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MysteryKat25Participant
@RumplesGirl wrote:
We’ve talked in a few places about if Rumple will be full on DO in NL. From a practical standpoint, I wonder if it’s asking a bit much for RC to be in that makeup every single episode. His wake up call is like 4am or something ridiculous.
But I would like to know what conditions must be met in order for him to be full on DO. Is it only in FTL?
Very good question. I would assume definitely FTL and then anything else is up for debate.
Part of the thinking that led me down this road originally was wondering how magic would work differently in NL since it seems to work differently everywhere else. When everyone got on the ship they didn’t know where they were headed or what that might mean and all had a reason to be there and see it through no matter what but it made me wonder whether their magic would work in NL or not.
Rumple, Regina, and Emma should all have magic but I was trying to figure out what might happen if they don’t for some reason. I’d guess they still would (and it might be a good chance to get some training in for Emma depending on what they have to face) but it did make me question what would happen, especially regarding Rumple & DO-status.
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MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
I wonder if it is going to take more than TLK for the Dark One’s curse to be fully broken. It got started in Skin Deep, but obviously came back. I think with Rumple it has to be a combo of self sacrifice and TLK. So if he gives up his power to save Henry from PP that’s part one, but what if it nearly kills him? Then, like in B and the B, Belle’s true love saves him from death.
I could see that happening (& I like the paralleling with the story we all know and love). The only thing I question with their first kiss is that it did start to undo it and I think had he not stopped their kiss it would have worked. I think the big sacrifice part of it will be that he has to finally let go of his desire to hold on to the magic because until he really lets her in and kiss him as full-on DO, it won’t be undone.
I’m not sure how to balance the two unless they’re in some place where he is the DO and then he almost dies and Belle kisses him and by undoing the DO curse she also saves him? I could see it as a background reason e didn’t want her going with him though, as he has knowledge of NL – we’ll see if he does become the DO once he enters NL (and what a shock that would be to Emma!)
My head is spinning again….
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MysteryKat25ParticipantWell because it related to Regina & Emma, they’re saying that it’s racist and Latina women are only used and tossed aside, and misogynistic because he’s treating women like that etc. (There are only 3 single people on the boat guys and he was lead to being asked about them…sheesh!) Some have even been adding to that list, calling Hook a rapist (throwing pirate assumptions onto a character who has never been shown in that light is idiotic – he taunted Rumple sure but he loved Milah and she went to him willingly which is really all we have to go on).
I’m sure I’ve forgotten something but those were the big 3. Seemed like a mob with their pitchforks was forming and people were saying they wanted Hook as far away from the women on the show as possible because he’s disgusting and when anybody tried to defend Colin’s comments they said it was the actor who was disgusting and wanted him gone. Ugh!
There was one Latina who defended it and said it wasn’t racist…until she decided she lost respect for the actor and said it was a misogynistic thing instead. *sigh* He was asked about both, he knows nothing, he still implied that Hook is more inclined to go after Emma but admits he just doesn’t know. Poor thing can’t catch a break!
People are SERIOUSLY twisting it out of control if they think that that statement meant any of those things. He agreed that what was suggested to him is a possibility and then said who knows. If Lana had said that about Regina people would be cheering. It’s disgusting how far off the rails people have gone.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI was thinking about how magic works differently in every realm but that Rumple has seemingly been to NL before. What if part of the reason he left Belle behind (along with wanting her safe) is that once they enter NL he’ll go full on Dark One again? If/when he does, a TLK from Belle would undo that curse and I don’t think he’s ready for that yet, especially if he thinks he’ll need his DO magic to get Henry back. I don’t think he really wants to explain to Belle yet how he’s not ready for it and even once they have Henry back, Belle may want to celebrate and kiss him and/or think ok: now I can undo your curse and if he’s not ready for it to be undone yet even once Henry is safe (we know he has issues letting magic go) then why give her the option?
It is likely that it will return to Mr. Gold form upon returning to SB so it wouldn’t be an issue. He doesn’t seem to think they’ll come back from NL which is the only sticking point here cause otherwise why not take her with him at least and leave Granny, Ruby, Archie, Anton, and the dwarves to take care of everybody else, but it’s something that popped into my heading regarding RumBelle for S3.
I look forward to seeing her get back to her fighting self as I enjoyed those episodes and want to see her become a strong character on her own and one that shows she can keep up with Rumple and not just have to hang on his arm. She’s tough in her own right and would have been fine in NL but she’s staying behind for a reason so I hope it’s a good one!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantIt’s getting to where I can’t read much anywhere because people insist on turning anything into a shipper war. I was living enough not being able to comment about whether we saw something on the show and having it turned into something else! The actors are kind people who are helping give us this amazing show and as much as I love interacting with other fans, it’s getting to a point where it’s hard to enjoy the show because people insist on destroying it left and right.
I saw a great post on tumblr (which of course I can’t find now, gr) about how people complain about absolutely everything on the show good or bad and how hypocritical it all is and that people need to chill. Could not agree more.
I know the first few episodes of the season were a bit of a downer for me because people were intent on telling me how awful everything would be until whatever episode they were actually looking forward to. With all the Hook hate going around (and it’s been around and back again *head-desks* I may have to go into a bubble to enjoy him next season as he is pretty much guaranteed to be getting a lot of screentime and I refuse to lose enjoyment of it while listening to everybody hate him. >.<
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MysteryKat25ParticipantThat stupid article caused so many problems! People are bashing Colin and Adam for it because it was taken WAY out of context and the writer even felt the need to say what questions he used leading Colin to agree that it could happen cause he doesn’t know anything. (Wish we could have seen him say it though. His poker face regarding CS is not very convincing!) Love that he added the “waiting for Emma” part though – I think he realizes that Hook is FAR more likely to go after a certain Swan girl and some of it could be based on how he was directed in the finale with all those intense stares etc. He knows something CS is up, even without knowing specifics. Technically since they insisted on leading the question with “given that Emma is licking her wounds over losing Neal” how else could he have answered that question? Poor Colin. Can't catch a break from rabid fans on hiatus. 🙁
Nice to see he’s doing appearances! Hope he gets a lot of nice questions from actual FANS. I’m so sick of seeing his most recent comment twisted 100 ways to Sunday, I want to throw dictionaries at people. If Adam has to address all of this and make a big deal out of it (and goodness knows he’s had to do that sometimes with stuff on the show…) I can only imagine how that will go. I mean really, how is that comment any of those awful things??
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MysteryKat25ParticipantCan we consider Rumple leaving Belle behind a plot hole since to most of us it didn’t make much sense as to why he would do that when he could have left that info with others? Cause I have a theory! If not, where should I drag it to, RG? (I’m horrible with guessing where to put stuff!)
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI agree I think Hook deeply regretted it and will go after him at some point. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of the NL interaction of these two by a long shot.
One thing to keep in mind: Hook had the safety of his entire ship in question every second he protected Bae but would have fought to the bitter end to do so. Bae was insistent on leaving regardless and handing him over, as much as he didn’t want to, was the best move for everyone he was responsible for on his ship at the time because the Lost Ones would continue to come after them. If Bae just disappeared they’d probably still think that Hook was hiding him somewhere on board.
Even at the last second, if Bae had changed his mind there is no doubt in my mind that Hook would have fought for him. Bae chose to leave and while I hate that he ended up with the Lost Ones because of that choice, it was still in the best interest of the crew which is all Hook had to hold onto right then in his responsibility as Captain.
A friend pointed out to me that we clearly saw Hook carrying that picture around in his vest and suggested that maybe Smee put it on his desk – somewhere Bae would see, so that they could finally get rid of him and make everybody safe. I can kinda see that happening actually…might also explain why, if Hook found out, that Smee was not brought with him when he went to the EF to continue his quest for revenge. (Or perhaps, Smee just wanted to not age and stay put as did the rest of the crew, that’s possible too). I just kinda like the Sneaky!Smee angle because he was clearly opposed to Hook being close to the boy because it put them all in danger.
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MysteryKat25Participant@Demileto wrote:
@Phee wrote:
People were abusing Colin for casual remarks made in an interview? What is wrong with people? *baffled* 😕
That’s why I have come to hate love triangles, it always breeds bad blood among the fandom. Look how it was so easy and lighthearted to discuss ships in OUAT in season 1 and how we now have to tread very carefully when doing so beginning with season 2 as far as Hook/Emma/Neal triangle is concerned.
Regardless of who wins and loses this battle, I hope the writers don’t drag this until the end of the show.
Agreed. How people were twisting Colin’s words to that degree I still can’t begin to wrap my head around. It got reallllly ridiculous last night. I didn’t even read the comment section on that article but people were blasting the tags on tumblr and it seemed like they were ready to get a mob together with pitchforks, calling that remark every name in the book and then some (some people really need to have dictionaries thrown at them, I swear). He was pushed into agreeing with the interview by a very bad leading question and answered it by saying that it was a possibility (however unlikely) and people just went NUTS.
I hope it doesn’t drag out too long either. I’m already bracing myself for S3 and trying to figure out how to keep enjoying stuff when so many will be sure to try and make me feel awful for doing so. (Season 2 was bad enough being constantly told how awful I was supposed to find absolutely everything). This is the first time I’ve really been into online fandoms and last season was great. Now that we have the triangle things are getting UGLY but that’s no excuse to be so downright cruel to the ACTOR (or anybody else for that matter – hate characters / storylines all you want but just….ugh that made me so mad).
Sadly I don’t see it going away even if they do spell out Emma’s choice as true love just because people will be upset, wanting to hold out hope, and storming whoever says there isn’t any. I get being upset about which way a triangle goes but it shouldn’t deter from overall enjoyment of the show and it definitely should not include attacking people involved in making said show.
Adam gets enough hate as it is (and he’s certainly getting at least some from EvilRegals right now…) but Colin is fairly new to all the twitter stuff and was just celebrating hitting 50k and now this. I hope the continued ridiculously doesn’t deter any of the cast from interacting with fans on there. The guy was sweet enough to wake up super early in Ireland to do a live-tweet of a show he couldn’t even see the feed for! Give him a break already, the comment wasn’t that bad! >.<
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI think Ginny did it because she reached a certain number of twitter followers and Bailee (young Snow) did that when she did which is where Ginny was given the idea. I think they’re just randomly all doing it now since it’s hiatus and doing a live-tweet session is a nice way to give back to their followers.
I really enjoyed Ginny’s (not that I could keep up with it much) and Josh jumped in a little with that too which was cute. Looking forward to Josh’s and anybody else’s who comes along. This cast is very warm and welcoming with the fans. <3 it!
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