bae leaving NL and it sounds like there’s definitely a way to beat Pan and I’m excited to see that. I also want Rumple/Bae to focus on repairing their frayed relationship. I enjoy those things. It doesn’t make me less concerned about the consequences of actions that were NOT intended. I don’t think Neal has lost all of Bae’s goodness by any means. It doesn’t stop it from going down the slippery slope though or having something bad happen that he didn’t think could be a consequence.
That tweet: Ginny is a huge HP nerd (love it!) and it seemed like an odd comment to make otherwise. As far as I know (I asked RG, the knower of all things filming *gives cookies*), and they were filming somewhere around 3×05. So interesting that after 3×04 she would make that kind of comment AND suddenly be using CaptainSwan in a positive way considering how against it she was before. She could have easily said hey, have some JMO & Colin! Or here’s CaptainFire or MRJ/Colin.
Makes me wonder if something was happening around that time to make her change her mind since Snow is still clearly in the “she just lost Neal” phase *shakes Snow* – it’s not her place to say what Emma is feeling! But even though Ginny is still in that headspace, she may have read the scripts for what was going on with others (we know she does since she knew about the SleepingWarrior thing) so perhaps there’s something that is happening along the way that is changing her mind!
She’s in the headspace of anti-Hook but she’s also been known to not love all things about her own character like how ridiculous it is that Snow gives Regina a million and one chances and is still so optimistic about it, so maybe she’s either seeing that Hook is really stepping up right now even though SNOW doesn’t feel that way yet, or she read something in the script (possibly for 3×05??) that gave her reason to not hate it quite so much.
Also makes me wonder what might happen in 3×04 that has her calling him “voldemort jr” – I get it because it’s a play on who Rumple can be at times but uh…what exactly happens in 3×04 that takes it that far when he was far worse elsewhere? I think it could be a clue from her HP-loving heart for all we know. (Or it’s totally wishful thinking but I’m looking forward to it regardless!)
I want them all to redeem themselves and that includes Rumple who is FAR away from it, much farther than Neal would be because I don’t think he’s quite there yet (last week was questionable, I NEED to know that Roland is ok). But then I go back to Desperate Souls and remember how wonderful Rumple was, and had the best of intentions TO SAVE PEOPLE and it just went bad. Plus the whole once you start down that path thing…still worried.
I do enjoy the father/son stuff though so I’m looking forward to it regardless, and I love seeing young Bae. Dylan is amazing…though I didn’t care for the whiny attitude toward Hook once Bae found that sketch. I get he was upset but he was really annoying about it, similar to Henry when he told Emma she was “just as bad as Regina.”
Anything could happen and I really hope that we get at least a couple subtle little CS moments this week like we have been. I agree that the focus for 3×04 seems to be Rumple/NealFire and 3×05 Hook (finally! It’s about time that we see the more sympathetic background so people can treat him more like they do with Rumple or Regina. I hate seeing only 2 of the 3 defended when they’ve all done horrible things) and I really like the idea that they are back to back for a reason. It would especially interesting to see that Neal could go down a slippery slope depending on what happens in the REST of 3×04 and THEN see how good Hook is becoming. He’s really stepped up this season and that makes me so happy!
All in all, I need it to be Friday and Sunday like now. Seriously. (And especially the promo next week of course!)
I worry but I have faith still. We need to see this dynamic play out as they are important characters but it doesn’t necessarily affect anything with our ship. This season has been all about belief and what happens when you choose the wrong way to go about getting what you want and we keep seeing Hook doing things the right way and surprising everyone and being SELFLESS instead of SELFLESS which JMO (who is more in Emma’s headspace than any of us) has said that he is surprising her.
I really really love that Emma expects things of Hook because she expects them of Neal and now she’s seeing that Hook isn’t what she thought but is BETTER than that. Much like the audience, when we expect the best of someone and they slip even a little bit, we get upset with them, whereas people we expect to do bad things but start to do good we are hesitant to trust. That said, I think Emma would be very very upset with Neal for the Roland thing (which is bound to backfire, he’s 4!) whereas Hook, the man she was afraid to trust DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF NEAL’S ACTIONS, is showing her REPEATEDLY that he’s in this.
I need some CS scoop for this week though, badly. There were barely any pics and I’m not sure how much of that group we’ll get to see since a lot of it seems to be Rumple/Neal & Rumple/Bae – the group is with Tink but it doesn’t seem like there will be a lot of time for them. It’ll be interesting to see what they actually highlight within that for Emma and what is going on around her.
Still trying to figure out why the picture is coming out THIS week and not next though. I expect next week to make up for this one 10 fold shipper-wise (though I’m still looking forward to studying this one with a fine-tooth comb), but does something happen this week in the little bit of time we should be getting with the group? Is there some build-up to a kiss that is actually more likely to happen next week? Are we a week off on our guess and it could actually happen with this one? (Which would be a shock). Maybe there’s a reason that we haven’t gotten many pictures including any of them alone yet, just with the group talking.
Also, what are the odds of us getting another drink scene?
If we get another moment like the coconut scene, in an episode that is once again fairly light (I’m guessing) on CS, then it should be significant and the promo should be amazing. Can it be now please??
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I really think somebody either made a goof as to which land its in, or started saying we first meet Ariel in Neverland and ended by saying she first meets Snow when she saves her (something does NOT add up and it’s either they weren’t familiar with the show and heard “she’ll be in NL cause of mermaid lagoon” and ran with it, or they just typed the wrong place).
I …have no idea what to think. Either someone is very confused and they’re making us confused…or something is very very strange.
Love that she made a fuss about crab being served (Sebastian is one of my favorite animal sidekicks of all time).
Sounds like Ariel will be perfect though and I’m super excited about meeting her.
Very interesting that they can be granted legs one day a year! Looking forward to finding out more about the details for that particular deal and how it factors in with everything else.
Also super super excited to meet her “beloved Prince Eric” – Gil McKinney seems really awesome from twitter and I can’t wait to see Prince Eric in action. Loved the ballroom dancing pic and want more!
Also totally unpopular opinion around here but I’m glad that it at least *sounds like* they’re keeping them together. I’m mostly just thrilled we’re getting answers this year regarding a lot of couples so that we can all stop getting our hopes up for things. I’d rather be excited to see how they’ll all play out / stay together than fight over who should be with whom!
Plus headcanons and fanfiction are totally fun too so whichever way it goes with Ariel or anybody else, we’ll always have those.
Side note: one of my potential projects for Nov’s NaNoWriMo is actually pirate or sea captain/mermaid – really loved the idea when it was still possible Hook was being double-dipped as Eric (I can love the idea even if I don’t want that story with those characters. Goodness knows I’ve done it before with this show). We’ll see if I can stretch it out into a novel and if not, I may just post it as a short story if I end up going with that project.
Either way I’m excited to see how Once’s mermaid love story plays out!
So many tword problems right now but at least we got a tiny bit of information regarding presumably Ursula! Legs once a year thing is definitely interesting. That deal is probably rather pricey though…
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Aw thanks guys! I know I can be long-winded and I try to cover things from different angles than I have before but sometimes I just can’t remember. So happy we have 11 weeks of new material in a row this season to work with and glad someone enjoys my rambling from time to time!
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I could definitely see that. It would make sense to have that be close to the end of this half season but not necessarily having to be the last ep which will probably be more a mini-finale covering a bunch of stuff.
Granted it never said they’d be centric either, just that we’d see more of their early days and that it would somehow be relevant. My head is spinning trying to remember which numbers go with which titles now and thoughts are going everywhere. Sounds like we have a pretty good idea about things but then they’ve managed to keep more under wraps this season with less sneaks and hoarding the press releases and stuff (which frankly, I’m happy about as much as I want more news. I’d rather be teased and have time to speculate than outright spoiled any day).
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*RG prepares more smelling salts for CSers in case EW has lied to everyone and there is no CS picture*
Thanks we’re gonna need it! Actually everybody will in a way since we were all promised SOMETHING to work with. Especially since they mentioned the part about “not allowed to say more than that” – talk about mysterious & important! They better have something or people are gonna riot and never trust them again.
I still say it doesn’t make sense (so far) to have it come out right before 3×04 as I don’t know what it could relate to but I suppose it could be something unexpected since we’re still trying to figure out the ep. Maybe like last season when the RumBelle phone call would have been a surprise had it not been in a sneak peak?
There better be something though. This is tiding me over til Sunday so I will be highly disappointed if there is absolutely nothing to go on on Friday!
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Oh right! I totally forgot we did know what 3×09 was. Brothers theory could work as to why we’d see him twice, that makes sense.
As to the different timelines: Snowing absolutely is in all of them! That being said…the question was specifically about flashbacks and they said:
Yes! We’ll get more of the happy couple’s early days and we’ll also get to see more of Bandit Snow.
which is what I was going off of. So it sounds like we’ll get some of their early days when it’s relevant to what’s going on now, and we’ll also get Bandit Snow but that they don’t necessarily have to be in the same episode. At least that’s what I think based on the way it’s worded.
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Traditionally Robin Hood is on King Richard the Lionheart’s side. He’s loyal to the true King and the fact that the lion is part of a shield in his tattoo leads me to believe that this is still the case. Whether King Richard is still around in this version of the story only time will tell, but he has definitely had the tattoo for awhile.
I’m not a huge fan of tattoos but I did enjoy the fact that he had the lion shield on his wrist. Robin is nothing if not loyal and he stands up for what is right vs what is easy. I think he’s going to be a great influence on Regina and he knows how to garner loyalty from his men which is something she never got the hang of. I think she’ll be VERY impressed by him and he can handle her.
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