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I’ll agree that it messes up Disney canon but only to a point.
The stories we’re usually told end with a wedding usually. We don’t normally know what happens after characters ride off into the sunset together.
As far as being a stickler for it, I’m of the opinion that if both are in existence within the show and both are alive, then I would prefer them to stick to canon and keep them together. In this particular case, as much as I love Robin Hood & Maid Marian, they have already played out the typical story we know and love, and she has since died, leaving him with a young son to care for. So I’m actually ok with them breaking it as we haven’t had any time really to be invested in her in the first place, and it sets up some amazing stuff down the road.
So even though we didn’t really get to see it, Robin Hood & Marian had their time and played out their traditional story. So far we’ve only really seen that of Snowing and Philora, whereas RumBelle is still somewhere in the middle of things. So ones that we’ve seen through their usual stories kind of have free reign for what happens once the movie ends and they’re happily together, which does (sadly) include killing one of them off and letting the other find another person to love.
If I’m not mistaken, Marian has been killed off in at least one other version of Robin Hood’s story so it’s also not entirely out of the realm of possibility. In fact I think I’ve seen it a couple of times, and at least one where a child is left behind for him to raise on his own (the one that springs to mind is Princess of Thieves with Keira Knightley). So I’m actually really looking forward to seeing more on him and Roland, and watching him and Regina fall in love. It’ll be a love story that we can watch unfold rather than just be told about it in flashbacks and it gives a character who usually doesn’t even have a love interest, a chance at finding happiness and letting go of her darkness which is cool.
Can’t wait for Henry to get to spend time with Roland though. I bet they’ll be super adorable!
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAgreed with everything Captain Eala!
I’ll start with the awesome coconut scene because that is 3 drinks, 3 weeks in a row. Remember when we were freaking out about them sharing a drink and thought she meant in the first ep? So glad we got more than that cause it’s getting progressively better! They were sitting so close and Hook was BEYOND ADORABLE in that scene. Not to mention they were feet away from Snowing being all lovey-dovey on the other side of the campfire and that Tink literally watched Hook & Emma closely and then walked over to talk to Regina about finding her true love.
Teamwork. Again, this may have been a very SUBTLE CS episode, but they showed them repeatedly, side-by-side, working as a team and being pretty darn comfortable doing so. I especially loved at the beginning when Charming was following Snow’s lead and holding a lantern to guide her way, then we see Regina, then we see Hook holding a lantern letting Emma guide the way. Love it!
Oh Regina, you 2nd generation CS shipper you! It amuses me to no end that it wasn’t Snow who picked up on it. Frankly I think she’s in denial cause her head snapped between the two quickly. I know she was sticking up for Emma and she knew exactly what to tell Regina to back off cause Regina’s lost her love too, but her first reaction lookswise made me think she was really not liking even the idea of something. She & Charming in the past have kept a close eye on Hook & Emma interactions but have somehow been oblivious to the obvious closeness in Neverland (though I think Charming’s coming around to Hook otherwise, more on that in a bit). LOVED that Regina called her out on it though and laughed that she was the only one picking up on it. It would have made more sense for her to say something like that to Hook about Emma than the way it played, but we got the same reaction from Emma that we got from Hook when Cora told him he chose Emma and I loved it. ESPECIALLY since Emma wasn’t the one to shut it down (she showed a little surprise is all) but Snow did (more on this coming right up!)
Oh Snow. I know in your fairytale world your first love was your true love and, based on the promo, we know that you couldn’t imagine moving on from Charming, but that is not the world that Emma grew up in! And I know it pains Snow with all of the emotional history for Emma but it was still only her interpretation of what Emma might be going through. It wasn’t EMMA’s reaction to the idea of Hook as her boyfriend (more on this soon). Snow has this “infuriatingly optimistic” view on life and she doesn’t think that you can move on (she’s seen Regina spiral, has she not?) so it makes sense that she would say Emma’s just lost Neal. The only problem is that SHE HAS FAILED TO NOTICE EMMA SMILING AND FLIRTING WITH HOOK and the lack of talking and crying about Neal going on.
Snow, Snow, Snow. You’re usually more observant than this! I’m kinda hoping that when she and Emma are ALONE sometime that they’ll talk about it. Almost like an “I didn’t want to say anything in front of Regina and I had your back but was there any merit to what she was saying cause I’ve been kinda noticing things too…” cause MM was SO observant and always knew with Emma and Graham, and they’ve shown us her reacting to Emma/Hook moments, so it seemed kinda random otherwise. So hopefully more mother/daughter talks will ensue and there might be a moment where Snow sees something and says something along the lines of “you said the same thing with Graham, remember?” The only time we’ve seen her talk to Emma about her behavior around Neal it was to not get Henry’s hopes up if Emma didn’t want to get back together with him. In fact when Emma said she was over him, Snow said “That may be true,” and didn’t latch onto it NEARLY as much as with Graham – plus I want the Graham convo, toward Regina and/or a private talk with Hook about lost loves and the heart deal. Is that so much to ask?
Hook & Charming! I LOVE that Hook immediately took note of the situation and, once again, made an effort to take care of a member of the Charming family. Just like Emma, Charming initially resisted and then let Hook take care of him and check his wound. Seriously love the potential of this brOTP! They get along really well and are a lot alike (when Charming won’t be hating Hook for wanting to date his daughter of course!). Hook is showing yet again that he cares. He didn’t have to stop and acknowledge a wound that Charming has NO INTENTION of telling anyone about. But he chose to. Wonder why that might be…
Back to the coconut scene cause it was amazing and there was NO reason to show it. They could have showed Charming and Snow sharing a nice moment. After all, we know CHARMING is injured and possibly dying. Yet they chose to show us Hook opening a coconut for Emma. In fact, we only see Snowing being cute in the background, when Tink goes to talk to Regina. Why is this significant, besides the pointlessness of showing us that Emma’s trusting Hook more and sharing yet another drink with him and sitting so closely to him at camp? THE FACT THAT IT HAPPENS AFTER THE BOYFRIEND SCENE. Um, Emma? If you were trying to convince Regina, and everyone else, and possibly even yourself that you’re not interested in Hook that way? You might want to try NOT sitting there smiling and sharing a drink with him and sitting in front of the same log that closely. Can’t imagine WHERE Regina might have gotten the idea that the two of you are a couple with behavior like that. Nope, not at all…ok, who am I kidding? Obviously Regina has a point but Emma…did NOT even try to make her think otherwise with this behavior. Just like she stands close to Hook at all times like Snowing does together. Regina is feeling like the odd one out and she does not like it. At least she’s not blind (and frankly, she usually isn’t unless it comes to herself).
Tink. Interesting choice of timing to go chat with Regina some more about whether she ever went back to meet the guy Tink tried to introduce her to. She’s sitting at the campfire by herself with people she’s not familiar with other than Hook and Regina. Regina is off by herself and Tink could have been over there the whole time, waiting for an opportunity to talk to her. Instead, she’s sitting between two sets of people WHO ARE ACTING LIKE COUPLES. She doesn’t know Snow or Charming, but it’s obvious they’re together. Likewise, she keeps seeing Emma and Hook be awfully close, and after STARING AT HOOK AND EMMA, she goes to talk to Regina about her true love. Interesting how when true love is mentioned, the camera goes to somebody or something related to CS, isn’t it?
More on Tink: she definitely has some kind of history with Hook. Looking forward to seeing what it is because for whatever reason, Hook believed she could help. I sort of got the feeling that Tink may have had a thing for him, but it does NOT impact CS whatsoever. If anything, it’s completely unrequited on her part. In fact, if there was any romantic history at all, it is like Rumple/Cora – absolutely meaningless. Why? Because he has Belle, and Hook has Emma. It’s EMMA he’s completely enamored with and focused on, even with his old pal Tink sitting a couple feet away. They could easily have shown us Hook and Tink catching up and finding out what’s been going on since he left Neverland, but he is sitting with Emma, giving her coconuts and smiling at her, watching her reaction to every thing he does to try to impress her (in a very subtle way). They didn’t have to show us that AT ALL. So if Tink did have any feelings for him, it’s completely one-sided because it clearly had no affect on him to give up his quest for revenge and love again. That was ALL EMMA. So there is no need to panic!
I am definitely curious about why Tink rushed after Hook as soon as the group split up for a second and what they may have talked about, but again, not worried. He’s the only one she knows there and might actually have a reason to trust. It’s also interesting that he called her LadyBell before calling her Tink. I definitely want to know more and I think we will in 3×05 for sure, but I could see her picking up on what’s going on between them too and commenting on it, to him at least.
We’ve seen Tink use pixie dust once to find someone’s soulmate, so perhaps if she ever gets her wings back or finds some pixie dust – after hopefully using it on Charming if that is indeed what they need to save him, as well as possibly using it to transport them all back home – I wouldn’t be surprised if she sneakily, maybe while everyone was sleeping, used that spell on Hook to see who his true love is. I don’t want it proven that way, I want Emma to be the one to choose, but I wouldn’t put it past her to try it out and have the audience see it without the characters having a clue, and then watching Emma go through it herself and then have to rationalize it for the people in her life. I definitely don’t see that happening for a long time though. More important things to do for now and I’m sure they want to stretch it out for a bit. Just saying since we’ve seen the magic do that once, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was brought back. In fact, for all we know, if Tink did have a crush on Hook she could have used it on him before and been upset with the results since it wasn’t her.
On the pixie dust front: the promo. They were looking upwards in some cave and said it was their way home. I’m wondering if it was a pixie dust cache of some kind. Fairy dust came from mines so perhaps there’s a special cave that has some, though I would think Tink would already know about it and have some. Possibly pixie dust doesn’t have very many uses or she’s been trying to keep a low profile. We still don’t know her connection to Pan, much less her history with either Pan or Hook so goodness only knows who’s side she’s really on. I’m inclined to like her, but with Regina causing her to go dark, and not knowing her history with Hook, anything could happen.
Looks like we’ve got a lot more Rumple/Neal stuff next week which makes sense. Rumple backstory with his dad should give us a look at Rumple & Neal’s relationship. I’d rather he focuses on that and getting Henry to safety before focusing on his love life. He’s waited this long (and retconned things in his mind to fix them), and I would think focusing on saving their kid would win him more points than ignoring it. It was nice to see that he was actually thinking of Henry and WHY Emma would be in Neverland and kept talking about having to get back to his boy. The Emma, Emma, Emma stuff from 3×01 drove me crazy cause that’s not the priority.
I’ve always been of the opinion that we keep being shown Neal taking the easy way and that magic backfires. Well, now he’s tricked a 4 year old into getting him a ride to NL and goodness only knows what that will do. Since it would make sense for Regina to meet Robin Hood sooner as opposed to later, I am HIGHLY CONCERNED for Roland’s safety. A 4 year old could easily say hmm, that was interesting, let’s do it again! He’s sleeping under the window, he was already told what to say to make the shadow come. What are the odds that he DOESN’T summon it back?? Seriously Neal? I want to like you! I do. I love young Bae. I love the Bae that stood up for people and did the right thing and had ideals and I just…don’t recognize you anymore. Dangling a kid for bait? It was the EASY way to get there for sure, but Neal himself said there were MANY ways to get places.
Not only did he use the kid as bait, he emotionally manipulated Robin Hood. Neal spent the whole ep saying all he had was Henry and Emma (and then admitting that he’ll go to save them but he may not quite have Emma, depending on a lot of stuff, some of which he failed to mention *grumble*). So what does he do? He hears Robin Hood’s sob story about his wife being DEAD, and knows that Roland is his world and STILL gets him to do it. NEAL did not exactly have a way of helping once the shadow grabbed the kid. It was Mulan that made it possible for him to jump after it. Raising your hand as if to scream “no pick me pick me” doesn’t cut it. Thank goodness Mulan had a better plan than that by using her sword! But seriously, this does not bode well and poor Robin Hood. The man was so afraid for his child and can you blame him?? I know Neal is worried about Henry and Emma being in NL as it’s not exactly his favorite place but it seems like his focus is more on making sure he tells Emma he loves her rather than getting them out of there. Every once in awhile he throws in an “I’ll save them” and then goes back to admitting he’s screwed up big time but I just don’t know with him sometimes. I want to like him, I just can’t with Emma for so many reasons! Also, this being his “2nd” chance, is laughable cause there have been quite a few along the way and Emma isn’t exactly as “infuriatingly optimistic” as Snow is. She’s much more like Charming in that regard. Likewise, she’s WAY more like MM (which is why they got along so much better) and goodness knows I get major cursed Snowing vibes from SF.
Pandering to both sides of the triangle with foreshadowing and parallels is driving me crazy. I know lots were celebrating the “roasted swan” as a SF reference but um, that was in the past, before Emma was even born. ANY relationship between them at any time was foreshadowed by that moment. Not endgame. According to Peter Pan, HENRY was meant to exist (which goes back to the conversation between Emma and Neal at the bar in Manhattan – something good was MEANT to come out of their relationship, and it did). Henry is supremely important apparently because he’s the truest believer and is the product not only of light but of darkness. He can save magic. That’s great! NOBODY is refuting this! He IS the product of light and dark. Don’t you think if he’s the product of true love on top of all of that, Peter Pan would have, I don’t know, SAID SOMETHING? Cause being the product of true love is super powerful. It’s what EMMA is. But PP glossed over Emma like she was NOTHING. So she broke a curse, so what? She is only important to PP for bringing Henry into the world and for being herself the product of light, as Bae is of dark. It doesn’t mean they have to end up together, just that they were meant to bring Henry into the world and have him grow up exactly as he did to be there right now to save magic. Pretty sure the conversation would have been completely different in how PP treated Emma if being the product of true love was something he associated with power, ESPECIALLY if it made Henry somehow doubly powerful.
So not a super heavy CS episode but it had lots of lovely subtle little moments of teamwork and being there for each other. Comfortable silence and trust is a wonderful thing and they were ANYTHING but awkward. I really loved how they showed just how comfortable they are with one another, especially showing it side-by-side with Snowing. It just felt…right. And again, just remember they didn’t have to show us that coconut scene, but it did occur AFTER Regina called Hook Emma’s boyfriend…and Emma wasn’t exactly steering clear of him to correct that impression to anyone, even the new girl. .
We may not get tons next week either should be Rumple/Neal heavy but hopefully we get some nice moments like this one and then we get a promo for 3×05 which should be huge!*fingers crossed* After all, feelings will be “hard to deny” and we’re running out of early episodes and something is bound to happen to solidify it right before Neal finds his way to where they are. Has to happen though. We need him there to save his kid, he has history in NL that he needs to confront just like everyone else is doing this season, he needs to bond with Rumple (who he forgot about when he said that Henry and Emma were all he had *sniff*) and ultimately, we need Emma to CHOOSE Hook. Plus there’s the kiss coming up that Matt Mitovich confirmed was CS I’m pretty sure so…that’s good!
Keep Calm and Ship CaptainSwan. Is it next Sunday yet? Cause I need it to be…or the one after that, that would be good too!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantHenry will get a little step-brother too! (Roland is adorable so we can’t forget about him!). But yeah, definitely loving Robin Hood! So much potential and he should be a fairly important character down the line to be paired with one of the leads so we should get lots more of him! Looking forward to it.
Loving the idea of these two together so can’t wait to see them actually sharing space (and not just peeking through windows)! I think Robin can handle Regina for sure! (Also, lots of Rs apparently: Robin Hood, Regina, and Roland).
Also really love the little touches like his lion shield tattoo. If I’m not mistaken, Robin Hood is usually associated with King Richard who was known as King Richard the Lionheart. According to wiki: “The lion is a common charge in heraldry. It traditionally symbolizes bravery, valor, strength, and royalty, since traditionally, it is regarded as the king of beasts.”
(For those wondering, heraldry deals with family crests, shields, etc). So it actually sounds like a really good match for Regina, especially since he’s the least likely of anyone we know to have any actual grievances against her already since he was never in SB or met her in the EF. Can’t wait!
I’ve seen many names for this ship and new ones keep popping up now that it’s canon and people have reason to put these two together even though they haven’t shared screentime. RegalArrow, RegalHood, OutlawQueen (popped up tonight and I gotta say, even though I’ve heard the others more, I kinda like the sound of that last one!) and goodness knows what else.
Either way, they’re canon! As sad as it can be for the fun headcanons, we at least have some answers which is nice moving forward. I’ll take answers over false hope any day of the week, even if they are depressing at times (in this case, my world wasn’t shattered and I actually like the idea of them together so am looking forward to it, but I know many are upset right now as well. We’ll just have to wait and see it play out. Bet they make us love it! *Gives cookies* in honor of fallen ships*).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantMini-rant before I run out the door cause I’m seeing some ugly stuff.
Too soon? TOO SOON? Um…she may have thought he just died, but he’s been out of her life for how long? They haven’t been together in over a decade, not to mention there is a LOT of hurt there that she has every right to be angry about, not even just the jail thing cause let’s face it: the tons of mistakes after that have been MUCH more aggrivating than his intial attempt to do the right thing and help her find her family. That’s not even a reason for me at this point even though I’m sure Emma feels hurt and rejected and had to go pregnancy and childbirth IN JAIL for his crimes. But I digress…
TOO SOON is Neal FORGETTING he was engaged to Tamara five minutes ago. TOO SOON is not addressing that betrayal or hurt at all! A&E confirmed that he had moved on and DID love Tamara so what, that just goes out the window now that she’s no longer an option? Cause he sure didn’t choose Emma while Tamara was still pretending to love him, that’s for darn sure!
I do love Bae, I want him to be happy, but this really irks me! I’ve seen so many people hate on CSers for acknowledging that he loved Tamara, but it’s true. Was she his true love, heck no. Totally wrong for him on so many levels and I’m just as upset with her as anybody for hurting him. That doesn’t mean Emma has to put up with all of it and take him back though. He made his choice, she’s free to make hers. ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY WEREN’T TOGETHER, they haven’t ever really “known” each other, and they certainly don’t know each other now.
So no, anything that happens with Emma and Hook WHICH HAS BEEN BUILDING SINCE THEY MET and she was too afraid to trust it BECAUSE OF BEING BURNED BY NEAL is not “too soon.” Not at all. In fact, “it’s about bloody time.”
/end rant, time to head out the door soon.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAgreed agreed agreed! Bless JMO, she handles everything so beautifully even when potentially horrible stuff is thrown at her. Her answers were perfect!
Some thoughts:
The kiss thing – so excited! She teased that her favorite CS scene hasn’t come up yet and today there’s a tease about a KISS as well as talking about how Hook has been impressing her and being a “TRUE HELP” – uh, things we’ve been saying all along! His dialogue has always been about offering her help if only she’d trust him and they make a great team and guys they’re working together as a team right now in NL and just, ahhh feels.
They mentioned that wonderful CS scene in the previously on as in…it’s gonna be important! (I know this was already said but major gushing going on for sure!)
THANK YOU JMO. Seriously. Apparently it wasn’t enough LAST WEEK when Emma told Snow that she only said that stuff cause she thought they were dying. That was blatant, WITHIN THE SHOW canon that Emma still has unresolved issues with people who have hurt her in the past and that it WON’T be swept under a rug! Same goes for Henry it would seem. They ALL have a lot of past resentment and things to work up to! It’s like Neal when Rumple was dying – he hasn’t forgiven him for everything but still loves him deep down. Same with Emma and her relationship with Snowing. She’ll love them and worry about them but underneath it all, NOTHING can erase those painful years growing up alone and feeling abandoned.
The fact that JMO actually outright said in a defensive way for Emma that Neal showing up wouldn’t erase 10 years of pain made me so happy. It should have been fairly obvious they set that up last week big time on the show, but to non-CSers I guess some still thought the portal scene was the end-all, be-all of Swanfire which is WAY too OOC for Emma. They have issues that need to be dealt with and I’m so happy at least one character is addressing that! (And that it’s Emma!)
By the end of the episode, we should know who Regina is supposed to be with. THANK GOODNESS. Then we can knock it off with all of her ships and just know so that more people don’t get their hopes up for something. It’s always sad when ANY headcanon is dashed but I’d like season 3 to be a cementing of any of the big relationships as far as canon TL goes. Regina isn’t supposed to have even met the guy yet which pretty much leaves Robin Hood and I think they’ll be a good fit (plus he has a kid which should make her happy). I just don’t want more of the constant shipper drama, so having anything nailed down is a good thing. Headcanons and wishes are fun, but there’s always fanfiction. I’m sick of people getting their hopes up only to be shut down bigtime and feeling like they’ve been led on / lied to and taking it out on A&E, regardless of the ship.
Seriously excited and need this episode now! I’ll be away most of the rest of the evening tonight (grr!) but at least we’re getting close to the episode finally. Every ep this season so far has had amazing stuff for us and I hope that continues! (Pretty sure it will!)
Parallels are huge on this show and we’ve seen some pretty blatant ones within episodes:
Tallahassee – Emma’s past with Neal compared to her present with Hook (don’t really need to elaborate on this here, do I?) 😉
Manhattan – Emma/Neal compared to Milah/Rumple (perfect comparison really). It WAS tragic for Rumple but he BELONGS with Belle. Similar circumstances all around, especially with Neal doing whatever he can right now to get back to Emma, like Rumple doing what he had to to get home to Milah & Bae. Yes it will be sad for Neal because he’s had a horrible life like Rumple did, but it’s also their choices that have gotten them to these points where relationships (yes, even relationships with kids) fall apart and it just means something better is down the line for him. Right NOW he is focused on getting to Emma and Henry, but it is not Emma’s responsibility to make things right for a guy who’s had a screwed up life. It’s her responsibility to choose what is right FOR HER. Have faith! (And trust and um…pixie dust?) 😉
Lost Girl – CaptainSwan to Snowing. Need I say more?
All of this gives me hope that these things have been set up for a reason. I feel like history is repeating itself in a way but that it won’t be as bad as last time around because they will have learned from their mistakes (ie: Neal won’t even try to take Emma’s heart as punishment for her choosing Hook so he won’t become his father). The idea of this season seems to be learn from the past, embrace who you are NOW, and find a way to move forward – otherwise they’d all basically be in jail and there would be no story. They have to try to redeem themselves and embrace who they are NOW and who they want to become. No more living in the past. In fact, Lost Girl’s scene with RumBelle was literally a “let go of the past” scene. Some characters have farther to go than others but I truly think they’ll all find their happy endings and who they’re MEANT to be with, not who anybody else wants them with, or who they’ve thought they were supposed to be with.
They’ve shown over and over again that Hook has given up everything to help Emma. He’s going out of his way to protect her loved ones as well, and is impressing her every step of the way! Can’t wait til we get more of his backstory 3×05!!! So close! And it’s supposed to help us see why he & Emma are such kindred spirits, yay! . While they’re emphasizing that both men in her life are pretty focused on her right now, we’re getting to see Emma open up to Hook more. She GENUINELY SMILED when he complimented her on her patience and figuring out the map! SHE FLIRTED BACK before her walls went up when she found out the man truly wanted to know the real her better. She IS focused on getting to Henry but it doesn’t make her BLIND to the fact that an amazing man who is basically everything she’s ever DREAMED of (aka: respects her, comes back for her, supports her, DOES WHAT HE SAYS HE WILL DO, etc etc) is standing right in front of her and PROVING himself to her through actions and not words! Thank goodness JMO, at the very least, is not letting the past slide with Neal. After all, she’s the one that wanted Charming to punch him in the face last year and that was WITHOUT and BEFORE all the Neverland stuff where it has become OBVIOUS that Hook is making strides.
That with the fact that other cast members who seemed to outright HATE the idea last season are saying hmm, there might be a case to be made here, you’ll have to wait and see *cough* Ginny/Josh *cough* is a big deal for us! As well as their emphasis on EMMA choosing. Thank goodness more are seeing it and hopefully realizing the setup has been there all along!
Ok gotta go, wedding to get to in a little bit but so excited after this panel! 1 more day to a new ep!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI was just about to come in here and comment on that! Somebody the other day said Adam had confirmed that Greg and Lancelot were dead and I’m pretty sure he had only confirmed that Greg and TAMARA were dead. Lancelot has always been a question mark and they’ve teased since that episode aired that it all depends on whether Cora is trustworthy because we only have her word for it (I for one, do not buy it for a second!).
So here’s hoping we DO get more of Lancelot cause I really enjoyed him and his friendship with Snow. It would be nice to come across him again sometime and have Snow learn that someone she thought was lost wasn’t really lost at all. She could use some good news down the road and they left way too many threads with his story out there. They teased at a lot of stuff that wasn’t paid off in his episode so hopefully we get it eventually! I’m encouraged by the Camelot shoutout, even if it is just another nod to the story.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantJust a quick thought I meant to post last night and got distracted:
Tallahassee – Hook recognized the orphan in Emma’s eyes from the first day they met on that trip up the beanstalk. He saw who she really was when she wouldn’t let anyone in on that.
Manhattan – Emma asks Neal if he knew who she was and he says “If I had, I wouldn’t have gone near you”
Lost Girl – Emma finally has to accept who she is and admits it to Snow even though she knows it’ll hurt her, saying that she’s felt like an orphan her whole life. We also see Hook genuinely ask who Emma is (even though WE already know that he knows) and she gets a little flirty/challenges him and says “Wouldn’t you like to know?” to which he replies sincerely, Â “Perhaps I would.” (Which of course is when she sees just how real this is for him and she can’t focus on that right now cause she has to find Henry so she leaves it there and walks off for the time being.
So to recap: Hook knows and has always known who she was but still wants to know more, and Neal saying that if he had known who she really was, he wouldn’t have gone anywhere near her. Remind me why I’m NOT supposed to be shipping CaptainSwan?
Between these moments, the outright statement that Neal can (and has) moved on from Emma before (“If I knew she ok, I could move on”), Charming’s constant “Once you find [true love] it can never be replaced,” the camera purposefully panning to Emma/Hook’s reactions when the other is talking about TRUE LOVE and finding their HAPPY ENDINGS, and now the fact that not only does Hook KNOW who she really is (something that nobody else in her life seems to get yet, even stuff she didn’t want to admit but now has) and ACTUALLY WANTS TO KNOW HER EVEN BETTER vs the guy who, had he known WHO SHE WAS would never have gone near her I just…..
Yep, this ship sails itself and they’ve been setting up the slow burn from the beginning. Can’t imagine how anybody thinks this is something new or that we’re still delusional or that it’s one-sided. Emma is becoming more and more impressed and open with him as time goes on and nobody gets the REAL her like he does. Right now it may be mostly Hook, but she is getting closer and closer to accepting just how close she feels to him.
Love the gif of Charming reaching for Snow’s hand while Emma puts her arm behind Hook when they’re looking at the map! As well as the drinking parallels, the winning over protectors parallels, the being supportive parallels, the outright BELIEF that Hook has in her which is HUGE, the actions > words, just…everything is perfect. They are a TEAM and they work like one. None of this “it’s too dangerous for you” but ACTUAL TEAMWORK – just like Snowing. I love it!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantLove all of this! Agreed, this stuff is NOT coming out of the blue but has been slowly building and is only now becoming SUPER obvious to those who may have questioned it before.
Also really loving the analysis of the show. They have a very limited time to show stuff so to take the time to show us these moments and Hook’s reactions to what Emma says and to have some of these quiet moments where he’s helping and supporting her when they’re on this mission to go get Henry is important. It’s ALL important.
Every time we see Hook or Emma talk about finding their happy endings or true love, the camera IMMEDIATELY goes to the other person. That’s deliberate. They could have gone to anyone when Emma talked about being the product of true love. They could have showed a beaming Snow & Charming holding hands and grinning at each other like idiots but they showed us HOOK.
Hook and Regina had a genuinely nice moment in the premiere but they made a point of panning to him looking at Emma when he talked of hoping to find his happy ending. They could have just left it as a nice conversation between them, or him looking off into the distance somewhere, but they made a point of showing him looking directly at Emma.
On top of all the parallels and having Hook OBVIOUSLY trying to win over Charming just like Charming had to win over Grumpy I just…how is it so hard to see the setup? Or at least the potential of it meaning SOMETHING. This is not setting up a FLING, Hook genuinely cares for her and it’s only growing. We’re only 2 episodes in and so many feelings already! This season is going to be great! (Especially for CaptainSwan progression and it’s about time!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantThere was definitely more trust going on! They were so supportive of each other and their judgement, just like Snowing. It was beautiful to see all the parallels (most especially Hook trying to bond with Charming like Charming once had to with Grumpy!)
I know some have been reading the “Wouldn’t you like to know?” and walking off as not interested but Emma’s main focus right now is finding Henry. She genuinely smiled (a couple of times in this ep!) in moments she shared alone with Hook and in that particular moment, she actually got really flirty! It was a CHALLENGE. She was testing him and expecting him to flirt back a little and then he got all serious and blatantly obvious that he really meant what he said before (which she KNOWS cause she can tell when people are lying) and it FREAKED HER OUT. Her walls INSTANTLY went back up because she IS focused on Henry and she doesn’t have time to sort out her feelings with all this stuff right now.
JMO said in one of her interviews that Hook is basically exceeding Emma’s expectations right now! (Which I totally believe that he is). Emma knew he’d been there before and knows the way around and all that, but he’s really stepping up and SHOWING that he can be trusted and being supportive of her and trying to win over her family and help her save her son and it’s all adding up to something wonderful!
Seriously, if she was “shutting him down” it wasn’t because she’s not interested or she wouldn’t have been so flirty with him to begin with, ESPECIALLY under these circumstances! I can’t imagine she would have willingly shared a drink STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE if she wasn’t remotely interested in the idea because again, she doesn’t need rum to survive and she took a sip AFTER him which most wouldn’t do. She even licked her lips afterwards and looked all flirty and batting her eyelashes a bit until he took it the serious route and said “Perhaps I would [like to get to know you]” – OF COURSE she panicked! Now is not the time, just like stopping mid-speech to chat with him about what he said before was not the time.
It doesn’t mean she’s not into it at all, it means that she has her priorities straight. Hook isn’t pushing. He’s making sure she SEES and HEARS and KNOWS that HE IS THERE FOR HER. He takes CARE of her. She even pointed that out by commenting on the rum cause every single time he brings out the rum it is to take care of her. He cleaned her wound, he helped her mourn and toast to their (supposedly fallen but not really) friend, and now he’s celebrating with her that she unlocked the map JUST LIKE HE KNEW SHE WOULD. He didn’t doubt her, JUST LIKE CHARMING KNEW SNOW had it in her to go against Regina. Neither of them took the easy way out and they both supported the women in these situations and it was beautiful to watch.
I especially love that Hook is SO complimentary and appreciative of what Emma is capable of. Even when she steamrolls HIS plans, he’s on board 100% and goes with it and cheers her on. We saw a lot of Snowing being supportive of Emma but she brushed that off a lot too, leading up to that highly emotional moment with Snow, but right after that, when she came to grips with who she has felt like her whole life (aka: the orphan which Hook totally CALLED on the beanstalk because he SAW it in her eyes), she was able to unlock the map and went to celebrate and FLIRT with Hook. She genuinely smiles in his company and it’s been a LONG time since we’ve seen her smile. She shut down afterwards ONLY because it made her panic and put her walls back in place.
Flirting is one thing, having a laugh over drinks sure, but something real? Emma doesn’t do “real” – real is what burns her. The last time she enjoyed herself around Hook, she was too afraid to trust him and now she’s having to put her trust in him because of where they are but it’s also getting to her. She WANTS to trust him and he is doing everything in his power to SHOW her that her first instincts were right but also that there IS something real between them and that he WASN’T lying (which, she should already realize). Actions > words and he is SHOWING her time and time again (along with a few well-placed compliments which are nice reinforcement but for women like Snow & Emma, they need to be SHOWN as well and they’ve proved that time and time again).
Emma is now seeing that Hook is sincere and he is CLEARLY behaving differently. He’s more serious with his pursuit even though he’s just flirting and being supportive & complimentary. I imagine for awhile, every chance he gets to bond with her he’ll take but when it turns remotely serious in nature like it did with him flat out saying he wanted to get to know the real her, she’ll probably keep shutting down for a bit but she won’t forget about it. It won’t be easy but he’ll win them ALL over eventually. They understand each other, he knows why she’s being that way and it’s not phasing him. She didn’t respond to what he said last time and he spent the first part of their hike through Neverland asking if she thought he was handsome (cute puppy dog face).
I mean…the guy is not gonna stop flirting and trying to bond but he knows when to be serious as well and frankly – Emma needs that balance. Otherwise she’s gonna explode with everything she’s dealing with right now and the pressure she’s under. Hook knows when to flirt and if he tries that and realizes she needs something different from him, he immediately shifts into supportive/comforting/serious mode and helps her through whatever. After all, they MAKE QUITE A TEAM and they’re showing that again and again. I LOVE the fact that now they’re a team SIDE BY SIDE with Snowing cause these two couples have a lot more in common than Charming would like to admit right now but  I have high hopes for that changing this season!
One last thing from twitter last night: Emma wears a shoelace from Graham’s boot around her wrist near that tattoo we still haven’t had explained. So she’s kept something from every meaningful relationship that she’s had in her life (Miss “I’m not sentimental” – HA!). (She gave Neal’s keychain/necklace back, but she still wears Graham’s shoelace, has Hook’s scarf – which is soaked in blood and rum I might add – locked in her desk at the Sheriff’s office, and she’s always taken her baby blanket from Granny/Snowing from home to home).
It’s just so refreshing and I do feel a little vindicated that all the stuff we called back from Tallahassee about how there was SO much more to Hook and that they really do understand each other and that something beautiful could exist between the two is finally being acknowledged, even by those who once either ignored the possibility or called us delusional for seeing it. We’ve been through this for about a year now and it’s about time they started showing more and more of that side of Hook because Killian Jones is amazing and finally coming to the forefront. As much as Emma needs to embrace her inner orphan and Hook will help her do so, Emma brings out the best in KILLIAN too and I expect them to do that this season.
Hopefully anybody who was saying before that Hook would just be a fling has gotten the memo this season. The man is not interested in a fling. He wants to get to KNOW her, the real her. He FANCIES her. He has no reason to be there when everyone betrayed him but he is still there FOR HER. If we’re supposed to believe that Neal has just completely wiped out all the pain and hurt from Tamara in 2.5 seconds and is focused on Emma, then it’s only fair to point out that Hook has been focused on Emma for awhile now and while he comes with his own set of baggage (as does she), he is in this for something REAL. This is a man who has cared DEEPLY for ONE WOMAN for centuries trying to avenge her death. He is a pirate and may or may not have been putting on a show for Rumple on the ship when coward Rumple confronted him about Milah but we know he loved Milah deeply and everything for hundreds of years was ABOUT HER and he GAVE THAT UP and gave up everything, including his HOME, to help Emma. That is HUGE and you do NOT do something like that FOR A FLING.
Emma has always said she’s a 1 night stand kind of girl and after the Neal fiasco and how it looked to her at the time, I can’t say it surprises me. So why then would she NOT just have a fling with Hook for the heck of it and make him go away if that’s all he supposedly wants? Um, I don’t know…because IT MIGHT BE REAL FOR HER TOO?? She can tell when he’s lying to her. She sees he’s being sincere and it is freaking her out because it’s REAL and because she’s drawn to him too and she can’t afford to let herself be right now because she has to save Henry and she’s afraid of getting hurt again so she doesn’t let ANYONE in. The last time she even tried, the guy was killed for choosing her. These are not exactly setups for her letting herself feel again but slowly and surely, Hook is knocking down those walls and proving to her and to those that love her, that he’s in this for something real. He’s NOT going to be happy with a fling and he will fight to keep her. NOTHING we have been shown about him would suggest otherwise, especially since he’s making such a big deal about saying things IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. Sooner or later somebody is going to pick up on it and call her out on it too (hopefully Snow) but in the meantime, he can but keep trying while AT THE SAME TIME being extremely supportive and comforting to her on a level that does not include any typical fling material.
This is really happening and Season 3 feels like a dream come true so far! Can’t wait to see more interaction between them cause a) it’s about time! and b) it’s beautiful and just gives me more and more hope that they really do share this connection and that deep down, Emma has known it from the beanstalk on (it freaked her out then just as much as it is now for the same reasons – she just needs to let the past go which I think she’ll have to this season). Emma is tired of being manipulated and having others tell her who she is and making decisions for her. This is HER life and I can’t wait to watch her make her choose cause, at least to some of us, it’s been obvious from the start that her real chance for happiness is with Killian and I can’t wait to watch it unfold more and more each week!
/end rambles (I know I’m preaching to the choir but this episode made me so happy!)
*passes out cookies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantInteresting! Looks like they’re very similar with a couple of things moved around a little (Skull Rock is in a different location).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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