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@rumplegoldfan – speechless! (Who me? You get the idea!)
Looks like Jim Halterman’s interviews will be up sometime soon…I hope! He did a lot of them but it looks like JMO & Colin’s interview was a joint one! Here’s the tweet from today:
https://twitter.com/JimHalterman/status/442044034744213504/photo/1
Also, there were some very lovely Q&As in an article posted elsewhere in the forum and one of the things mentioned Hook telling Emma to use her “superpower” to see if he’s lying. !!!!! Major callback to the Pilot with Henry (yay!), as well as Hook on the beanstalk begging her to look at him to see if he’s lying, and on top of that it’s acknowledging something VERY IMPORTANT to her that Neal always puts down – not that she remembers this of course but we do – AND the superpower/lying thing was one of the first things that Emma/Henry talked about and now it’ll be one of the first things that’s mentioned for Hook and Emma round 2! When I saw that I was so excited! SO MANY PILOT FEELS right now I can’t wait! I’m trying to wait to rewatch the pilot closer to 3×12 but….so many feelings!
TOTALLY AGREE on the wording thing. It’s just more and more symbolism that is subtly/not so subtly being shown to us through the dialogue. It’s easy to pick and choose and come up with different meanings for everything that is said so I get that. If we went off JUST dialogue then both sides would win and lose and we’d be back where we started but some things they like to emphasize and/or there’s no other reason for it than to plant an idea in your head.
I love that quite often we see almost the exact same lines used which immediately make you think of the other times it was used – CS does this a lot with Snowing and SF does this a lot with Milah/Rumple for example. Now we have a lot of Hook/Henry in S1 parallels going on as well which is exciting too. The fact that they used fire as the thing that DESTROYED her quiet little life with Henry is one of those things that’s there and could be harmless but these things add up. There are several times where if we were to list out every little thing that makes us believe in CS, many could be crossed off the list as this that or the other….but when you have allllll that other stuff AND these things…well, it makes you feel a lot better about it than before. Whatever works. 🙂 (But I do think it’s awesome symbolism in this particular case so if that’s what they wanted to bring to mind, good job).
Going back to the CS and Snowing lines, we’ve had the similar things between the “You found me” and “Did you ever doubt I would?” and the “Does that surprise you?” (which I really hope we get a version of this after the hug!!! There’s also Hook ALMOST WORD FOR WORD saying the same thing as Charming’s letter to Snow about not a day will go by…and then, well, there’s Emma calling Hook a stalker. Know who else she called stalker? Mary Margaret when she was “stalking” David Nolan. AKA the only part of Cursed!Snowing that was ever positive because MM & David were drawn to each other and knew they were supposed to be together before they let their cursed selves get in the way and screw things up. Now we have Emma wearing leather and letting Hook get to her and being drawn to him and they’re massively paralleling Henry in the pilot and I just…can it be Sunday yet please?? Plus I think there are supposed to be some pretty cute exchanges between Hook and Henry too and one of the screeners said something about Henry playing matchmaker? If Emma and Walsh have been together for 8 months I’m pretty sure Henry doesn’t need to play matchmaker for them so….maybe something he says is good for us? *Taking everything with a grain of salt until we see everything in context but I NEED this episode!*
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So much awesome stuff today guys. And the View even let them sit together! LOVE how into the show Whoopi is (which makes sense since she’s Mrs. Rabbit on OUAT in Wonderland but still, having someone doing the interviewing that knows what’s going on and is enthusiastic about it? AWESOME!)
The interviews were great albeit short. Not tons of new stuff (but yay for new clips, more on that shortly). I mostly just love how awesome this cast is and how well they get along with each other! Plus bonus points for Daddy!Charming feels since Josh & JMO are so close!
Clip Stuff: Where to Begin?
Emma’s in LEATHER….after getting upset that a leather-clad stranger came to her apartment and tried to kiss her….cause that makes sense. Subtle job there costuming, we’re not associating them AT ALL…hahahaha, who am I kidding? It’s like some part of Emma is drawn to him and remembers but her head just can’t add it all up because as Hook said, Regina did a number on her.
Speaking of Regina’s false memories for Emma…a fire? Sure it’s an easy way to explain her lack of things but it’s also very interesting given that the reason her life was screwed up before were because of things outside of her control (like a fire) and were actually caused by Neal aka Baelfire. Very fitting that a fire destroyed her life and made her pick up and move elsewhere once again, even in her cursed memory state. It’s convenient but so are a lot of other things. They could have given her any memories since they gave her fake ones about having kept Henry alllll this time….and they gave her Boston until last year when a fire destroyed everything (when in reality Regina knows that Emma lived all over the place and Boston was just the last place she was before SB. Gooooo figure. How nice of Regina to put Emma in a city where Hook can send her (unknowingly) to Neal’s old place which will cause her to find photographic evidence that maybe Hook’s not lying – EVERYTHING revolves around what Hook is saying and doing and Neal’s apartment only serves to upset Emma, make her worry that Neal wants in Henry’s life, and makes her curious enough about the pictures that might prove what the crazy leather guy is saying. IT IS ALL ABOUT HOOK and her connection to HIM that will make her remember and the apartment / dreamcatcher etc are just tools to get us there.
Hook’s “You just don’t remember” reminds me a lot of S1 Henry describing the inhabitants of SB and saying “they just don’t remember who they are.” *FEELS* I mean, I’m sure we’ll have a LOT of Pilot/S1 feels anyway but this stuck out for me. And then there’s the talk of being able to show her who she is and who her family is – to answer the questions he KNOWS she has always had. The things that Neal *explained* he wanted for her and in a roundabout way succeeded in getting for her, but she had no clue that was the “mission” – she was just left to fend for herself until her son came and found her. *Expecting a lot of Hook & Henry S1 parallels for sure* I love the fact that Hook tells Emma what’s going on and brings her around (with a lot of persistence (which JMO has always said is SUPER IMPORTANT when dealing with Emma in anything including romance…) to make the choice rather than just does stuff for her like everyone else seems to be doing including Snowing (again) and Neal (again). It’s going to be one of the more frustrating points if Emma is indeed keeping Henry in the dark but it will be another Snow/Emma bonding thing I’m sure…plus make Henry resentful just like Emma was and help him run back to Regina once he does get his memories back…..reverse S1 parallel in people lying to him and making him think he’s crazy? Looks like a check mark on that as well.
Parental vs Couple relationships:
There’s a fine line in a lot of this stuff. I hate when anybody makes a choice for someone else especially on something big and life-changing. They’re going to resent it and it’s going to cause drama. Some characters, like Emma end up being hypocritical even though their hearts are in the right place. I love how grey things are in this show where you can see why someone wants to do something even if it’s not what the other one would appreciate when they find out (which they will of course). When it comes down to the TYPE of relationship however, this is a much bigger line that I draw.
It’s not easy watching Regina lie to Henry, or Snowing send Emma away (or letting her stay away with fake memories), or the potential that Emma will keep Henry in the dark about his real life, but as hard as that is to see, there is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE when it comes to COUPLES.
Parents are supposed to take care of their children and try to do what’s best for them. Sometimes their way of doing that is a bit more twisted than others and I’m not defending every choice made for sure. But couples? Couples are supposed to be EQUALS. To work as a TEAM. To not make choices for the other person but to work it out together.
This is one of the things I love SO MUCH about CaptainSwan because they are consistently shown AS A TEAM (and it was even pointed out in the dialogue wayyyy back when that they make a great team). They talk things out, they defer to each other when it makes sense to do so etc. etc. It’s beautiful watching how much faith Hook has in her and now without her memories, how much he’s going to have to fight to get her to believe in him again. WE know she does and from what we’ve seen so far she’s still drawn to him enough to put up with it, stand close to him, take little bits of what he’s saying to heart until it’s just too many things to ignore and eventually “take a leap of faith” and drink the potion. That hug is going to be incredible and I can’t wait!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
We have some scoop from EW coming up after 3×12 (which means maybe for 3×13 or maybe something big for 3×14 like they did with the kiss giving it to us a week earlier no idea) and now…
Add someone from People Mag into our corner! Just saw this tweet!
@jenmorrisonlive thanks for stopping by @peoplemag and sharing all the #ouat spoilers #wink #teamhook
— Caryn M (@carynsue) March 7, 2014
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
According to Mandy (ihearttvsnark) on tumblr (she gets screeners & writes teases for a lot of shows), the sneak was her 4th favorite CS scene of the episode. 4th! From what I’ve gathered, 1st favorite line starts with “I” but she said people would get the wrong idea of what the line would be if she said that when she was first asked about her favorite, so said her 2nd favorite starts with “Perhaps” and supposedly everything will surpass the great lines we’ve had before! CAN NOT WAIT!)
If you’re on tumblr and like teases you should definitely check her out. She doesn’t like to outright spoil which is great but she does answer questions and try to tease a bunch but here’s the main tease I just mentioned: http://ihearttvsnark.tumblr.com/post/78774106690/so-the-scene-that-was-just-released-where-does-that
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Glad to be back!
@rumplegoldfan – aww. I totally understand though – he does raise expectations doesn’t he?Totally agree on going over the same material a million times. It’s one of the reasons I took a step back and just kept up with the spoilers because I was sick of going in circles and having the same arguments 24/7. Made for a much saner hiatus even though I am still chomping at the bit like always!
Just realized being back that I never got around to finalizing an idea for a banner and I really wanted one. Working on a couple of ideas and hopefully putting *something* together soon, though it’s definitely not my forte. My sig just looks so blank while everyone else has these beautiful things decorating their posts!
I’ll try not to do the MONSTER posts but I’m definitely looking forward to diving back in with reactions, theories, metas etc! Oh how I’ve missed my favorite show!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@CaptainEala – I’m good, you? TRYING to stay calm and relaxed as it has been very helpful over the hiatus to stay away from as much of the drama as possible (while keeping up with spoilers etc on tumblr) but we’re so close to being back it’s getting harder to stay away! SO GLAD we finally got a sneak peak!
I’m kinda tired of the various interview drama etc. If Adam is right about one thing, context and what we see on screen is the most important thing so I am very much looking forward to actual scenes and episodes so we can flail over the stuff that actually matters! That sneak was only the beginning!
This episode is supposed to be AMAZING for us and people are flipping out and even some very strong anti-hook reporters have said they were softening to him and CS after this episode so while I doubt that’ll happen for the majority, hopefully it means that what we have is just SO awesome that sometimes it convinces others which means….we’ll all be dying since we want it to begin with! Plus there’s just so much other non-ship stuff I’m excited about but of course for the purposes of this thread am ecstatic that we finally get to see them share time together again and how he’s going to be persistent and convince her to take the potion to remember!
Must remain calm, still a couple more days but ahh, it’s like the KISS sneak all over again where we have it days in advance and are hungry for some good news and finally have something to work with. (Granted ANY scene from the show right now would be incredible but so glad that they chose an important CS interaction (is there any other kind?!?) to be the first one back! So much chemistry & Colin just kills it – so much emotion & sincerity!)
3B looks absolutely amazing and I love how even though they’re doing mini-seasons, things seem to tie back together. How many times has someone told Emma to take a leap of faith now? It was definitely a thing in 3×01 so it ties back to that a bit even though it’s been done before too. Hook delivering it (and the way he did…*swoon* was reminiscent of the “try something new darling…” from the beanstalk. Love it! Can’t wait til she remembers and we get the HUG! I have been anxiously waiting for that foreverrrrrrrr so we can see their reactions to it! All accounts say that every CS interaction in this episode will have us smiling so I can only imagine…. 😉
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
We’re BACK! Well close enough to it anyway to get sneak peaks! YAY!
Welcome back to any like me who have tried to stay away over the hiatus and hello to all the new faces who joined in! Always good to see more CaptainSwan shippers around!
So many thoughts on various things I’m sure you’ve all been discussing but so excited that we’ll soon have an actual episode with context to discuss that may help us decipher how other things are going down the line for 3B!
THE SNEAK IS AMAZING. The acting is incredible and I just want to reach through the screen and hug him and tell him it will be alright.
Can it be Sunday yet? Please? Getting verrry impatient but hoping we get more sneaks or something to tide us over with. Either way it’s supposed to be amazing! Can’t wait to be back a bit more full-time chatting with everyone about how awesome this ship is!
Now back to flailing over the sneak peak & pretending Sunday is closer than it is. Guess I should relearn how various things work around here, the spoiler boxes have changed and those could come in handy for later posts. 😉
*cookies*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@sweetgrass – Interesting. Thanks for sharing! I’ve always loved the fact that Walt Disney decided that he would be too likable to kill off at the end like so many other villains in the classic Disney movies. Then it came back up with the NealFire Pan theories with the triangle (we were only off 2 generations…it’s in his blood…lol!) that Hook was traditionally someone who made Wendy realize that staying young forever wasn’t all it was cracked up to be and wanting a more mature relationship and helping her choose to go home instead of staying in NL, never to grow up and experience the world the way she was meant to. Always interesting to see the source material and how he’s changed over the years. There have been many compelling actors who have played Hook but this is DEFINITELY not any of those versions! I swear, the men these shows make me love… lol. It’s on my list of original things to read but haven’t gotten around to it yet. I haven’t touched any of the traditional Pan stories since falling for Hook so that should be interesting after watching Once!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Just found this on tumblr. OUAT: A Christmas Story. Enjoy! http://cryinodonoghue.tumblr.com/post/70740882921/ouat-a-christmas-story
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Can we get back to CaptainSwan now? PLEASE?
Two of my all-time favorite scoundrels. A Star Wars marathon is definitely on my list for the hiatus. After all, Hook “Han-Solo’d back” and “We’ve got our Princess Leia right here” pointing at JMO. They’re so cute when they’re being fanboys. 😉
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