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Well I had a nice long response last night before the computer decided to eat it and now there’s lots more to devour! I will try to make this brief because I can’t imagine doing the quoting thing at this point for the exact reasons KFChimera just mentioned! So forgive me if this is all a little scattered, hopefully I’ve managed to remember enough of what I wanted to address (I. Am. Fried.)
Edited to add: YAY the forums are working again AND it didn’t eat this post cause I was seriously about to just throw in the towel and cry.First off thank you EVERYONE for having such a nice in-depth discussion on SF (and for reading all of our ridiculously long posts and taking the time to comment!). I will agree that there are many many issues in everyone’s heads and that they all have a lot to work out but are probably interpreting everything differently (ie what someone said about Emma feeling like the victim and saying that Neal doesn’t get to be upset etc etc). They’ve both been through a lot and feel everything differently.
As I’ve tried to say before, I do think they have a chance and that’s what makes the triangle so rich because I really do believe that Emma will be close to Hook by the time they’re reunited and is already well on her way to forming a connection with him and was even before Neal came back which didn’t diminish because he was around and wasn’t affected by him being “dead”. Anything romantic is doubtful for whomever right now because she’s focused on saving Henry, but she wanted to open up to him before and certainly let him in faster than we’ve seen with anybody else post-Neal. They get each other and I like the idea (I believe it was Phee that said it? Maybe? That *eventually* Emma, Hook, and Neal will all be friends).
I at least envision them all getting along as much as everyone else does for Henry’s sake, but I think in this instance Emma will be the glue as much as he is. There are sure to be confusing feelings all over the place because of the history with Hook and Bae that needs to be sorted out just as much as any option for romance. I don’t expect Neal to have a good reaction to it at all because he blames Hook for his family falling apart.
Given his strong reaction to Rumple though I wonder what’s going through his head *now* as he was upset with Hook for wanting to kill him and then a couple hundred years later is running from him. I’m not sure how much of anything affected him and in what ways. He was told so often as a child that Milah was dead that he didn’t have much time to register what Hook was saying and I don’t think he wanted to believe it either because he loved his dad. In between then and now he’s been hiding from Rumple (until very recently) so things may have weighed on his head over time, especially if you add in what Hook told him to his nightmares of his dad letting go.
At this very moment I don’t see how either guy could easily be just friends with Emma to be honest. Neal made a go of it when he was with Tamara for Henry’s sake (and they got along great which gives me hope they can have a relationship of *any* kind down the line because HENRY was their focus) but the feelings were obviously still there (though the fact that they were still there and they were able to get past it enough for Henry is encouraging should he end up on the outside – though I do hope if he does he finds love as well and I think whoever is left will and they will be better suited for that person. As I said earlier, sure Rumple & Milah breaking had a massive affect on things, but they were not suited for each other at all. Rumple found his true love in Belle so I have hope for whoever gets left behind.)
On the flip side Hook & Emma have this connection and when she’s in a room she is literally all he looks at. If you go back and watch the finale he barely talks to anyone else and is constantly drawn to her. When he came back, he offered HER everything and then dealt with everyone. When a group saw the ship coming back, they focused on HER reaction.
Whether they can be friends down the line I just don’t know. I’m sure he’ll be just as confused as anyone when Neal returns even though he’s been drawn to Emma from the start (he seriously lights up when she’s around and it’s like nobody else even exists) and now he’s learning that her heart was broken by Bae and he’s helping to rescue their son, but he’s also got the experience of believing the one you once loved to be dead and if he’s honest with himself, would probably jump at the chance to see her again (though he is in the process of moving forward from that by doing the right thing and setting aside his revenge to help Emma get her son back – he’s making signficant progress which gives me hope for him finding love again someday, regardless of who that is with). So he knows what Emma is going through and when Neal is back in the picture he’ll want her to figure out what she wants AND not want to hurt Bae more. (Sadly one of them will have to be hurt, regardless of which one gets what they want and I want their relationship to be repaired as I adored their scenes together).
I don’t buy the argument that he’ll just jump out of the way and start shipping SF though (I’ve seen that along with a “haha CS is dead” thing – so appreciative that this thread has NOT treated me like that even though I disagree! I love rational Oncers who allow different opinions!). He’ll be just as torn as everyone else, but I also can’t picture him just watching the happy family and not being jealous, especially if he & Emma do open up to each other more. *So far* I haven’t seen anyone else on the show that gets his attention the way Emma does and if he ends up with someone else we’ve seen already, at this point in time it would feel like they were a 2nd choice and that’s not fair. So if he does have to go find someone else, I hope it’s a new someone because I don’t buy that he’d go for Regina – they’d be toxic and he has had no regard for her safety whatsoever.
Conversely, we haven’t gotten to see much of Neal & Regina but I’ve felt since Tallahassee that they seem like they would be more kindred spirits and want similar things. I think Regina needs a guy who is fairly new around here as well simply because she’s burned too many bridges with everyone else. Neal reminds me of Daniel and I think Regina needs someone more like Neal than someone like Hook. HQ would just drag each other into a downward spiral and I have hope for both characters to turn their lives around. So either someone new for her too or Neal for her because I just can’t fathom HQ ever being anything but toxic. I want to root for all of them to find happiness and I don’t now, nor ever will ship something just to get rid of someone to pave the way for what I want. I also really really want both guys to find love and they obviously can’t both find Emma so I am thinking ahead and trying to find things that actually make sense but need more interaction first to form any real attachment to any of it.
Neal has shown that he can love Emma but still pay attention to someone else. Neal’s major focus is just like the rest of them: they want a family. I loved loved loved MRJ’s interview not too long ago because while he was open to the possibility that SF do have a chance (and they definitely do) he still left it open saying he didn’t want to paint the writers into a corner and more importantly, that Neal wants family. He just wants to belong somewhere. Which is what everyone else has been searching for. Neal, Regina, Emma, & Hook have all been abandoned and just want family again. It’s what ties them all together, though certain combinations understand each other / are more open to understanding each other more than others and some take longer (ie: Emma & Regina understand wanting family & loving Henry, but they’re not gonna be best friends anytime soon – likewise Hook & Bae have similar backgrounds from way back but have major issues and may not be open to being friends for a time, especially if Neal still holds Hook responsible for Milah & Rumple’s actions).
I really hate Milah – kinda glad I don’t have to root for her with Hook because I hated what she did to Rumple and Bae. All 3 guys deserve happiness but they were all hurt by her and I didn’t see anything all that special about her to warrant that. I don’t blame her for not being happy because clearly the relationship wasn’t “right” but she handled everything very very poorly. I will agree though that I’m not sure how much of what she did in abandoning him is affecting Neal as he does seem more affected by Rumple letting go of him. He blames Hook for tearing apart his family but Rumple let her go (I think all she wanted was someone to fight for her – Hook was obviously willing to do so, even so far as letting Rumple believe she was dead so he’d kill him instead) and Rumple was a coward and couldn’t do it (in her eyes). In reality he shouldn’t have tried to fight Hook, it would have left his son all alone and he would have died which is exactly why he injured himself in the first place! Also we’d have no story – but that being said, I still hate Milah but now that I’m thinking about it, Rumple’s abandonment of Neal did have a far greater afffect than Milah running off with a pirate. However, I believe those issues will come to the surface when Neal sees Hook again, especially if Emma tells him to play nice because even if she’s NOT choosing to be with Hook, she’s still choosing to defend him and let him be a part of her / their lives and that will probably feel like a slap in the face to Neal. It will be compounded by the fact that Emma may still be upset with and not forgive him for various things right away, but is defending a man that he has major issues with. Even as just friends all of that would hurt & cause all kinds of drama. Can’t imagine what he will do if she actually chooses Hook over him.
As much as I want CS, I don’t want Bae to go off the deep end and be hurt yet again – though I don’t think that’s a reason necessarily to root for SF, just so that he won’t be hurt – it certainly wasn’t a reason to root for Rumple/Cora, I think we can all safely agree on that! So glad Belle was there eventually even if it took Rumple ages to find her because his first two “loves” were dreadful. I don’t think Milah went into it intentionally to hurt Rumple and that she did genuinely love Hook (she would have gotten away cleanly if she let Hook die for her and she didn’t). So as much as I hate her, it’s more a personality thing and not what she’s actually done. If Emma does do the same thing and chooses to be with Hook, she won’t be leaving her son behind (nor would he want her to), and she won’t be running away from a marriage as she was never married to and isn’t currently in a relationship with Neal. I can see him comparing her to that should it ever happen though, much like Henry’s first instinct was to say that Emma was just as bad as Regina after 1 lie – yes it was a big lie but it wasn’t trying to kill people and was a jump – just like saying Emma is like Milah would be a jump but has basic similarities if she chooses Hook. No way is she ever leaving Henry though and now we’ve seen that Hook likes children and wants to be a part of a family. (Honestly there was never any doubt in my mind after Tallahassee because of how he spoke of the lost boys but I know for some it took a long time to get to that point and they were pleasantly surprised with how cute the Hook teaching Bae to drive the ship scene was). So hopefully even if he’s just hovering in Emma’s circle we’ll at least get to see him become friends with Henry and I think Henry would like being friends with a pirate.
I honestly expected Bae to have gone from being the sweet little boy to have turned very very dark after what he went through and was pleasantly surprised that the only thing he’s really done is whine about various things over time (I love Henry but now we see where he gets it from). With how Emma spoke about him all of season 1 I really expected him to be a nasty character that had a lot more issues or had done something truly awful with no good reason behind it. I think his main issue, honestly, is that he was stuck as a 14 year old for too long. He acts very childish sometimes but then has moments where he’s awesome too. We saw a start of him fighting for her when he went to confront Rumple at the apartment and that gives me hope. I would hate to see him flip out and spiral and become like Rumple though if he doesn’t get his way and it’s the last straw (poor thing has been through a lot). I think it would make for an interesting story to see him battling with that side of himself and to see just who it is that is able to help him remain the good guy that he is deep down. (His Belle, as it were, to parallel his father but without going quite so far down a rotten path).
On the flip side, so far, Hook is all about Emma. Stupid innuendos aside, the only person he drops his facade for and has real conversations with is her. She’s all he sees in a crowded room and they get one another. Whether she chooses him or not isn’t the issue, I’m merely pointing out that right now, if Hook is interested in anyone, it’s her and I don’t see him that way with anyone else on the show that we’ve seen so far. It’s not impossible and since I love him so much I want him to have an epic romance with whoever. But contrary to some things I’ve seen/read, he really does treat Emma differently. The fact that he wasn’t making innuendos and flirting with everyone in the finale gave me hope that people would finally see that he is real when he’s with Emma. In fact I’d say that Hook is the facade with the innuendos and acting like he doesn’t have a care in the world, but that when he is around Emma he is himself again: he is Killian Jones and his heart is on his sleeve for her, just as he can read her like an open book.
In fact in that diner scene, I think HE had all kinds of emotions going on in his head just like every time that Neal had to make a tough choice. Not only was he battling trying to leave and save his own skin vs help everyone (who have betrayed him time and time again), but he was just learning that the reason Emma betrayed him on the beanstalk was because she was hurt and the person she was hurt by was Bae. On top of all of that, he’s also got his past with Bae and finding out that he’s dead. Not to mention he probably did feel a little guilty for being so drawn to Emma knowing that Bae already holds him responsible for his family being broken up. EVERY character on this show is shades of grey and has a LOT of issues. They all have a million things running through their head at any given time and react to each situation differently than everyone else does. ALL of these things were weighing on his mind and he looked like he’d been punched in the gut when Emma said that and left.
Also, he had already handed over the empty pouch and was just left to just stare into space after she walked out. She wouldn’t tell anybody details about who Henry’s dad was and never made any effort to let anybody in but he asked and she answered without hesitating when it’s technically none of his business. She never had to tell him why she was so bent on taking the hard road when she was on his side right before Snow started saying they should. He recognized there was more to it, just like she recognized that his tattoo meant something (and his entire demeanor changed when that happened too). If anybody else, especially anyone who had previously betrayed them had handed that pouch over, Emma would have checked it to be sure. When it’s something THAT important, she would have checked but she TRUSTED him. She was gutted when she opened it and it was empty. She questioned it when he came back and his explanation was directed at her. As I said previously the bean is their symbol (whether it’s friendship or more) and he handed that back to her. She didn’t have to hand it to him to throw into the water. She could have thought “Neverland” to herself and tossed it. She showed him she was trusting him with the most important thing in her life, just as he was trusting her by handing it back to begin with. Love it or hate it they do have something and it clearly affects her / gets to her just as much as her jealousy was coming out with the Neal/Tamara situation. They made a point of showing us her face when Hook came back. He’s given her hope and that’s something she hasn’t had a lot of in a long time.
Again, not arguing CS as a couple because they aren’t “legitimate” yet, just in relation to the idea of them being friends and the many many issues this triangle as a whole faces because of the different combinations of relationships and their histories, be it friendly or romantic. I completely agree with what AngieBelle said here:
I think what it comes down to is that every single character on this show is flawed. Everyone has made poor choices at one time or another. They are human! (Or at least human for storybook characters- ha ha.) Every relationship on the show has faced problems, and every established relationship is valid.
Not saying I think that Neal would get over it better if forced to be just friends with Emma, I’m just saying that from what we’ve seen, he’s proven it can work and they can be civil and get along for Henry’s sake, regardless of one of them being with someone else. I’m not sure where Hook would fit in because you don’t just wake up and stop being attracted to someone you have a deep connection with (another reason that if SF happens, Emma will have to deal with her connection to Hook because Neal won’t like it but I don’t see her backing down on it, even if it’s as just friends).
I’m definitely expecting a confrontation between Neal & Hook regardless, and I hope it doesn’t start out as a “you destroyed my family once I won’t let you take Emma” kind of thing because in this case Neal is in the wrong. Tamara tried to kill everyone and took Henry and Hook is doing everything he can, including getting along with his worst enemy, to save him. Emma has every right to defend that and I fully expect her to. Perhaps it will end up a good starting point for the CaptainFire bromance to rekindle. I loved the scenes of Hook with young Bae and I want them to get along I really do – I just hope that doesn’t only hinge on Hook letting Neal have Emma. I would hate to see that as one of the things I love about Hook IS his quote of “A man unwilling to fight for what he wants deserves what he gets” and that would greatly undermine that for me, especially if there’s a lot of build up for him obviously caring for Emma.
I know some of it is subjective and not as obvious to people yet, especially if they believe in SF 100% (and I get it, I do), but CS people have just as much reason to believe that he IS different with Emma. I don’t buy that he only came back because of Bae because yes, he looked at the markings on the helm but he was also turning the bean over and over in his hand. Now – to some it’s just a bean and he’s just debating what to do with it. I get that argument.
However, the bean has always been the symbol of the CS relationship (whatever it is, romantic, friendship, literally whatever, that has been their symbol). He told her the one that was dried up reminded him of her because it was once full of hope and is now all shriveled and he was done with her (he was hurt, forced to work with Cora again, and Emma had betrayed him – he was lying in that moment just as much as anytime Emma pretended to be over Neal). What did he do with that shriveled up bean? He brought it back to life and used it to get to SB.
Now he’s been offered a chance by Emma to be a part of something. He listened intently to what she said, he asked her why she was really doing stuff. That was all in his head as he was contemplating everything. He once made an offer similar to that one when he offered Bae a chance to be family. He knows what it’s like to have that offer turned down and how sincere it was. He & Emma understand each other and he reads her like an open book (and has from day 1). It was BOTH Emma & Bae that he came back for (and Colin said as much on twitter as well).
It was the combination of the bean AND the scratch marks that made him turn around. He didn’t say like Rumple did that he was going after Henry to honor Bae. He just turned around. When he showed up Emma said she thought he didn’t care about anybody but himself and he, looking ONLY at her and handing HER the bean said “Maybe I just needed reminding I could” – it was the combination of Emma & Bae, not just for Bae. He could honor him sure but Bae is dead – Hook gets very little from turning around to help a bunch of people that hate him to make a dead guy happy. EMMA is the one who has reached an arm out to him and offered him a chance to be a part of something.
For every list of reasons (actual rational reasons) I see for one pairing and start buying into it, I see a list equally as compelling for the other. It will be one heck of a triangle BECAUSE there are so many variables. I completely understand why people on both sides see what they see and think what they think and the more I look at it, the more I’m convinced that we all have good reason to hope and it’s infuriating because it means that somebody will get massively hurt by it. This triangle is not cut & dried, and it won’t be easy for anyone. They’ve set up so much for CS that it would be painful to see SF happen and Hook get hurt and have it all be for nothing, but at the same time SF have been through so much and I don’t want to see Bae get hurt again either. It’s just that good.
As for the Tamara situation, I do agree that Neal was more hurt by the fact that it was all a lie rather than being so in love with her that it hurt him. It’s a situation where once again, he tried to be a part of something and it backfired on him. Does it take a weight off his shoulders for wanting to be with Emma? Absolutely. I just felt like he was still hurt by the situation as a whole that Emma was around to see that. It’s one thing to hear about it afterwards and it’s hard enough then because you don’t want to picture him with someone else or being hurt by it (in any way) and the coming back, but to see it play out changes the dynamics of it.
On one hand I think she’ll let it go because she always believed in them and was proven right because he finally admitted it. On the other hand she’s watched him interact with this woman that she never trusted (and not only because she was jealous) and she’s seen him essentially throw fits defending how much he needed Tamara. So it’s not necessarily going to be the fact that he moved on with someone else but still had feelings for Emma and it will be easily swept aside because she wants to believe it, but more that she will be battling with herself because of what she has seen and heard too. She did call him out on not believing in her lying ability and now I think her instincts are in check because she has confirmation that they were right (and they usually are). It’ll just *hurt* her more because he chose not to believe in her as much overall, and on top of that she was forced to watch as he brought Tamara to SB, and to watch as he defended her time and time again, and to watch him be broken up with and told it was all a lie and be hurt by that (even if it is just the situation).
I do completely agree that Tamara is crafty and knew what she needed to do and was playing him the whole time and did a darn good job of it. No question in my mind about that. He was easily played BECAUSE he was vulnerable. Emma may get that part of it. Doesn’t change the fact that she had to watch it play out from the moment Tamara came to SB. She freaked out that he was bringing her there (partly because she was jealous and hurt but partly to protect SB from outsiders) and he had a FIT because he said he needed her. That’s not something Emma can just forget. He wasn’t worried about protecting the town, he was focused on bonding with Henry and wanted to stay for his son (admirable) and that would have been a great time to end things with Tamara because he just found out about his son and wasn’t committed to staying in NY etc etc, but he chose to bring her to him and TOLD EMMA that he needed her here. He knew that that would mean having a relationship with Tamara IN FRONT OF EMMA and he chose that. Against his deepest wishes sure, but he still chose it and she had to watch their relationship unfold, all the while being untrusted.
Emma does have a lot of perspective on stuff so once she calms down & has time to actually react to anything emotional (and isn’t off on a mission somewhere) I fully expect her to come to terms with what Neal has done, just like she did with Snowing. There are still massive wounds there, but as I mentioned above, she & Neal have been able to get along civilly for Henry’s sake and I expect that to continue regardless. She may very well be able to forgive Neal because she has similar life experiences. Whether that means she’s willing to ignore all of that or doesn’t let herself fall for anyone else remains to be seen. She forgave Snowing but they’re her parents and while it hurt, she’s still managed to have a good relationship with them. Likewise Henry forgave her (again, likely because they were both abandoned & wanted their parents in their lives so badly and were able to get past these issues because of it). Emma has spent a good portion of her life hurt by Neal though and I’m not willing to say anything 100% as to whether forgiving = starting over in a romantic way. It might, it might not.
Emma’s story is definitely in the middle and I agree, you can’t stop the story there and assume we’ll know how it ends. That’s why as much as triangles have been annoying, especially on this show, they’ve also been rather predictable so far because we had seen TLK work so we knew which couples had to end up together and who would get left behind. Emma’s story is very much still in the middle and we haven’t seen any proof yet.
Neither has been under a sleeping curse, we don’t know if Henry is the product of TL because we don’t know why specifically he was the kid in the drawing or what his connection to PP is, we haven’t seen somebody try to take his heart (and I would really rather they didn’t, poor kid has been through enough) etc. We just don’t yet know FOR CERTAIN one way or the other.
Somebody pointed out yesterday that Charming always just “knows” that Snow is alright. He never doubts for a second and repeatedly said that Snow was alive because he could feel it. He’d know. We haven’t seen that from Emma yet. She seems to really truly think Neal is dead. That could be her rationalizing his wounds and just assuming and giving up hope, but we saw from Charming when he should have been very very worried, that he just knew without a doubt because he could “feel it” and haven’t had anything of the sort from Emma yet. Her view on stuff is skewed by her real world experiences vs living in FTL and I freely admit that, I’m just saying we haven’t *definitively* seen anything to suggest that they officially are TL but rather that they still have feelings for each other as they never had a chance to get closure before and the circumstances leading to them being apart had nothing to do with how they felt.
I’m cautiously optimistic about any pairing for Emma simply because we don’t know yet for sure. I think I quoted Kitsis earlier but in case I didn’t (because goodness only knows at this point):
“In all life, there are the people that are right for you and there are the people that are wrong for you, and then there are the people that you just choose. Emma is going to face all those things. We’ll see what happens.”
Regardless of what we think Emma may or may not do, it is ultimately up to her. She may forgive the things we want her to forgive and still choose differently. Likewise some feel like she should move on because she’s not the same person and has an awesome thing going with Hook that can keep building and she could still choose to say “you know what, I know Neal’s hurt me but I choose him” so we just don’t know. I think that every character on the show can pick who they want for her (and some have) and argue it til they’re blue in the face but it will ultimately not be about what anybody says or thinks but what she wants to do which is just as it should be. Her life has been manipulated and controlled enough and sometimes the heart wants what the heart wants, without rhyme or reason.
I’m on board with saying she’s gotten *some* closure on sections of her past with Neal but still cares about him and a part of her always will regardless because he was her first love and Henry’s father. I’m just not completely comfortable calling endgame this early. I see both sides and yes it would be an epic story to have them overcome all of these obstacles like every other couple has. I just see the same potential in CS.
I *think* I’ve addressed all the comments I wanted to and hopefully in a way that everyone understands where I’m coming from. I’ve loved getting more insight from all of you & understand completely that there are a LOT of emotions and thoughts behind everything everyone does. I’ve mostly looked at it from Emma’s perspective recently & I think that’s where a lot of my anger with him comes from but I freely admit that for her (and me) that that may subside with time and more info – just as I hope people start seeing more in Hook given the same. Some of us have believed in one side or the other since Tallahassee with the other side seeing absolutely nothing so it’s refreshing to see rational people who are willing to look so deeply at everything. It’s always nice to have a (friendly) reminder that there are good & compelling stories on both sides and that it will ultimately be up to Emma to decide what she wants.
I hope I go back to being torn just as much as I think Emma will be watching it all again if it ever hits Netflix (hiatus is bad enough, hurry up!). I certainly don’t see this triangle as cut & dried as some (and believe me I wish I did – being a Oncer who isn’t attacked would be far more fun / less stressful! Though being 100% anything would be heartbreaking too if it doesn’t work so I’ll happily settle for middle-ground with an edge to one side for now). As AngieBelle said, all of these characters that we love are flawed and have a lot to get past.
Can’t wait to see how it all unfolds and at least we can all agree that we want Emma to be happy, no matter what she chooses. I really hope that they can all get along in the end as I really love the relationship/friendship possibilities in this triangle specifically and it should have a lot of good drama and hopefully an epic love story thrown in the mix (I really can’t see her choosing someone who isn’t one of the two).
Post-Forum-Breakdown: At this point I’m pretty much fried. I hope that I haven’t upset anyone and I genuinely am open to it if done right and I think it’s just too early to call. Ship and let ship. Thanks everyone for your kindness & patience (some of you have WAY more than I do!) and reading all of these ridiculously long posts! I know this thread started out in a very different place & sorry for derailing it so much!! I completely believe that SF is a legit relationship that has been shown on the show and certainly am not arguing that. There are so many “couples” but not many “supercouples” in OUAT and I think this list certainly shows the best of the best from what we’ve seen and I think that was essentially the initial intention. I’m just a very cautious person and afraid to buy into anything officially *just yet.*
If it does happen I applaud everyone who was on board and saw it from the beginning and got to enjoy it the whole way (and didn’t have to put up with half the stuff I have!). I hate seeing people take pleasure at other fans’ heartache so the fact that we can agree to disagree and have civil discussions makes me very very happy indeed, even if I end up being the one hurt (or my magical mice keel over from trying to write entirely too much and probably going around in circles).
Can’t wait til we get actual stuff to work with and can put some of these past issues with any and all characters to rest. If they weren’t capable of forgiving anything ever, we wouldn’t have any love stories on the show so there is always a possibility and (almost) nothing has been ruled out for anybody (/most) yet. 🙂
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MysteryKat25ParticipantYeah those all look like S1 stuff. I expect first up in July will be photo shoots and then jump back into filming. When did the promo shots come out last year? (Those were amazing & I can’t wait to see what they do with Hook!)
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI think this is all part of the MonteCarlo stuff because Darby is on an ABC show as well (Scandal) and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen them all in pics from various things at the festival. I can’t remember where it was but Lana & the guy who plays Huck on Scandal were in pictures together not too long ago somewhere. I think various people from the shows travel to promote it and end up hanging out together.
I think David Anders & Raphael Sbarge are on / were on / will be on Necessary Roughness (as I don’t watch the show, I’m not entirely sure).
As for Colin doing a silly dance move (if you can even call it that lol) and still looking utterly adorable? The man is wonderful! And married, must remember that part, very important detail. Love that he at least wears his ring though to remind us (some don’t and it bugs me but I get why, as actors, they may choose not to, especially if their character isn’t married – remember when RC left his ring on and Rumple fans freaked out? Not to mention the risk of tan lines where the ring was, but it’s always refreshing to see a man wear his ring. Hey, they expect it of us right?) Plus let’s face it, it makes them look even sexier – we just wish it meant they were with us is all!
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MysteryKat25Participant@Phee wrote:
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
I agree with all of these and would like to add: FrankenWolf!
Yes, I was gonna add FrankenWolf! Sort of a bummer to know that they were apparently gonna elaborate on that before their overall plans changed and Red got downgraded. In The Name Of The Brother finally aired here last night, and I had it on in the background, half watching, but I had to watch the FrankenWolf stuff properly…and lament what could have been. *sigh*
Hopefully they find a way to slip something in once in awhile. I really loved their scenes in that episode and wanted more from them!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantThe red head is Darby Stanchfield (she plays Abby Whelen on Scandal and has been tweeting some pics of her with Colin). Not sure who the one guy is but the other is Colin’s brother Allen (and it appears he is wearing a wedding ring as well).
Love seeing them all get along (even if it is mind-boggling to watch the shows crossover in a weird way) but that video never fails to crack me up!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantHaha! Actually I was thinking about this earlier. Since time works differently in NL, they may think they’ve been gone for agesss and it’s actually been like…a week, if that. So perhaps there is a future baby boom down the line but I don’t think things will have changed all that much in SB while they’re gone…unless King George comes out from wherever he’s been hiding and leads a revolution to take over the town or something. I don’t think it will be a baby boom though (but I love the thought! Poor Snow would be missing it all over again though!)
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI agree with all of these and would like to add: FrankenWolf!
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MysteryKat25Participant@obisgirl wrote:
I would like to make a CS fanfic recommendation. I know, I have lots of cs fanfic master lists but seriously, you all need to read Straight to Youon fanfiction.net.
It is a heart-breaking, sad, story with a beautiful happy ending. I don’t want to spoil it but it is an amazing journey from beginning to end. There’s not one chapter I disliked. Everything is seriously perfect.
You’ll probably need a box full of kleenex by your side while you read 😥 😥 but it is seriously, 😥 😥 just read it.
By all means suggest away! I need to start making a list cause I keep hearing about various good ones and haven’t had time to read them (much less write a couple of ficlets I was considering!)
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MysteryKat25Participant@Jasminegirl84 wrote:
*shrugs* The world is a cruel, cruel place. The university I went to was full of cute gay guys. We had way more girls than guys to begin with, and the guys are unavailable. So, I am used to having slim pickings. 😕 😥
Sounds like your luck is about as good as mine. Guess we’ll just have to keep living vicariously through people like Emma for now.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantNothing really new in here except that we potentially have somebody else in our corner! The only statement we can actually hold on to from it is the H&K one from the other day but it’s a fun read nonetheless. He likes our shipper name too!
http://cartermatt.com/67080/once-upon-a-time-season-3-spoilers-should-hook-emma-fans-rejoice/
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