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All good stuff, I seriously can’t wait for this episode!
I agree that some of these things could definitely go a couple of ways. I think with the other name thing, it’s probably Snow to Emma because Emma isn’t currently accepting the daughter role except in dire circumstances when she reverts to calling them mom and dad, and then goes back to snow white and prince charming so that’s highly likely.
Watching Hook react to Emma tell him about the Peter Pan movie will be hysterical and I agree – perm line is probably relating to that. After all, we know Lana couldn’t make a perm work for the Welcome to Storybrooke 80s storyline, so the only perm we know of that would be logical would be from the Captain Hook in Peter Pan and that should make for a lighter moment in what is sure to be a tension-filled situation. I hadn’t even thought of the perm in relation to the fact that she’s supposed to talk to him about the movie so excellent catch! I could definitely see him asking how he was portrayed and her trying not to laugh about the ridiculous hair.
Yes, we can presume that probably by around 3×07 that Neal will be in Neverland, both from the photobombing and from them saying he’ll get there eventually & Neverland should only be the first half of the season. It makes sense storywise to have him be there, as he spent a lot of time there before. It also makes sense cause he & Rumple have their issues, as well as him, Emma, and Hook maybe needing to put aside all their differences and work together to save Henry. We still don’t know how Hook and Neal escaped before and for all we know, Hook may have had a hand in helping Neal get out and they might be able to work together on it.
Side bar: Glossing over the “enjoy it while it lasts” comment because upon further reflection, I think it was meant in an entirely different way than I initially took it. While it can equate to “I’m not looking forward to this part but some of you are so have fun,” it can also come across as “yeah enjoy your time now cause once he’s back it’s a done deal and your time is over,” which is more opinion than fact (and admittedly, is how I read it the first time.)
We are all entitled to our opinion and to not look forward to things and to hold out hope for our scenario of choice. They have set up both sides with seemingly foreshadowing endgame details that it could go either way (more frustrating than helpful!), and none of us actually KNOW what will happen, so I’m going to assume in this case it was the more the former and move on.
I do agree, however, that any outright happiness on behalf of CS (or its fans) would be interrupted by his arrival and force it back into more of a triangle so I would hazard a guess that was what was meant and nothing more. Slurpeez – I’m really not trying to attack you! I actually really enjoy your analysis of things! I know that many aren’t particularly thrilled with that tease and I don’t blame anyone on either side for holding out hope! (That is what this show is about after all, right?) 🙂
/end derailment of thread as I really do want to talk about what all was on that list! I’m SICK of the shipping wars entering neutral territory. I was just a little hurt when I first saw it and intent is hard to read sometimes. *gives cookies*
Back to the list: The Belle thing. I really really hope it’s a figment of his imagination and he’s thinking of what Belle would want him to do or remembering how strong she is and holding onto that rather than it be some trick of the shadow or of Pan. I agree, fans will riot if they twist RumBelle even more than they have already and it’s not helped by the fact that Belle/Storybrooke haven’t been seen yet. So hopefully our first glimpse of Belle this season is a good one but now I’m a little worried. I want a good RumBelle scene! On the plus side it did say something about Rumple fans enjoying themselves so… *fingers crossed*!
I imagine the line about father being a distrustful fellow could be Hook’s. The group doesn’t trust him and Charming is at the top of that list. Since this should mostly be a Snowing episode where Charming has to win over the dwarves (and at this point Snow’s father is dead and so is Charming’s), it would make more sense that it’s a present-day line in NL and likely to come from Hook to Emma.
As for “yes, blame me again” that could be…just about anybody’s under any circumstances. I imagine things will still be a little heated among the group and they all will feel like they’re being dumped on for one thing or another, whether it’s parenting choices for Snowing, or Regina, or just Hook getting blamed for anything left and right, not to mention we have no idea what’s going on in the flashbacks that could prompt such a comment as it could be just about anything. The only main person I can’t imagine having to say it would be Emma or Charming, as if it’s a parenting thing directed from Snowing, it’s likely to be in the Snow/Emma moment we’re supposed to be getting that’s highly emotional. That could be the tip of it perhaps, since we saw Emma go off on her parents last week and she likely blames them for Henry being taken in the first place since she listened to Snow’s idea at the time.
It could also very easily be Regina as the pacing of the words reads like something she might say and she’s kind of the odd person out right now in the group. Snow has Charming and vice versa, Emma has her parents as well as Hook, the only person Hook has is Emma because she’s the only one who’s offered him an olive branch and asked him to be a part of something, so really the only one who doesn’t have at least one person who *might* be willing to trust them is Regina. She’s more on the fringe because she’s included as Henry’s mother but begrudgingly so by everyone else so I could see her snapping at someone easily if they were to make any comment about being so distracted by the failsafe that none of them saw Henry being taken, or the fact that the failsafe existed in the first place and blaming her for him being snatched.
From everything I’ve heard and seen so far this should be an amazing episode and I can’t wait! We are in desperate need of new material to pour over and with them even mentioning this is JMO’s best acting to date it sounds like there’s some really good stuff. I’m definitely looking forward to seeing how they incorporate the sword in the stone concept with regards to Snow, as well as Charming winning over the protective dwarves, especially Grumpy! Love Snow & Grumpy’s friendship but in the past, Charming is still the outsider who has to win them over and it should be amazing to watch! I’m just happy to get back to FTL Snowing stories cause that’s where I loved them the most and what got me hooked to begin with.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI was looking at pictures from next episode of Once. Hook’s standing right behind Emma in one and in another. He’s guarding her back.
I saw that too and thought the same thing! Love it!
There’s an article with 10 teases for 3×02 and these really stood out to me as big things for us:
4. Emma goes on a journey of self-discovery. 9. There’s a budding romance between a couple of characters that will send an uproar through the fandom. 10. Captain Hook and David getting along…no, really. – http://www.hypable.com/2013/09/24/once-upon-a-time-season-3-episode-1-episode-2-tidbits/
Um, yes please to all of the above! I’m definitely curious about what the others are referring to as well of course but these 3 really jumped out at me as possibly very good things for our ship!
A little worried about who might be fatally injured since they just killed off the most expendable of the bunch, but hopefully if it’s someone we like they can be saved!
It’s been said that Hook is supposed to save Charming from some kind of “thorny” situation so that can only be good for us. Yay for bonding moments! I can’t wait for Snowing to realize that like it or not, Hook has given up everything to help them when he had no good reason to do so since they have all betrayed him. He didn’t even complain about his ship!
So in love with all the reaction shots we got in 3×01. I mean really, almost every time Emma opened her mouth we saw Hook reacting to it and most of those were extremely caring, concerned, or proud. We definitely saw more of KILLIAN come out this episode. Emma really does bring out the best in him. He knows they’re kindred spirits and he isn’t fighting it at this point. He knows what she needs and backs off the sillyness accordingly. Then we’re shown things like him holding his breath until she coughed up the water. Being proud of her at the end of her speech just like Charming. Incredible.
Something that I’ve seen pointed out but that I really really love is that Emma doesn’t drink with just anyone. In fact of the guys, she’s turned Neal down for a drink the two times we’ve seen him ask, she just looked at August incredulously but agreed ONLY so that she would find out what he was up to because he was talking to her kid, Graham she shut down even thinking he was getting her the drink which was actually from Henry, and then we have Hook. He doesn’t even have to ask. He knows she needs one…that THEY need one, to mourn their friend, and she just looks up incredulously and says “Thanks.”
He watched her be upset with her family and heard Rumple upset her and she went below decks to get some space which she presumably had for a little while, and then he went down to check on her. To make sure that she was ok. That scene was one of the nicest, and quietest moments and so underrated but very touching. These two GET each other.
Also fun? Hook’s reaction to Charming whining about having to work with Regina and Hook. It was a long reaction shot that was like “Really? After everything I’ve done you don’t think I want to help?” It was overly exaggerated and they made a point of showing it and I couldn’t help but laugh. Charming’s a tough nut to crack but I really think he’ll appreciate Hook being a man of action and eventually they’re bound to get along and not just every once in awhile. They have a lot more in common than first meets the eye.
I really loved the looks Charming was giving out too though. He got all protective/menacing as if to show Hook he better not screw up if he’s going to let him tag along and help because Emma said they had to ALL work together. Reminded me of the protective glares that Hook was giving Rumple, both in the season 2 finale and the season 3 premiere. Protective from a distance but trusting her to handle herself at the same time and ready to jump in if needbe. Love it!
Can’t wait til we get more pics or sneaks. Chomping at the bit for 3×02 for sure!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantEnding?!? It can’t end, I won’t allow it! It will go on foreverrrrr.
Ok but seriously all I want is for everyone to get along and be happy. All of them to have their beautiful love stories, all the main characters to survive and redeem themselves and get along. Henry needs everyone in his life and that makes for one crazy big dysfunctional family but family nonetheless!
I like the idea that Storybrooke could be a bridge between the two worlds so that those who want to stay can without being permanently cut off from the rest. I definitely want the EF to be restored and I want Henry to get to see it someday. Until now he’s been left to reading about the stories rather than being a part of them and I want to see him riding horses and training with swords and seeing the world he’s read about come to life in front of his eyes. He is the grandson of a prince after all!
As for my version of the perfect ending I’m really not sure. I don’t want to think that far in advance. There are a couple of things I want to have happen at some point, but I can’t even begin to envision exactly what that ending might be or how those might play out.
We’ve still got a long way to go on this journey (*fingers crossed!*) but I have faith that whatever they do with it will be wonderful. It’s not about the destination but the journey and so far we’ve been on a beautiful ride!
Loving reading all the different versions of happy endings, and even if I don’t agree with some of it, it’s interesting to think about. Love the idea of a Thanksgiving dinner with all of them there! I really want them all to get along when it’s all said and done but that wouldn’t mean Thanksgiving wouldn’t have some wonderful potential to be interesting! Just cause they all get along most of the time and tolerate each other doesn’t mean they’ll stop being snarky from time to time and I love the snark.
If Rumple does sacrifice himself in some way I want Belle to be able to save him (their Disney story hasn’t been completed yet and that would tie in nicely and remove his Dark One curse as well!). Basically I don’t want to see True Love fail and if Belle can’t complete what she started in Skin Deep and break his Dark One curse, to me that would be failing. After that happens I suppose he *could* sacrifice himself for redemption but I’d still rather see our TL couples survive and ride off into the sunset when it’s all over so I hope that doesn’t happen! Plus he’s part of the family and the family has been through enough.
So here’s to not ending any time soon and loving whatever story they choose to tell!
*passes out cookies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantMysteryKat25 wrote: ANY shipper thread as those should be HAPPY PLACES for said ship/crackship. Ship and let ship (even and most especially crackships).
Yes, I agree. ’shipper threads should be a safe haven for ‘shippers. Seriously, guys.
Love this and wanted to say thanks for the link you posted! I didn’t see it til scrolling just now to see the newest post (I seriously miss the preview function so I’d know what I missed while typing!).
There are definitely a lot of nice fun parallels for MuFire meeting and CaptainSwan meeting for sure! Loved their interaction (and the movie reference was hilarious).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantScreams/sighs/throws something & takes a deep breath. I’m not mad, I’m more frustrated because seeing written words be twisted is nerve-wracking and I thought I made a point to explain myself fully earlier. I’ll try again.
Again sorry to any who read it as EVERY SINGLE ONE thinks that and is anti-Hook. I explained why I am touchy about that because once again, I *felt* like I was being told that in order to ship MuFire I must be anti-Neal and that is not the case. I would certainly hope NOBODY is shipping just to get rid of the spare to their love triangle, regardless of which crackship it is.
As for the Disney canon comment I meant exactly that: for ME, if we see BOTH MEMBERS of a Disney Canon couple, I personally will be very sad to see them be split up and I personally BELIEVE that they won’t do that. So the equivalent of me NOT going to a Hookriel happy place and saying “you guys can’t happen and are sunk because Eric will be there” is coming here to a MuFire thread and saying “you guys can’t happen because Neal and Emma forever.” I even said in my initial MuFire post that it was one of my concerns stopping me from completely embracing them because I was afraid it would be an issue even though I love the idea. There’s nothing wrong with voicing concerns about something you love and then trying to figure out ways around it! We ALL do it to keep our hopes alive. To each their own.
It’s just not the appropriate place to say things like that or rather, to harp on it. It’s one thing to say it and as to why you can’t ship it and I understand that completely! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and not everyone is going to like it! It all boils down to our own INTERPRETATION of the facts. It may very well happen that they change Eric’s story entirely but SOME of us may think that Eric showing up AT ALL = it won’t happen that way. Likewise, I made sure to say ABOUT MY CRACKSHIP that if Shang shows up, I’m gonna have a really tough time buying that Mulan shouldn’t be with him again because of Disney Canon. So no, I didn’t cloak my feelings about the POTENTIAL Eric storyline by hiding under the Disney Canon umbrella – I used it for BOTH crackships and had a very firm opinion on the matter as I always have. It doesn’t mean that I am RIGHT about my Disney Canon belief so it is not an actual FACT that I would ever dream of going to a Hookriel happy place and telling them to give up. THAT WAS THE POINT. Interpretation vs outright proof. Until then let everyone be happy in their shipper bubble!
I have always said that Hookriel was an interesting option under a couple of caveats – one being back when we didn’t know the age of the actress in question cause that could have been rather awkward, and 2 that they were double-dipping Hook/Eric which they aren’t. It has always been the same opinion from me, but it is a CRACKSHIP and people are entitled to enjoy it. There’s a long list of ships that will never sail but are fun to think about and regardless of which current crackships end up on that list, they will always remain so! To each their own!
As per my thoughts on that potential storyline, I said it saddened me the lengths that SOME were going to with the EXPRESS PURPOSE of getting rid of Hook. So if I said that and you weren’t one of them saying that? Then you’re not one of the ones that makes me unhappy and I’ve pointed out at least twice now that not EVERY CSer hates Neal and ships him to get rid of him and not EVER SFer ships Hook to get rid of him! I have heard many that DO want him gone and I’m tired of getting dumped on for liking him/CaptainSwan and being accused of hating Neal and wanting to ship him out of the way. That was the point. Believe me I KNOW how it feels and I DO NOT BELIEVE that everybody on the opposing side is doing what I feel like I was being accused of doing. I just mentioned why I was extra touchy about it.
I appreciate the use of actual reasons within the crackship that it could happen that way. Just like I pointed out for MuFire that perhaps Shang doesn’t even have to appear because of the original story. That’s fine! That’s an actual reason to say maybe Eric would be that character! Believe me, I get grasping for anything that makes a crackship possible and I understand wanting Ariel to stay around and involving her with Hook would make her a more central character. Those are GREAT reasons to want it and you’re welcome to do that! Especially if the intent of the original story opens the door!
My POINT was that to some it is a “perceived sunkenness” to the ship, like the comments about Neal and Emma forever are “perceived sunkenness” for MuFire, but that shipping threads should be happy places for the actual shippers, not places to continue the CSF debate and what we all think “has to happen” which vastly differs. THAT IS ALL. (Similarly, I made a POINT of saying I appreciate the actual tweet that pretty much sunk us vs the inference that Neal couldn’t love again. It was much more applicable and appropriate and went more toward telling us not to get our hopes up vs “I don’t think you’ll have a chance because this other ship you don’t like has to happen.” There’s a difference!)
Again I’m sorry if anyone was offended because their crackship was attacked in an effort to show exactly why I FEEL attacked here and why it should NEVER happen in ANY shipper thread as those should be HAPPY PLACES for said ship/crackship. Ship and let ship (even and most especially crackships).
I should never have brought it up and I apologize, even though I do feel it’s comparable to the situation. This board is overwhelmingly Hookriel so of course someone was going to feel attacked for that and again, I apologize. BOTH threads should be safe places for those who WANT to ship it. I’m just tired of feeling like only one side is safe because it’s overwhelmingly popular around here. Everyone should have a safe place to go and clearly MuFire interferes with what SFers (mostly) want and Hookriel interferes for sure with what CSers want but I bet there are some that either don’t have a preference between the two or actually only like the idea of either Hookriel or MuFire or both without any of the other stuff getting in the way, so for the sake of people who actually enjoy their crackships, let’s leave the shippy threads to the shippers so that we can ALL have our little safe havens. Enough is enough and that was the point.
Now can we PLEASE get back to Mulan/Neal, what little bit we have left of them?!? Please?
(I say this and I’ll probably actually just start avoiding threads again because I’m sick of it always coming back to the CSF debate when I really enjoyed the potential here but SOME may want to come back and actually enjoy the ship.)
*passes out cookies and runs*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI’ve seen some diehard anti-Hook people want Eric to be gay so that Ariel can be with Hook and they can disappear off the show and make way for SwanFire. Does it make me mad? You betcha.
Ummm, just for the record, as one of the people who has discussed the possibility of Eric being gay, just wanted to say that it’s NOT because I’m “anti-Hook”, I’m actually Hooker. There’s actual reasoning behind the theory, which is based in the intent of the author of the original story when he wrote it, and also the fact that they’ve said they do intend to introduce gay characters in the near future, so this might be a way they do it, because typically there aren’t traditionally gay fairytale characters. You don’t need to personally be on board with the idea, but please do not go assuming that those of us who have entertained the idea are simply doing it because we hate Hook and want him to disappear off the show with Ariel so SwanFire can happen, because that is absolutely not the case. That is all. Carry on.
Had a lot to say and then decided not to derail even further. Sorry Phee, that was NEVER my intention and I coulda sworn I said something about that since I’m touchy about people assuming I ship Neal to get rid of him. Definitely didn’t want to imply that all of you do that to Hook and you’ve been better to him than most! And you want him to have an actual love story and not to get rid of him which makes me happy.
I liked the IDEA of Hookriel before but other viable theories made me walk away so it wouldn’t be too awkward if it didn’t happen. Similarly I wasn’t on board with the MuFire idea when we hadn’t seen them interact at all and then was blown away last night. To each their own.
I was trying to show a comparable “perceived sunkenness” example (which totally backfired, my apologies), saying I wouldn’t go in there and talk about Eric is the same to me as not coming in here and telling me that SF has to happen because Neal can’t love anyone other than Emma. The CC quote was an interpretation saying it couldn’t happen because his focus is on Emma *right now*… but so is Hook’s. Does that mean that whoever is left out in the cold doesn’t get their own love story? Gosh I hope not! I’d be sad for either one of them! That would be majorly depressing if that was definitive proof that if Emma doesn’t choose Neal he’ll never find love.
The tweet on the other hand was helpful information. I am sure that the INTENT behind it was to tell us not to get our hopes up and that’s wonderful and nice, even if a bit of a bummer. Still, the beauty of a crackship is we can enjoy it regardless even if we wish they hadn’t wasted the potential of it. So thanks slurpeez for trying to spare us a little heartache.
We’ll all agree to disagree regarding our ships because we all believe that these are the ones that have to happen until proven otherwise. The media hype of the triangle has gotten to the point where BOTH sides have TONS of reasons to hold out hope and think they’re absolutely right and it is making me crazy because people are going to be very very hurt by it and feel lied to. We’re just fans. We don’t really know what they’re going to do for sure. It could literally go either way, regardless of how passionately feel it has to go one way. Doesn’t mean anyone has to stop shipping though!
Back to your regularly scheduled & *hopefully* pro-Mulan and Neal environment.
*passes out cookies (and walking sticks to help prop us up)*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
September 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm in reply to: MuFire/DragonFire/WarriorFire Thread (Neal+Mulan) #213182MysteryKat25Participant*sigh* *hands Kat cheese* So, I think this might just need to be a shippy thread. Ship your ship. If you don’t ship it, let’s just let them have their fun and do what shippers do. As someone who is part of one of the larger crack ships, I know how much fun it can be to just have fun (a TV show be fun, I know…it’s unheard of) I too appreciate people uploading the news and keeping people apprised but now it’s out there so let’s just…you know…ship?
Thanks RG! The magical typing mice appreciate it!
Yes shows can be fun! It’s amazing to me that we all keep recruiting new Oncers to our obsession cause anybody on the outside looking in would think we’re all mad with how things have gotten (though we are a little!).
I do appreciate knowing for sure what information we have to go on (even if it can be a little depressing at times). Hope that point got across though in all my frustration earlier. I love my fellow Oncers even if we don’t agree! (And most of my Oncer friends are outside of my ships!).
Let’s just be happy that we have new footage, new stuff to go on, and new ships,crackships,friendships,whateverships to enjoy! We are expanding Adam & Eddy’s fleet and that’s a powerful thing! (We even out-trended Breaking Bad at one point and they were in a series finale! We trended well past midnight on the east coast which is impressive!)
Mulan/Neal:
Mulan knows about the blood magic. There is much more to her story than we’ve seen so far and I hope that at least someday we learn it but she definitely knows stuff that Neal knows. Loved that he swung the walking stick around like Shang though. He probably couldn’t have resisted even if he wasn’t expecting it to show something cause how often do you meet your favorite fairy tale characters and have them not know the sly references you’re making to their awesome movie?
And now, crackship or not, I really want to go watch Mulan to remind myself because I feel like there will be random quote references because Neal has watched the movie and won’t be able to help himself!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
September 30, 2013 at 9:30 pm in reply to: MuFire/DragonFire/WarriorFire Thread (Neal+Mulan) #213166MysteryKat25ParticipantLost my whole post, grr (consider yourselves lucky I guess). I’ll try to recreate the important stuff.
Addressing this ONCE and then moving on. I don’t want this place to get super negative and I want to actually enjoy popping in to see what people say about a ship I like the idea of.
Thanks slurpeez for trying to make sure we didn’t get our hopes up too high. I knew the CC stuff didn’t rule it out (I made a point of checking) but I had forgotten about that tweet. If there’s one thing I can’t stand right now, it’s the media hyping the main triangle and giving BOTH sides WAY TOO MUCH hope.
That said, they talked about where Neal was *right now* – in fact, both guys have their eyes on Emma at this point in time. That means no matter what, somebody will get left out. They didn’t say he could never ever ever move on with someone else, they said that’s where his focus is RIGHT NOW. (In fact, in the recap, they said he HAD moved on and DID love Tamara so it’s not impossible) but I would like to think that we all want them ALL to be happy. I know I do, regardless of who gets left out in the cold. The thought that either of them could only ever has eyes for Emma is just depressing cause that means someone is left alone and miserable, and I don’t want that for either of them.
That tweet was a major buzzkill cause I really enjoying their interaction! I love what they’ve brought out in each other so far and as I said yesterday, can see the basis for a wonderful friendship that has (had?) great potential. Bummer.
One thing I do want to address: NOT ALL CSERS SHIP NEAL TO GET RID OF HIM. Glad I got that off my chest. I don’t bother to analyze Neal with every woman I’ve even slightly crack-shipped him with because up to now, we either haven’t had much to go off of to make it worth it, the timeline doesn’t add up yet, or I just wasn’t that interested.
I took the time to analyze the IDEA of Mulan and Neal because I actually *gasp* enjoyed it.
I get why a lot of people think that CSers automatically jump on anything that will get rid of Neal, but that’s the case. Just like I don’t believe that every single Hookriel shipper is secretly trying to get Hook off the show and out of Emma’s life. Have I been infuriated at the lengths some will go to in order to try to make their crackship canon? Sure I have! It’s why I now avoid threads for things that on paper sounded really great story-wise. Because I can no longer get behind it for the very reason I mentioned last night as the one thing stopping me from full-on shipping for Mulan & Neal (or rather, before that tweet showed up).
Disney canon: We know they have cast the role of Eric and I’ve seen some diehard anti-Hook people want Eric to be gay so that Ariel can be with Hook and they can disappear off the show and make way for SwanFire. Does it make me mad? You betcha. Do I go into that thread anymore where it is a POSITIVE environment for something that they are passionate about? NO. Do I like the idea of a FRIENDSHIP between them if we ever see them interact? Yes. Would I go to the shipper thread to talk about it at this point? No. (I did used to go to Hookriel and I really liked the idea at first but did the same thing as here yesterday: voiced my concerns about the fact we didn’t SEE them together yet and have no way of knowing which spin they’re putting on it but that I was intrigued by the IDEA which as a writer, I am! Pirate + Mermaid has great potential for me story-wise. Now that I know Eric will be around, I just stay away and let them ship their hearts out.
Personally I don’t WANT to be invested in something that can’t happen for reasons that are obvious, whether it’s Disney canon or what they writers have said or whatever it may be. I want to invest my time in something that has POSSIBILITY and HOPE. I realize that many fans think my corner of the fandom is delusional but they haven’t ruled it out yet and have hyped it so why NOT enjoy that? Heck, SQ has been officially dismissed too and that’s one of the biggest fandoms still. I’ll go down with my main ship no matter what cause I already am so invested in it because they gave me reason to be. Going down with 1 ship is MORE than enough. I don’t want to be heartbroken over every ship on the show! This fleet would sink me to the depths of Davey Jones’ Locker and bring me back up to do it again 1000 times over. No thanks!
So this is definitely a ship and let ship issue. I don’t care to ship things that definitely won’t happen cause it’s just too heart-breaking, but I’m sure many others would love to continue shipping this idea just in case. So as far as I’m concerned, especially now that the opening pages come with a big neon warning sign saying: “THIS PROBABLY WON’T HAPPEN CAUSE THEY’VE ALREADY KINDA KILLED IT,” this should be a positive shipping space. So RumplesGirl – perhaps this space can be more shippy and having another thread for friendship appreciation would be more appropriate and make everyone happy.
I probably won’t waste my time on it too much even though I really really loved what I saw unless they give us reason to hope for it, but given how big the Hookriel ship still is even after everything I mentioned, as well as the SQ fandom, I think that those who wish to crackship, even knowing it’s not really an option, should be able to continue doing so in peace.
I really thought when I got back in here I’d be in a safe place going to this thread and seeing just people who enjoyed their interaction so was a little upset when I first got here to realize what it was spiraling into. I’ve avoided 99% of the threads recently to stay OUT of the shipper drama as much as possible and I’m running out of corners! We should ALL be able to ship and let ship, even crackship, without having to hide from our own threads.
Sorry I’m just super touchy cause I’m tired of being told that I only ship things to get rid of Neal and that if I were really paying attention to the show (as if I’m not), I would see that it HAS to end up that way. It’s not up to us, it’s up to them and I do see things differently than most around here apparently but we all have our own filters so that’s bound to happen and that’s ok!
That said, I do appreciate what I believe was the intent of what slurpeez was saying. It’s no fun to get invested and then have your heart broken and I really resent how much the triangle has been hyped and what that has done to our beautiful fandom. This forum was once my home and now I have to tip-toe around it for fear of upsetting people or being jumped on for not paying enough attention to it when I analyze everything, hence sticking to the shipper threads I actually enjoy. This whole situation saddens me but in the long-run it’s better to know now I guess. Doesn’t mean I’ll stop enjoying them or seeing the potential that may or may not be wasted, and I expect the same from ANY shipper of ANY fandom.
Now that I’ve gotten that annoying housekeeping out of the way…back to Mulan and Neal!
What I actually came here to say before I was distracted was about the Disney canon thing. My one obstacle to really really wanting them together after what we saw last night (which has great potential in my opinion) is that if they bring in Shang, I’m done.
However, I did some digging into Mulan the Disney movie vs Mulan the legend. If they go with the legend side, she is more than free to put with whomever and I think they might. In the legend, Mulan is a warrior for 12 years, not just for one big mission. The Mulan we’ve seen is more of a career soldier type but ultimately wanting to get back to that other life, that other “world,” if you will. We saw the start of that last night with her asking Neal about what is was like there.
Even though the actress is very busy and not likely to be on all that much, I’d still like for Mulan to find happiness and love again. Whether that’s introducing Shane into the mix or going a different direction and leaving her open for whomever remains to be seen. I think they’re safe to have her in a relationship as long as they don’t bring in Shane and say something along the lines of “Well if you look at the legend which is what we’re basing her on, there was no Shang” and I could see them doing something like that. If they bring Shang into the show however, it’s kind of a foredrawn conclusion because I don’t see them breaking any Disney canon couples up. They’d lose viewers who have been waiting ages to see their favorite couple.
I will say that the main obstacle I see to the potential in Mulan/Neal IS the fact that she won’t be available to be around much. I can’t see her going to Storybrooke, being involved with Neal/friends with Emma and Snow etc, and then NOT being around when they need her. Just like whoever Regina’s love interest is, they need to be around a lot too which it sounds like Robin Hood might be in the 2nd half of the season. Granted I feel the same way about Red and Archie etc etc (esp Red being Snow’s best friend and a wolf which would come in super handy…) and yet, they’re gone too so who knows. I suppose if they had Mulan in there enough or sent her off on some other quest of something she had to do alone for awhile and then brought her back when she is more available, they could still have room on the shelf for “someday” in any capacity, friend or otherwise.
I was really interested in the fact that she sounded like she WANTED to go to Storybrooke. I’m not sure how she can get there and then NOT be a part of everything so maybe something happens to her or she ends up having to stay behind (again) somehow, but my hope is that someday our main characters get back there and are reunited with her. I feel HORRIBLE that she is always the 3rd wheel to Phillip & Aurora and I want to see her happy again! (She actually smiled! for once).
If Neal is the only one who makes it to Neverland which it looks like he will be since MAP aren’t supposed to be around for too long given other project commitments and not having a HUGE story arc this year, then perhaps something makes it so that ONLY Neal can travel which FORCES Mulan to stay behind. Either that or something else big happens in FTL so that she has to stay for now which would give it time before they had to address who her true love is anyway. We know they’re interested in telling us how Phillip survived and more on Maleficent but it’s not in the cards for THIS SEASON. They might change their minds at some future point in time and have the ability to do so, however unlikely, once they see how things are going. They may have dismissed it but then seen just how well it played and thought you know, maybe there is something here after all. WE JUST DON’T KNOW.
I have high hopes for the MuFire, WarriorFire, NinjaFire, DragonFire, whatevertheheckfire it is to be at the very least good friends and I want both of them to be happy, whenever, however, and whomever that is with. I really love the potential of them though, even if it is kinda pointless to hope for it. I guess in the long run if they ruin my ships, at least one would just be a crackship I’m only mildly invested in and not one that has given me TONS of hope for over a year. Still annoyed though and hoping they’ve changed their minds if that really is the case.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
September 30, 2013 at 5:52 am in reply to: MuFire/DragonFire/WarriorFire Thread (Neal+Mulan) #213029MysteryKat25ParticipantCompletely on board! It was a crackship before that I hadn’t paid much attention to because we haven’t seen them together before now but I actually really enjoyed their interaction tonight! I agree, it paralleled Tallahassee nicely.
I hadn’t even noticed the episode 1 of each season with the leaning over someone when they are woken up thing, but we have seen many sitting on hospital beds at various times as well (which this essentially was).
I too am a diehard CaptainSwan fan but refuse to just ship someone to get them out of the way. I love young Bae and after my rewatch, found that I enjoy Neal too, as a FRIEND to Emma (their shippy stuff still makes me want to scream but the episodes when they weren’t addressing that and were just interacting as friends and co-parents I actually enjoyed him much more). I definitely want him to be happy!
I really really liked the Neal and Mulan scenes tonight and expect them to at least be very good friends but I definitely see potential for it to be more than that.
They paralleled it so nicely with Hook and Emma in Tallahassee, right down to him acknowledging that he’s heard of her (which was fun). Loved the happy looks on their faces in the midst of all the bad stuff that has happened! I agree, we haven’t seen Mulan very happy and she’s definitely the 3rd wheel in that triangle which was obvious from the start (TLK kinda trumps everything else). She is to Phillip & Aurora what Neal is to Emma & Hook (in my opinion, don’t burn me!) and I see them being very good kindred spirits that could lead to more once they deal with their individual issues and pasts (basically the same thing that everybody else needs to do which is why it’s a slow process!).
The fact that they split off from the group and the 2 of them went on and adventure and then had to get past the person guarding the “treasure” of Rumple’s castle while they go in specifically to get a magical object and spend the whole day asking the tough questions and getting to know one another when Neal has barely opened up to anybody else about his real feelings and them talking about love within a short amount of time as meeting ALL parallel CaptainSwan and I loved it! *takes a breath* – got a little over-excited with the parallels.
The ONLY issue I have with shipping this (and frankly, I still want to crackship it at this point because I was that moved by it and actually super excited for him in a relationship since my wishlist for Morraine and then Wendy Darling didn’t pan out, at least not yet), is that there’s the issue of Shang.
It’s the reason I can’t get behind Hookriel anymore, even as a backup if *sniff* necessary for Hook. It’s a nice idea on paper and I hope we’ll see something like that play out elsewhere, either here or somewhere completely different. I do love the IDEA of it but Eric has been cast which means that he and Hook are NOT the same guy. I really really want them to keep Disney canon TL couples as that: canon. I don’t mind them double-dipping on characters though.
There was a gif going around earlier showing Shang flipping a walking stick around much like Neal was with the walking stick tonight and it made me happy, even if it is more of a crackship thing than a Shang-lite one.
However, it doesn’t entirely rule it out until we actually SEE that OUAT has its own Shang. Otherwise he may be the Shang-type character (and I could see that actually). When they were asked about it at Comic Con they deflected and reminded everyone that we had just seen Neal say ILY to Emma so he’ll be dealing with all of that and trying to get back to her. I don’t recall them ever saying anything else about it, much less shooting it down but I may have missed that bit. Even if they did say they weren’t thinking about it at the time, it still set up similarly enough that they left the door open to using it in the future if they want to. Or they could just be trying to keep something secret for once and right now, Neal IS trying to get back to Emma and Mulan knows this but it doesn’t rule it out in the future.
Archie isn’t Roger but he still owns Pongo, so Archie is essentially Roger-lite. So if they decided to pair Mulan and Neal and make Neal essentially Shang-lite, I’d be perfectly fine with that. If Shang pops up though, I’ll have to jump crackship again (which would make me sad cause I really really like these two! I think I’ve spent almost as much time thinking about these two as I have about CaptainSwan today because there were so many parallels in there and I loved them all!)
Glad I’m not alone, even though I’m sure this crackship won’t be overly popular around here! 😛
I genuinely want EVERYONE to be happy and I want to actually ENJOY all of the love stories and so far that has been true and they all make sense. I hope it continues with however they all play out! (But I would be super happy if MuFire/WarriorFire whatever the heck it is called happens, as I already love it even though my OTP of OTPs is of course, CaptainSwan.)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI’ve been having tons of CS & Han/Leia feels all day. Helps that the last thing I watched last night in my rewatch was August telling Emma “you’re our only hope.” FEELS
Obisgirl – it was the EvilFire post that you told people they needed to read. 🙂 (aka: CaptainSwan4Life). I musta blinked about 10 times before it sank in I wasn’t imagining it! Kinda figured my rewatch posts were long and would put people off but I’ve gotten a lot of positive stuff and new followers lately so I guess I’m doing something right while trying to avoid the bad stuff! *Happily swims in own little bubble alongside the other CS bubbles floating around*
Sweetgrass – Welcome to the board! Always happy to welcome fans of Hook (and of course Hook & Emma!). Totally understand wanting to stay away from spoilers (I haven’t mastered that yet!). It can be a little overwhelmingly pro-SF around here but there are a few of us! From what I’ve heard and the way they’ve been trying to hype in a way that makes everyone happy (
which drives me crazy cause then people will feel led on if they don’t get what they want), in a non-spoilery way, I think we have lots of good stuff to look forward to in Season 3! (How can we not when he came back for her at the end of S2 and offered his ship and his services, even allowing Rumple on board his ship? That’s huge!)Can’t wait for the season to start so we have new material to work with. I expect lots of gifsets and new vids throughout the season! Sadly I only contribute with my ideas for such things and writing ridiculously long posts about it all but can’t wait to have more to analyze!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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