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MysteryKat25Participant
VERY interesting & thorough!
TINK VS NOVA:
Perhaps Tink is dressed differently than Nova and they live in different places according to their jobs like you suggested. We saw Nova up in the clouds which would be a good place to watch over everything from a distance and Tink’s home we saw was in a flower. While that doesn’t rule out Nova living in a flower, it doesn’t cement it as definite yet either.
Tink IS dressed very differently from the others so I like the idea that it’s because of job type. Her dress being more like leaves would make sense if she’s a different type of fairy / lives inside a flower.
BLUE FAIRY:
Where to begin? She was called “the original power” and more powerful than the Dark One but we haven’t seen anything that backs that up yet. We just know that fairies live a long time cause she’s still around and has been since before Rumple became the Dark One. If she’s the original power, goodness knows what happened to her as she (seems) helpless without her wand (or so she says).
There are so many different opinions on her. She’s supposed to be powerful and good but we haven’t gotten to see a lot of her story yet. We’ve seen her lie. We’ve seen her help some but not others. Even going off of her speech where she basically got Rumple thinking along the lines of the curse, she says there’s good and evil and she’s on the “right” side – yet never specifies which one that is (and everyone thinks of themselves as being on the right side, even villains, right?)
Magic has been waning for awhile now. Even before Bae went through the portal, the magic beans and magic trees seem to be going out of existence. Perhaps her power has been waning over the years as well?
She definitely seems to be the woman in charge of fairies though. She’s the direct superior (as far as we know) of both Nova and Tink even though they seem likely to have completely different jobs. Nova was training to be a Fairy Godmother but we don’t know about Tink. Do all fairies have the same job? Do they overlook different areas?
Blue’s area of expertise is supposed to be granting wishes for those with the truest hearts, but not necessarily everyone.
In fact, some have argued that it doesn’t make sense for her not to help Regina because it would have helped her get AWAY from Rumple which would hinder his plans for the curse he told Blue about working on AGES ago and it would have set Regina down a path of love and not hate. She would have been out from under Rumple’s thumb but Blue wouldn’t allow it.
Which goes back to the Sneaky Fairy is Sneaky theory held by many that she was helping to orchestrate everything. I feel like H&K said a long time ago that the BF was good and genuinely trying to help people so maybe we just haven’t seen enough yet or there’s something bigger going on that isn’t actually evil with her. Perhaps she’s been manipulated or burned along the way. After all, she did everything she could to help Bae with his father and look how THAT backfired on her. We do know for sure though that she did not have her memories during the curse. She did have some “final preparations” before the curse was enacted though and those remain to be seen.
LOVE:
It would appear that fairies do not fall in love. Nova was the exception to this rule.
NO NONSENSE:
Blue is a stickler for the rules! She threatened to take Nova’s wings away and she actually did so with Tink. It makes me wonder if she’s the only one with that can. It was interesting that Snow actually told Tink “I believe in you” and it did nothing so I presume if Tink goes back with them to SB and somehow proves herself to Blue she might be able to get her wings back.
Either way, Blue does NOT put up with a lot of nonsense. She’s very strict and seems to be in charge of all fairies.
COLORS OF MAGIC:
When Rumple does magic in general, his is a weird purpleish color. It’s most noticeable in the smoke used. I’m not sure if everyone doing magic has the same color (been awhile since I looked at it) but I feel like they each have their own unique shade of magic, so the wand turning purple in Rumple’s hand doesn’t surprise me at all. I’d have to go back and document the others though. I tried to a long time ago and have completely forgotten it all!
APPEARANCE:
Very interesting that they all have similar styles, even if it’s just the hair or the outfit. I suppose there’s a general fairy dress code and maybe they can style it slightly within that but tend to gravitate to the same thing.
Blue seems to appear when called for or when she hears a wish from someone she deems worthy of her help/time. Tink and Nova both seemed to be off doing whatever they wanted and happening upon something that interested them. Nova is a bit more scatterbrained and screwball-esque and needed help, whereas Tink is a bit more mischievous and probably just wanted to know why Regina was tossing herself out a window so helped her. Not sure if either can be called by anyone though. Perhaps by Blue at the very least.
NAMES:
It’s very interesting that Blue calls Tink “Green” – it’s almost like a rank or one of those non-names so you don’t get too attached so something. Instead of calling them Fairy 1, Fairy 2, they’re color-coded (which obviously upsets the rebellious Tink who has a name and wants to use it).
IN STORIES:
I’m not familiar with a ton of stories involving fairies but I always loved the three fairies in Sleeping Beauty. Interestingly enough, we’ve now seen blue, green, and pink fairies though I highly doubt that they’re the same ones!
Conclusion:
Hopefully we get some more info in the future, and I think we will of both Tink and Blue (and possibly Nova if it becomes relevant to a future Grumpy storyline or something). Tink is with the group right now so we should find out how she fits in with any PP or Hook backstory, and Blue…well, we have a lot of questions that need answering!
The only time we’ve seen fairies other than Blue, Nova, or Tink, was when they were all part of the rescue attempt in An Apple As Red As Blood where they were on Snow’s side. Also Blue is a member of Snowing’s council so she’s either very crafty and got herself into a good spot and has been pulling a VERY long con, or she actually is one of the good ones. Either way, the fairies listen to her (or are supposed to) and they helped Snow try to rescue her prince. So that’s something.
LOVE your analysis and can’t wait to see what other intel is gathered on the subject. Now that we’ve seen more than 2 fairies we can put more together and maybe something will click that gives us theories for other stuff!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantFreaking out!!! I know I’ve already posted here twice but uh…this was just brought to my attention!
Under a spoiler. It’s one of those Q&A things on various shows but here’s the important snippet!
Question: “Once Upon A Time scoopage, please? – Carrie”
Answer: “Speaking of romance…sorry if I’m being a big tease (that’s kinda the point, right?) but Captain Swan fans should pick up the issue of EW on stands Friday. There’s a photo in there that you’ll want to see. That’s all I’m allowed to say for now.”
Like I said, FREAKING OUT! The Q&A show article can be seen here: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/14/bones-arrow-ncis-vampire-diaries-spoilers/2/
SO EXCITED! Wonder if it might have to do with the kiss?. And if not, then what could it be?? It’s coming out before 3×04 though which is interesting. We won’t know anything til Friday (boo) but we can theorize in the meantime! It sounds like it should be VERY good for us though so here’s hoping!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantSlurpeez – I’m inclined to think since they say soul mate and not true love that it means that you can love again once your true love is gone. So hypothetically you can have more than one soul mate. (Also one of the reasons I liked the pixie dust – it just said soul mate if I remember correctly).
I think since we were shown Daniel telling Regina to love again, it’s a nice hopeful message, so that those who have lost their loved ones aren’t destined to live alone forever. It may be possible to have more than one true love but maybe not at the same time? IE: Robin & Marian, Regina & Daniel, but also Robin & Regina (but not until they’ve both lost their other loves).
Typically Robin loses Marian after not much time so it’s nice that he too is getting a 2nd chance at love. As I’ve said in another thread, the pixie dust showed that Regina and Robin Hood were soul mates but it never specified when. Perhaps everything happened the way it was supposed to and now that they have both loved and lost, they might have more to bond over than they otherwise would have had. It’s only NOW that Regina is even close to being ready for something like that. She had to grieve Daniel for a long time to process everything, and on top of that knows she screwed up with Henry but is fighting to correct her past mistakes. We don’t know much about what Robin Hood has gone through other than losing Marian and being a single-dad running around with his Merry Men but maybe they weren’t right for each other until MUCH later down the timeline…give or take 40 years (most of which was under the curse).
As for what names are used elsewhere: too many, that’s what. Some who have been theorizing for months are using one thing, overnight shippers are using another. It’s a mess. So many options! I think most are trying to stay away from using Evil___ because they’re hoping this is the redemption arc for Regina so something Regal or Queen would probably work better, but even then there’s RegalHood, RegalArrow, HoodedQueen, HoodQueen, OutlawQueen. My head is spinning and I don’t know what to call them. I feel like maybe we shouldn’t use RegalHood though because that abbreviates to RH which would be confusing since it’s the same for just Robin Hood himself. If that helps anybody decide on anything…
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MysteryKat25ParticipantQuestion: why would Rumple need the squid ink if Bae hasn’t gone through the portal yet? Bae doesn’t go straight through to NL when he does or Rumple could have followed and found him. So does some of this stuff happen BEFORE Bae goes through, and then one of the first things that Rumple does after that is go to NL and get squid ink (and just barely miss Bae showing up there?)
I’m just not clear on why he would even need the squid ink yet in 3×04.
Interesting idea Phee! I could definitely see Charming hinting around at the idea and Snow trying to squash it right off the bat, causing him to hide it even more. I coulda sworn I saw something about it “taking its toll” on Charming but that doesn’t mean it’ll be super obvious to Snow just yet.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI think it confused a lot of people because it seemed like at least for part of Season 2 she was in love with Phillip and then she got to be close friends with Aurora and we don’t know what all happened while they were off rescuing Phillip but things seem to have changed and her affections switched to Aurora.
I didn’t expect it to end well for her either way (she was either going to tell Aurora and hope they’d run off together, ditching the guy they just rescued who supposedly meant so much to them, or she was going to go tell her new best friend that she’s in love with her husband – neither of which is good), and on top of that Phillip & Aurora have been proven True Love at least once (we don’t yet know what was required to rescue Phillip from the wraith medallion) and it was right in front of Mulan (in fact it’s literally how she met Aurora to begin with).
It still baffles me actually that people forget about that and are now complaining that Aurora ISN’T running off with Mulan, ditching her TL husband whose baby she’s carrying, yet freaking out about the hint of adultery from Tink wanting Regina to run off with Robin Hood years ago. This fandom I swear…
Either way it was heartbreaking for her (unrequited love sucks) and I have high hopes that she’ll find who she’s truly meant to be with, but I think in this particular instance, she was definitely in love with Aurora. Like Phee said, she used a line Aurora said previously.
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October 15, 2013 at 12:28 am in reply to: DISAPPROVE of Tink encouraging Regina to commit adultery #215997MysteryKat25ParticipantYoung Regina didn’t want power. She didn’t want magic. She wanted to get as far away from her mother as possible and she was in love with Daniel and wanted to run away with him and I don’t think she would have cared about the money much either because she was HAPPY.
The ONLY times that she was remotely mean to him were when she was trying to HIDE HIM from her mother. She didn’t want Cora to suspect that something was going on with them. Regina & Daniel are not Guinevere and Lancelot. She hadn’t married Leopold at the time she was trying to run away, he had just asked her to marry him and her MOTHER accepted on her behalf. They were barely even together so I’m not sure I’d even call it cheating but more of a gross misunderstanding of something she did not agree to. (It wasn’t the best way to get out of having to marry him, but her mother wasn’t an easy woman to get away from, clearly).
Robin Hood is already an outlaw, or should have been by then. He seems to accept other outlaw types into his group, no question. We saw that when he invited Mulan in. He’s never been one to have to have the approval of those in charge. He does what he feels is right. Since he is usually portrayed as an outlaw, and seems to be here as well since he does have his Merry Men, I would have to say he’d probably have been fine with it if truly in love with her.
I think I pointed this out earlier but the pixie dust just showed that they were soul mates. It didn’t specify when. Regina had already lost her last love – Robin Hood had not. He, like in the typical stories, married Marian and had a child and then she tragically died. That’s what usually happens anyway. So now, both are free and have a shot at exploring the fact that they are indeed soul mates. That doesn’t discount her love for Daniel, or his for Marian, but the idea that they have lost love and aren’t destined to be alone now because of it. In fact I quite liked the idea that they said soul mate and not true love. Daniel told Regina to love again and I think the fact that both of them have loved and lost will make them appreciate and understand each other better than a runaway Queen and an Outlaw.
I definitely don’t like the idea of cheating and I’m certainly not defending the actions of anyone. I’m just saying that technically speaking, Regina was only engaged for like 5 seconds because CORA said yes to it and then Regina wanted to run off because it was literally the only way to get away from her mother and the FORCED betrothal that wasn’t her choice to begin with. That I’m ok with. So it wasn’t relatable at all to Guinevere and Lancelot because Regina was NOT married at the time. When Tink suggested Robin Hood she WAS which makes it a highly questionable suggestion but not surprising from Tink. Either way both Regina and Robin Hood are free and clear NOW without any of these pesky adultery questions plaguing them. Everything happens for a reason and the timing wasn’t right.
If you look at it this way, every adulterous relationship on the show has ended badly:
Hook/Milah – Rumple ripped her heart out & crushed it
MM/David – she broke it off & he was going to leave town because he didn’t believe in her like she did in him (note: cursed selves was an adulterous relationship but Snow/Charming WERE still married. However for purposes of this discussion, it still counts because it played out realistically & completely while still under the curse).
Regina / Genie – fake relationship and Genie was manipulated into killing for her but to him, it was still a relationship and Regina was still married to Leopold when it started and Genie ended up getting stuck in a mirror after being used and tossed aside.
Regina / Daniel *(starred because of difference between adultery & cheating but I’ll use it here anyway, see below) – Cora ripped his heart out and crushed it
*Slight difference between cheating & adultery. The main examples were actually adultery since marriage was involved, whereas Regina was NOT married to Leopold at the time. The idea still stands though that it’s not the way to get your happy ending as it ended badly like the others.
I’m sure I probably missed a couple but the point is still there. They are big on finding TRUE LOVE and SOUL MATES and about doing things the right way. It has ended badly when people weren’t free and clear to be with the ones they really loved and we’ve been shown instances where they chose NOT to marry the wrong person as well (see Charming & Abigail). Others, like Regina, were manipulated into marrying someone they didn’t love and that ended badly too.
I completely get why it’s leaving a bad taste as I too don’t approve of the idea of cheating (much less adultery!) but I think it would be unrealistic to not have a single character suggest or participate in such a thing. The fact that they continue to show us how badly things that start like that end is a GOOD thing. I don’t think they’re pushing an adultery thing at all. In fact quite the opposite.
The “happy ending” they’re all searching for is to fall in love and get married and live happily ever after and they’ve shown us time and time again that doing the wrong thing, even for the right reasons, ends up badly, including relationships that stem from cheating/adultery (whichever word is applicable at the time).
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MysteryKat25ParticipantGood catch on the shadow Phee.
All very interesting questions which also brings up two other exceptions to the general rule of boys only: Wendy and Tink. Now, we saw that Neal was able to take the place of Roland so Wendy makes some sense regardless of who they were after (though it looks like they were definitely hoping for Bae – probably to keep him there long enough so that someday he could meet Emma and create the boy with the heart of the truest believer. Starting to think PP is one of the most important characters / orchestraters of everything which really, shouldn’t be a surprise since it’s H&K’s favorite story. They just had to gamble they’d get the rights is all. Glad it’s all sorted though!)
Now, Tink: How did she end up there? The shadow goes for boys and unless there’s something we don’t know about who she might have been spending time with, I don’t know who she might have taken the place of which leads to my theory on her. Since we know the words to call the shadow are similar to dealing with fairies (“I believe,” since saying that Blue no longer believed in Tink took her wings away), what if…Tink, in trying to get back her wings, made a desperate attempt to believe in HERSELF and get her wings back (probably just saying it in a wishful thinking sort of way and didn’t expect it to actually work) and then the shadow comes out of nowhere and carries her off?
Snow did say that she believed in Tink and it didn’t give her her wings back which adds a bunch of other questions like CAN she get her wings back? Does Blue have to be the one to say it as her superior? Do multiple people need to believe in Tink cause the group seemed pretty trusting of her and nothing happened? (I’m inclined to think it might be part of her redemption story after going to SB with them down the line if she doesn’t betray them and then making amends with Blue possibly. If this is the case, I’m curious to see how they get home as I figured Tink would have a hand in it, but possibly it’ll be pixie dust in general – I just want the ship to fly!)
It’s definitely interesting that the shadow is still out recruiting. It spent a long time trying to find Henry, and getting Bae was clearly on their agenda as well (he needed to not age for awhile) but they have Henry now, yet the shadow hasn’t been called off yet. I wonder if Peter (in his own mind) really feels like he’s doing something good there and it’s just recruiting as always and he just specifically needs Henry to make sure that NL (and magic everywhere else if he is to be believed) stays the way it is / in existence.
So many questions! Is it Sunday yet? Cause we need answers. Big time.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantAgree agree agree! Seriously he is beyond adorable. It would make total sense that he was wearing Bae’s old clothes since it was already said they were located upstairs, and he absolutely looks like a little hobbit! SO CUTE!
Still haven’t figured out the connection with his name yet but he is beyond adorable and one of my new faves.
Love the pic you used slurpeez! I hadn’t seen that one before! So cute!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantIs it just me or does Pan look like a vampire minus the fangs in pic 6 of that latest set? I keep seeing it and that’s all that springs to mind for some reason.
Carry on, I’m enjoying and processing all the new info & pics!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantBasically…everything Phee just said.
I’m really excited to learn more about Robin Hood and I think that when Regina is ready (she has a ways to go still) they’ll be a great match (and adorable little Roland is a wonderful bonus for her!)
I don’t think they’ll have her redeemed and find love but not able to be a good mother. I think Roland will be her chance to actually do it right.
Phee I LOVED what you said about Robin Hood inspiring loyalty and it being a lesson Regina needs to learn. Absolutely! And there’s no way she’s learning it from anybody other than him.
I have complete faith that she will get it right this time around. We’ve seen her try to befriend children who wanted nothing to do with her, a child who was interested but she completely ignored the seemingly cool dad in the picture and literally just wanted his kid, and this time she gets the whole package and an example of how to do things the right way that isn’t coming from one of her enemies which would be way too hard for someone with her stubborn pride to swallow.
She KNOWS she screwed up with Henry. Big time. She’s having to fight like you know what to get back on his good side and be a part of stuff. It was awesome to see the Charmings be worried about her and race to go save her from Tink as they consider her one of them now. It may not be ideal, and they’ll never all get along, but they all co-exist and are FAMILY and they keep showing her that. She didn’t take off on them either and she could have a long time ago. She doens’t WANT to deal with them, but ALL of them are important to Henry and she knows and I think recognizes that now.
She keeps coming back to that idea anyway, even if she stumbles a bit here and there, and I think the events of the finale really changed things. It’s tough to go face people like the Charmings after something like that though when you’ve spent forever doing things to make them find you untrustworthy, but they’re still looking out for her and including her. She just needs some time but there is definitely potential for her to redeem herself and become the kind of person she was meant to be and in finding herself, find love again with Robin Hood (who also lost his love) and get another chance to be a mom as well. I think it’ll be great, and I bet Henry will love having a little brother (how adorable will that be?!?)
So I have high hopes for RegalHood or whatever we’re calling it now. I’m glad we have some answers and know what to look for and have high hopes for. So much better than not knowing. I had only mildly shipped her before but wasn’t too invested and didn’t see myself really being invested in a Regina ship anytime soon even though I’ve always said I wanted her to find love eventually and poof, Robin Hood appears and saves the day!
I’m sure the show will make it wonderful and we’ll love it and wonder how we lived without it before. I remember MANY people being upset over a certain 2 week break when a promo revealed that Rumple was the beast and then BAM, overnight RumBelle fans. Have faith!
We definitely need to pick a name though. So many options I can’t decide but I’m looking forward to seeing it play out!
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