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MysteryKat25Participant
It looks like we won’t actually be seeing Rumple’s dad anytime soon, at least not in 3×04 but I think later in the Neverland section of the season maybe? Anybody know? But we will probably get mentions of him while we watch more Rumple/NealFire history play out. Still interesting we’re getting that one and the Hook episode back-to-back though!
Can’t wait to see how it all fits in and I need a new episode! How is it only Monday? =/
Edited with an update: Rumple’s dad is supposed to appear in 3×08 & 3×11!
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October 14, 2013 at 10:46 pm in reply to: DISAPPROVE of Tink encouraging Regina to commit adultery #215962MysteryKat25ParticipantI’ll agree that it was iffy for me as well. I didn’t like the David/MM thing in season 1 because while WE knew they were really married, THEY didn’t. Likewise, Regina was definitely married to King Leopold at this point in time when Tink was trying to get her to run off with Robin Hood.
I’m a big believer in not staying where you’re not happy and ideally they would leave one relationship before going to another which I would approve of way more. I do want people to be with who they’re actually meant to be with so it’s a tough situation all around. Everything happens for a reason and I’m sure Regina will be thrilled to find little Roland is a part of the mix and losing loved ones may even help Regina & Robin Hood bond more than they might have initially. I think the pixie dust showed her that he was her soul mate, but it didn’t specify when either. Just a thought…
It doesn’t surprise me that Tink would be the one to suggest such a thing though based on how she is in various versions of the story and had Regina run off, as bad as that would have been, she wouldn’t have really broken Leopold’s heart, Snow would be back to not having a mother, but countless lives would not have been ruined or ended had Regina not gone dark so…it’s just rough all around. I can play devil’s advocate on most things and I can definitely see both sides of this.
Keb – I think they were already married before Aurora went under the sleeping curse but I can’t remember why I’m thinking that. I’ll have to go back and rewatch (I want to say 2×01). As to the rest of what you said, I’m inclined to (mostly) agree with you. All 3 have done horrible things but they definitely still have huge fanbases and we root for them to redeem themselves and find their true loves and happiness for sure. (Otherwise we really wouldn’t have much of a show & it would be rather depressing as everybody would be locked up or dead – so much for happy endings, much less hope, redemption, etc etc.)
Personally, I root for all 3 of them to come around and they’re making great strides in doing so. I’ve been impressed with how far they’ve come even though they have a long way to go still. As for the details of all the wrongdoings (of which there are many for each), we shall all have to agree to disagree on the finer points and/or how we present them. I will say though that Milah went to Hook willingly, he didn’t “steal” her, but yes, that is another example of adultery on the show and he did play a part. That being said, I think we can ALL be thankful that Rumple/Milah didn’t work out because then we would not have RumBelle…or a story.
I do appreciate the overall idea and thank you for pointing it out. We’re not rooting for just the good guys here. Many of us are rooting for change in the “baddies” who were once good people and we want them to be so again. (It is interesting to note that many of the good guys have faced some jail time at one point or another – though we have seen Rumple & Regina spend time in cells as well).
So while I was a little saddened by Tink suggesting such a thing to Regina, I’m also a big proponent of finding who you’re supposed to be with (though generally of them leaving the person they don’t want to be with first!) and regardless of Tink’s suggestion, it didn’t happen that way (though I definitely get why some may find it very upsetting).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantDid anybody notice the markings on the cave at the beginning? I froze it at the :02 mark to see the group standing there and behind Hook on the wall (guessing a cave wall?) are the letters P and J. Any thoughts?
Thoughts that spring to mind: initials of lost boys (Peter, John if ever got there, and probably more markings further along the wall for others); or Peter and Jane Darling (Wendy’s daughter in the stories).
Either way I thought the markings were interesting and hopefully we see more in the episode of the cave. I’m curious about that map cause I didn’t see anything interesting in it yet but in freeze-framing I found the letters. Can’t wait for the episode! This season has been amazing so far!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantThe more I think about this pairing, the more I like it! Definitely has a lot of potential and I look forward to watching it play out!
I’ve only mildly shipped Regina before but we haven’t seen her actually interact with someone she’s genuinely interested in (and not controlling) since Daniel so it’s been tough. Can’t wait for them to actually meet! I want her to see the tattoo and not know how to react and have him fluster her a bit. She’s usually so in control that it’ll be a nice change of pace and has a lot of potential to show a softer side to her.
I’ve enjoyed her a lot more so far this season. She’s mostly just been snarky but at least not trying to kill the rest of the big dysfunctional family. I think she finally learned her lesson after the finale when she was prepared to die to stop the failsafe from going off. I’ve never trusted her redemption paths before but I think she’s finally heading in the right direction and once she sees that the guy with the lion tattoo is still around and he’s lost someone too, she’ll have real hope again. Henry is her priority and I’m sure she’ll love little Roland as well!
We don’t know enough about Robin Hood yet for me to say what this means for him, but as in most versions I’ve seen, he lost Marian (sad face) but such is the cost of magic which he knows all too well now. I’m excited to learn more of his story for sure!
LOVE that manip of the 3 of them together! It really looks like a beautiful family! Now we just need to get them all in the same shot for real with Henry there too!
Still can’t decide which name I like best. Different places are calling them different things. =/ So many good options though!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantCompletely agree.
For the record: I do love Bae. It’s Neal I have massive concerns about, especially with how desperate he’s already becoming and how desperate he’s likely to be if/when he joins them and finds Emma being close to Hook (even without picking up on a romantic connection he’s probably not going to like it, especially since his mission right now is to say he loves her which she is sooo not ready to hear at the moment).
I can defend just about any character and want them to find redemption and love and happiness so it drives me a little nuts when Hook is painted with this horrible brush but Regina and Rumple’s actions (which are far worse) are just glossed over. If they can ditch their pasts and focus on who they are today (which uh, includes Regina VERY RECENTLY trying to kill everyone in SB, and Rumple beating the Sheriff of Nottingham to a pulp for kissing his girlfriend), I think Hook is actually in a very good spot, seeing as how he’s given up everything to help Emma and the rest of them when they have given him NO reason to do so.
Hook has it bad and he is all about Emma. It’s OBVIOUS and adorable and feels so right I can’t wait to watch it play out more and more each week! Even when he’s helping others he’s keeping an eye on her and being HELPFUL just like he always said he would be! He’s trusting her and believing in her and they are a TEAM. He’s not bossing her around or telling her what’s best for her. He has ideas and opinions just like she does and sometimes she goes along with his and sometimes he goes along with hers. It’s beautiful and parallels Snowing so well! (But in a more realistic, real-world sorta way without the gushy factor of Snowing – don’t get me wrong, they have their moments and I love them, but that’s not Emma).
I’m seriously concerned about Roland! What are the odds he doesn’t try to summon it again? He’s a little kid!
I completely agree that Snow is a little preoccupied with Charming right now and looks to be even moreso in the near future so she’s able to block out more of what she thinks is a non-issue. I mean, Hook and Emma are sitting together right in front of her and she’s just wrapped up in Charming’s arms and doesn’t even notice. She didn’t have anything to say about what Hook said during Emma’s speech either. It amuses me to no end that it doesn’t even cross her mind that Emma is sitting a little too close to Hook AFTER Regina made that comment. (I would be staying so far away from him if someone just said that to me about someone I wasn’t interested in! ESPECIALLY if my mom – and let’s face it, dad too cause Charming totally heard! – were that close by and might start wondering if Regina had a point.)
To her, it’s literally just Hook being Hook, flirting, not noticing the genuine and sincere moments they’re off having together, and her facial reaction to Regina’s comment was one of surprise and then her interpretation of why it was inappropriate of Regina to have said which, as I’ve said before, is a little optimistic and hopeful that happy endings means getting back with 1st love cause that’s how it was for her. We’ve already seen Rumple/Milah which Neal/Emma were paralleled to WITHIN Manhattan and just because they were married and had a kid didn’t mean they got back together and Rumple was clearly meant for Belle!) I really really want Snow to talk to Emma though and ask if there was any truth to it and gauge Emma’s reaction to that without Regina around. (And I’d love for Tink to do the same with Hook since they know each other. It’s not like Hook can confide in Charming about his daughter!)
My only concern is that Emma is SO focused right now that she may not be noticing a lot of the little things. She’s like her mother and actions speak louder than words but if she’s not paying attention to all the times Hook has had her back or done nice little things for her, she may be more clouded when Neal gets to them.
I really hope she drills him though because they have a lot of issues that need to be addressed and it needs to be a clean choice that doesn’t waver when she does decide between them. I want her to get her answers and I’m sure somewhere down the line, she will forgive him like she will forgive Snowing, but forgiveness does not have to equal going back to a relationship with him.
I do think she will be upset with his methods of getting there as her whole story arc this year is about being a mother and what that means. I don’t think she’ll look too kindly on putting Roland in danger, and if she doesn’t think of it at first (depending on how HE tells the story, who knows what details will be left in and he’ll probably say it was totally harmless….), then if something DOES happen where Roland ends up in NL with them (or Robin Hood in his place), then I could see her not being happy about that at all. She’s fully embracing mother status right now and risking a kid to take the easy way to get to NL to save your own kid? Not something she would do or be ok with.
She’s definitely going to be all kinds of flustered and not know what to do for awhile and will put up her walls and focus on Henry, but I still have faith that eventually she’ll see just how good Hook is for her and that they make a great TEAM. She can forgive Neal and he’ll always be a part of her life, but they’ve already shown that that’s possible, whereas we’ve seen Hook give up absolutely everything for her and slowly but surely, recapture the trust that was broken because she assumed he’d do exactly what Neal did, and instead he’s surprising her every step of the way and being true to his word, something that, like love, has been “all too rare” in her life. Something that he has known about her from the moment they met, and still wants to know more. This is NOT a fling for him and they are bending over backwards to make it clear that he has genuine feelings for her. How people still aren’t getting that I do not know.
If I hear the argument “Neal only has eyes for Emma” one more time I’m going to throw something. Seriously? SO DOES HOOK. They are SHOWING us this. Every time she’s nearby, unless he has to look away to address someone else, he is right by her side, supporting her decisions and watching her adoringly (and in an adorable manner!). He has given up his revenge, he’s lost his ship (his HOME), he let his worst enemy come along for the ride, he’s looking out for her family, trying to win over her dad, and is doing anything he can to comfort her and knows exactly what she needs for that to happen. He gets her. They are kindred spirits and I have faith that somewhere down the line, she’ll realize how good she has it with him and know that THIS is what love is supposed to be like.
I still maintain that if Henry were the product of true love, Pan wouldn’t have dismissed Emma’s power as nothing and he would have just added it to why Henry is SO special. We keep being told that Emma is powerful because she’s the product of true love so don’t you think that would have been made a big deal of it if that were why Henry were special? They had the perfect opportunity to shut down the triangle by saying that. Or by Pan trying to literally take the heart of the truest believer and not being able to.
They didn’t have to show us Hook getting close to Emma. They don’t have to show us Hook declaring he fancies her or making it obvious and they don’t have to show us every little reaction he has to her all the time or him genuinely being able to make her smile and trust in him back. They sure didn’t have to have Regina call him out as her boyfriend. They WANT us to think that way. That’s why they keep showing them to us in the same frame, side-by-side, closer every week. We already know we have a kiss to look forward to! Why go to ALL that effort of showing Hook actually redeeming himself and getting closer to her and her family if it’s all for nothing? Why build it up SO much over the first few episodes just to trash it all because Neal is alive and there?
Many people didn’t see anything good in Hook until the end of last season. I expect many more probably won’t see anything redeeming until we get his backstory from BEFORE he was a pirate (and I swear, if people can love Desperate Souls & Stable Boy, they better darn well appreciate Good Form because I can’t stand the hypocritical nature of this fandom sometimes. If it’s ok for people to want Rumple to go back to who he was, and Regina to be who she was, then why not Killian??
If they wanted to just redeem him and go find his love elsewhere, they could have given Hook/Emma moments a much more FRIENDLY vibe and he CERTAINLY would not have been announcing that he fancies her, or watching every move she makes, or focusing only on her. He could have bonded more with Regina (they had that talk on the ship about villains finding their happy endings – and then showed him staring at Emma…). Instead he’s sticking close to Emma every step of the way even though they’re all in this together. They could definitely have given it more of a buddy vibe to the point where Regina wouldn’t have picked up on anything because there would have been nothing to pick up on.
A&E have already compared Hook to Han Solo which I agree with as well (though I mostly compare him to Westley from Princess Bride). I seriously doubt that they’re setting up Hook to fall for the lost princess only to lose out in a triangle. After all, Han was understanding about why Leia might choose differently, only in their case she had a VERY good reason not to (only he didn’t know that at the time). I expect an epic love story for Hook since they wanted him in in season 1 and the best way to do that is to pair him with Emma. Perfect match. (And scoundrels like Han/Hook do love their feisty princesses!)
Seriously cannot wait to see the context of the kiss! We’ve only seen Emma kiss Graham in present day and it took her awhile to get to that point and some denial along the way (sound familiar?). With everything she’s been through, she’s finally opening up to someone again and from the tweets of the writer in question, it sounds like it will be AMAZING! I hope that means nobody interferes though…as far as I can tell, Snowing’s 1st kiss was when Charming tried to break the curse of the memory-wiping potion in an “actions speak louder than words” scene followed by proving that he meant it, then having their REAL first kiss right after that (as in, she felt it too) so I’m wondering if maybe Hook will do something that conclusively proves to Emma that he’s in this and then they kiss? CANNOT WAIT. I NEED THIS NOW.
Headcanons have been going crazy between the possibilities with future pixie dust use, where Tink’s loyalties really lie, Hook’s background, and the kiss . So much excitement just from the first 3 episodes! Seriously loving this season and so glad we get a lot of episodes in a row. I don’t think my heart could take it if we had a break right now!
So many good possibilities for CaptainSwan right now and I refuse to believe that Neal coming back magically negates EVERYTHING we’ve been shown this season. There was just no point otherwise! They know how rabid this fandom is and I’m sure they’re getting tons of hate mail after last night. I can’t imagine that they would actually build up something THIS much and spend the entire season so far building up to even more to just throw it all away. They have enough parts of the fandom mad at them for stuff they never intended to imply. I don’t think they’d go to all this effort of showing Hook be very obviously interested in Emma and having them bonding to just throw it aside and say it was meaningless.
We’ve believed in Emma and Hook from Day 1 and have no reason to give up hope now. Faith, trust, and pixie dust, right? 😀
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantJust saw a tweet about these as well! Most we already have but I think there are a few new ones.
http://www.onceuponafans.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=15161967
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantVery interesting points!
I would have thought environment would have altered Bae’s life moreso than the actual genes changing. He was raised (not for very long but in a very traumatic way) under darkness and it clearly stuck with him.
I’ve actually been waiting for him to change quite a lot since he’s not really acting like the Bae we know and love, but he’s not quite as…deranged? as I expected him to be after going through what he did. It’s almost like his personality change was on hold too, not just his age for a long time. At first he seemed to stay his normal sweet self.
Even after coming to our world, he only did what he had to to survive and wanted what everybody else did: a home. He considered the Darlings his family (I hope we get more on that later cause he wasn’t there for very long). Then all of a sudden he *seems* be just a nice thief but is now getting DESPERATE like his father and we know what desperate souls are capable of as we’ve seen it many times before.
I was shocked and dismayed when he used Roland as bait. It was a good plan and a great way to get to NL but we know there are technically other ways like beans even though they’re rare and he supposedly used the last one centuries ago. He listed off a multitude of ways to get there though and chose to take the easiest path that put a young boy in danger so that he *might* be able to get to his little boy. Seriously?
It wouldn’t surprise me to see him becoming more like his dad before coming back down from it. I just feel like he’s never really behaved like he had gone through all of that stuff except for whining about it (and Henry can be the same way which concerns me at times but he’s mostly good). I think Henry’s light is far more effective than the dark he gets from Rumple & Bae but they are prone to it more and Henry knows the consequences of it better. That said, who knows what will happen with him should he become a desperate soul himself someday! After all, the kid who is apparently supposed to save magic tried to blow it up once!
COMPLETELY AGREE about Tink. There is most likely some major unrequited love going on, or they’re friends and they both seem a little flirty but she is bound to know his history and she’ll have to realize that he gave all of that up for EMMA and we know he never gave it up for Tink. Basically, Tink is our Cora as in, she clearly didn’t matter or Rumple wouldn’t be with Belle. NO WORRIES!
From her outside perspective, it HAD to look like 2 couples in front of her. She doesn’t know anything except Hook and Regina and she was watching Hook & Emma where Hook COULD NOT TAKE HIS EYES off her and was being HELPFUL again (and beyond adorable – the man has it bad and it is SO obvious!).
Captain Eala – that is a beautiful epiphany! You’re absolutely right. Nasty Habits is supposed to be very Rumple centric but it now looks like it will mostly be a Rumple/his dad, Rumple/Neal parallel story where we get something on all 3 of them and it does have an interesting name. They could have outright used Bad Habits or they could have picked something else, so this is a little…off to the side? Probably recognizing that they need to stop being this way but at the same time, still not allowing themselves to fully give it up either. Just acknowledging that it’s not a good way to do things does not make one stop and they have all had good reasons to. I think the fact that it is back to back with Good Form which is Hook’s ep will be big!
To me, it’s too early for Rumple to completely give everything up. I don’t think seeing his son show up there will do anything but give him someone to team up with (finally) but since Neal is getting desperate and his father thinks he’s going there to die so will do whatever it takes to save Henry, I’ll be SHOCKED if their plan involves doing anything the “right” way or the “hard” way and it could easily help one or both of them spiral. I don’t think Neal would ever get to the point that Rumple is in since he’s hated it SO much for hundreds of years…but he’s embracing magic and sympathizing more with his dad now than he ever did so…it’s at least a possibility.
Good Form on the other hand…bring onnnnnnn the captain! I really really want to know more about Hook’s backstory and I think we’re supposed to find out why he and Emma are such kindred spirits! I’m still holding out hope that he’s a bit like Westley from Princess Bride. He’s always had that Dread Pirate Roberts vibe for me and I love the idea that maybe as a kid he was just a farm boy that got swept up in sailing the seas with his dad who then abandoned him. It would be a nice little tie-in with Charming having been a shepherd and I still think that Killian was good and then was led down a middle-of-the-road path with his dad and then the pirate thing. He was never a saint as a pirate but he has a code and we haven’t seen anything to suggest otherwise. Emma brings out the genuine goodness in him (and the genuine smiles which I am totally loving!). Can’t wait to see his backstory so that we can find more parallels!
LOVE the fact that these two episodes are back to back! It makes for good comparing/contrasting. Last season we had them within the same episode and compared within how they were with her but this should branch it out even more. Interesting that they’re doing it in that order. Wonder how everything connects to present day. We won’t get a really good comparison for present day until he reunites with the group and Emma can actually SEE the difference in how she’s treated under the same circumstances, but Hook has been gaining tons of subtle points during the trip so far and she has to know he’s got her back no matter what and she doesn’t have to doubt that. I think when Neal shows up and things get very tense, especially if he berates her for even spending time or looking chummy with Hook, she’s more likely to blow up and acknowledge that he doesn’t know her now and she’s not that 17 year old anymore. I see her being given a lot of reason to defend Hook unless Hook and Bae ended up on better terms than we saw.
SO excited for these next couple of episodes especially! This season has been amazing so far and the more info we get on both guys the better. I’m hoping that an epic love story for Emma becomes more and more obvious down the line to the point where it’s inevitable that they’re proven as True Love. ALL we have seen this season for Hook is how devoted he is to Emma and is doing anything and everything he can to help and doing it in the RIGHT way and sometimes taking the tough route to get there but being 100% supportive of Emma and not only looking out for her but her loved ones as well. He’ll have a bond with at least Charming by the time Neal shows up which can only help us cause I’d like to think Charming would look at it and back Emma up that Hook has been helpful. Especially if he starts observing Emma with Neal and gets concerned after seeing her treated SO well by Hook.
I don’t think Charming and Snow have any idea what Emma’s been through with him. Snow has to realize that Emma was panicked when she saw him and that she didn’t want him anywhere near Henry but apparently that got tossed out the window and Snow is blind to Hook because she just doesn’t want him near her little girl. She doesn’t KNOW the past so she can’t really compare either way. She’s only ever seen Neal as engaged to Tamara and being good with his kid (which he mostly is). To Snow, it would unite the dysfunctional family and bring PEACE between them all and Rumple. Did I mention how much she doesn’t like Hook? He’ll have to grow on her but I think once she sees Emma and Neal together a bit more, especially now that Neal too is going around professing how he cares for Emma, Snow might get a different idea – especially if Emma asks for details on just HOW he got to NL or brings up any of their history really. He’s been avoiding it even in his confessions to Mulan so I’m not sure why I should think he’d give straight answers now with Rumple in his ear (and you know he will be since he sees him first).
As for the “roasted swan” thing – Rumple didn’t know about Bae’s relationship with Emma…AT ALL. If anything, it was a line about Regina going up against a Swan. Where the roasted part comes in I’m not sure, but I agree that it was anything but romantic since the swan was dead and about to be eaten. The only thing I could think of was what we’ve talked about with Emma rising from the ashes in Phoenix after her jailtime and coming back stronger and becoming a force to be reckoned with but I really think the reason it amused Rumple was because it was the only victory Regina would have over a swan.
I’m really liking the idea of Henry being “the balance between good and evil.” It makes total sense that he would be the one that would be able to save magic because it would save both dark and light magic. Makes me think of Charmed and how sometimes they’d have to get help from the other side to contain something super powerful. Sometimes you need someone in the middle that is neutral so that one side or the other doesn’t get too much power.
It’ll be interesting to see how things work out since Dark One Rumple can be pretty intense, especially without Belle around to bring him down a notch. Likewise, Snowing is so “infuriatingly optimistic” and good most of the time and then Bae & Emma are borderline in between but starting to embrace who they really are which could..go a lot of ways. Emma is borderline embracing being a hero and the savior and is all about doing things the right way vs the easy way right now which tips her to the light scale (not that she was ever really dark even when doubting herself and panicking) and now we have Bae who could easily slip into his father’s shoes now that he’s so understanding of it and making highly questionable decisions like risking Roland’s life. I don’t think he’ll slip quite so far down like Rumple has since he grew up hating it so much, but if he’s starting to understand and sympathize with and make similar choices without thinking about the consequences, it could become a problem. I hope he doesn’t, but we’ll have to wait and see. Since Emma does lead toward the side of light like her parents, even if she’s not quite on their level, it would stand to reason that if Henry is some balance between the two sides that Neal wouldn’t exactly be leaning toward light. PP did say that Henry’s mother didn’t meet “the spawn of the Dark One” by accident so there must be something to it. He may not be as bad as Rumple, but he’s starting down a slippery slope that has me concerned.
(Who else thinks the Roland thing isn’t over yet? I mean, the kid was about to say the words before they were ready for him to. He is FOUR. It made something crazy happen just by saying the words. He’s now sleeping under the window. What are the odds that he DOESN’T say it again and risk getting taken to NL? I’m seriously concerned! He’s adorable, and he’s Robin Hood’s son which means that eventually, Regina will be in the picture as well. I can’t imagine ANYONE from the JR5 being ok with the kid being put at risk. I’m wondering if Roland DOE S call out again and Robin somehow goes in his place to save him. It could be how Robin Hood & Regina meet since we know they’re supposed to be soul mates. But I’m seriously worried about the kid).
Here’s hoping we get something good next week again, even if it’s just subtle little moments or knowing looks from some of the group! Regina’s boyfriend comment is bound to get under somebody’s skin, especially if Snow does start paying more attention to them and trying to figure out what Regina was thinking. She’s been ignoring it so far, too preoccupied with Charming I guess lol, but I could see her asking Emma if there’s something she wanted to tell her. We didn’t even SEE Emma’s reaction to Snow saying that Neal just died, we saw Regina’s. Emma didn’t exactly say Regina was wrong either…she just kept quiet, but she definitely was NOT trying to stay away from Hook after that to get rid of that impression!
I’m going to be optimistic since I love the show AND the ship that next week will be good. We’ve seen seeing our ship slowly building but making lots of headway this season and on the bright side, we get a promo next week for the ep we’ve all been waiting for! So excited!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI don’t think there’s anything wrong with Phillip at all! He was proven to be Aurora’s true love when he woke her with True Love’s Kiss and they are happily married and expecting a child now.
Mulan’s feelings (whether they were for Phillip as it seemed to be in all of season 2, or now suddenly Aurora) is and always will be an unrequited love.
Just because Mulan does have feelings for one of them doesn’t mean they have to happen. It means that in a triangle, someone always gets hurt and this triangle was never going to end well for Mulan. I have hopes that she will go off and find someone of her own to love as it was sad to see her like that but it was inevitable. Any character can be in love with whomever they want to be but Mulan having feelings for Aurora definitely doesn’t require kicking Phillip to the curb, especially since Mulan chose to not say anything after all and went off on her own journey with Robin Hood and his Merry Men, leaving Aurora to bask in the glow of having Phillip back and expecting a child.
I do hope we learn how he was brought back but I have no doubt that it really is Phillip as I was sure he wasn’t dead to begin with. Pretty sure it’s really him and they’re happy as Aurora couldn’t wait to tell Mulan her exciting news. I think she’d know if it wasn’t really him, especially since they’ve had some time together that we just haven’t seen.
We will hopefully get some more backstory on them in the future (we need more on Maleficent, how Phillip was rescued etc etc) but I really don’t think they’ll get rid of him to make SleepingWarrior happen any further than it already has. Aurora has been proven as Phillip’s true love and if they were interested in going that route, they could have left him as “dead” or actually killed him off and let the two women bond over their loss and go on adventures, none of which would have included trying to rescue him.
Sorry to burst any shipper bubbles but given that the actors are all on other shows and are side characters, and they went as far as to try to give Phillip & Aurora their happy ending by being back together and having a baby, I really doubt that we’ll see much of any of them, much less have there be some big FakePhillip storyline. In order to realize he’s different, we’d have to actually spend time with the character and we really haven’t been for various reasons. I think their storyline is pretty well wrapped up now, minus a couple flashbacks here and there that might shed some light on stories of others.
I felt really bad for Mulan tonight, but since we met them with Phillip & Aurora being true love, and now that they’ve rescued him, I really don’t see them needing to get rid of him so that Mulan can get her happy ending, but that she is actually meant for someone else and has just been pining away for someone she knows truly loves someone else. I just don’t see them breaking up a proven true love couple on the show as it would undermine absolutely everything we’ve been led to believe about true love.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantWell that idea was fun while it lasted. Glad I didn’t get TOO invested in it (was holding out for actual scenes) but still hoping they’ll understand each other and bond over their screwed up lives and can be good friends for Henry’s sake! I’m going to miss doing metas on how these guys would have been good. I suppose the same goes for any ship: some see similarities & bonding potential as friends and others deem them soul mates for it. Glad Tink gave us a definitive answer!
I’d rather be a little disappointed but know not to hope for it anymore and just enjoy the headcanon and potential that could have been. There are so many directions anything can go in and they can only pick one so I’m sure it’ll be amazing. I know a lot of sections of the fandom are torn apart right now and I feel for them, so if anybody is distraught over the fact that this ship has sunk, I wanted to leave make sure everyone was ok.
It really was fun while it lasted. Can’t wait to see Rumple’s reactions to Robin Hood being his grandson’s step-dad though! They didn’t exactly get off on the right foot. Not quite as delicious an idea as having Regina as his daughter-in-law, but I’ll take what I can get (and I expect it to be amazing and all work out the way it needs to)!
*gives cookies*
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MysteryKat25ParticipantNone of this has really been confirmed confirmed within the show. PP told Henry he needs him to save magic because he’s the truest believer. He said he needed to save magic in all worlds, not just one (so that would include NL but we don’t know what PP’s actual plans for NL are though he does seem to enjoy not having people tell him what to do so he would likely want NL to stay pretty much the same).
Robin Hood should definitely have been under Cora’s bubble in the EF when the curse hit. Roland is 4 now and Belle was held captive for approximately 3 years (chalk marks on the cell wall) and the curse has been unfrozen for roughly a year and Marian was VERY pregnant when we saw her while Belle was still with Rumple.
As for whether he’ll fall in love with her, I’m inclined to think yes since the pixie dust is never wrong and it showed them as soulmates. It may just take awhile but it’ll help Regina continue to redeem herself. If nobody on this show could do that, they’d be looking forward to jail time, not trying to find a love interest, and it would likely only be Snowing that had a love life. So I think Robin Hood & Regina will eventually find happiness together (with adorable little Roland as Henry’s little step-brother!)
RG! These were serious questions and somebody might take your headcanon as proven! Tsk tsk! 😛 *gives cookies* As far as I know unless I missed something major, it has not yet been proven that Rumple and Peter Pan are brothers (though it is a lovely headcanon that I approve of).
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