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I’m looking over early episode transcripts for various quotes that jump out at me (will do a full rewatch later) and I had forgotten about this quote from Emma in 1×05:
You’re smart, you know not to get involved with a married guy. It’s not worth the heartache – trust me.
She was talking to MM about whether she should get involved with David but it sounded very…personal to Emma. I know we went around and around on it when we theorized she was likely talking about Henry’s father but that doesn’t appear to be the case.
It could be from her experience as a bounty hunter, as we saw with that guy Ryan in the pilot, but it could also be one of her relationships over the past decade. Her walls were still clearly up with Graham but I doubt she hasn’t had any flings here and there since her stint in jail and she seems to have a lot of random ammo to use in the guy department so this quote gets lumped in with those that doesn’t quite fit Neal but aren’t directed at anybody specifically that we know until now.
While it could have been something someone told her about her boyfriend while she was in jail (we haven’t seen how they knew to arrest her yet), I feel like she would have said something to him in Manhattan about the fact he forgot to tell her he was married and as far as we know now, he wasn’t when they met unless they’ve just left that little detail out and nobody bothered to address it so again…I don’t think this relates to Neal.
Just one of those pesky things I thought I’d throw out there. I can’t imagine that anybody else from her past decade of life will be brought into anything unless she just randomly keeps meeting FTL people out in the world but it seems like a story that should have been explored more or was a misdirect or possibly they hadn’t decided exactly how they wanted to handle Neal (which is odd cause they planned him out from the beginning to be Bae and had to wait to see him til they got the rights to NL to explain him away cause we used to be told we’d only see him much much later on).
Basically my head is spinning but a quote is a quote and must be mentioned if remotely suspicious, even though not everything will ever 100% be perfectly tied up into a neat little bow.
Carry on.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantGood question. We don’t really know why he needs Henry in the first place. For all we know it could be a kid and he looks exactly like Henry. I’ve always been of the mindset that where usually Peter is looking for his shadow, this time the shadow is looking for Peter (or at least, a body) so it would make sense to be a child.
While I agree that whoever plays Peter will (seemingly) have to go up against our heroes, a child (especially with weird, sinister powers) could be quite creepy and intimidating, especially to someone new at magic and to the realm (like Emma) and especially when they have a band of followers as well. Lest we forget, Peter has the lost ones on his side and some of them (like Felix) are definitely older and intimidating.
I realize that Rumple & Regina are there too and have better control over their magic than Emma does, but we don’t know yet how magic works within NL or how that might affect any of them. If it doesn’t work the way they expect it to, then a child with powers in an environment he is accustomed to and backed by a large group of friends could be quite dangerous.
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MysteryKat25Participant@HappyEndings wrote:
Thank you!!! That makes sense. 😛
You’re welcome! Seems I’ve been on a “parse the interview” spree today. My head is still spinning from all the leading questions and odd commentaries in between what the actual answers are. If people would just stick to here’s the question and here’s their answer things would be so much easier but no…they insist on telling us what it “must mean!” (and they’re usually wrong…)
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MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Yup. I was just passing along the spoiler, as I do. But that’s why I wrote underneath a reminder that ALL our actors and writers are going to play EVERYTHING close to the vest right now.
Much appreciated. I saw people freaking out in other places and had no idea what they were even reacting to!
Glad I found that comment from him (after my long rant….) but that it basically echoed what I was saying about how to really read the interview. I get just as excited as everybody else about what people say but it all really needs to be taken with a grain of salt because of who it is, what they may or may not know, and how the article is framed.
I’ve seen too many “articles” lately that throw more of their personal opinion into what is told than the quotes themselves do and they rarely match up with what is supposedly *confirmed* in their minds vs what was actually said (which leads to others have to defend it later on…poor Adam gets so much hate for no reason!)
Leading the witness is wrong for a reason and I know people need stories but he clearly was trying to say here’s how I see things, what’s your reaction to this idea? rather than what is your opinion on the Emma situation (which is what the original question really was so it was very misleading on that part). I hope if he didn’t realize it before that he does now just how rabid the OUAT fanbase is and that we DO take apart absolutely everything! (And with good reason!)
It’s one of the only issues I have with the official podcast because I feel like the questions chosen by the interviewer are very skewed and it rarely gives them a chance to delve into other stuff that fans are equally as passionate about. Many times they’ve had to take the question down a meandering path to get it where they want it to be for an answer because it’s so blatantly skewed. (Hoping next season will be a bit more balanced…)
It just goes to show how an interviewer’s questions can lead to certain answers whether that’s what people really want out there or not. I doubt if he had asked Colin about the future for Hook and Emma that his response would have been a fling with Regina…it came out of left field (which is what I think threw people) but Matt said himself that he was leading him down that path. *shakes fist* Stop with the shoddily done interviews and just give us their words and the exact questions leading to those words so we have something to work with!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantJust found this in the comment section of the article from the guy who wrote it:
Seriously. Since many are determined to parse words to a dizzying degree and take the fun out of everything, here is full disclosure: I asked Colin about Hook’s romantic options given how the season ended — him on the boat there with Regina and Emma. He said he wasn’t sure. I then cued him with the fact that Emma will probably be licking her emotional/romantic wounds, so maybe Hook will in the meantime pursue Regina. He basically echoed that idea. No fiendish twirling of the mustache by the actor who was speaking from his character’s mindset.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantThe person asked the question of whether we’d see her in SB but the answer that Eddie gave was “I would be very disappointed if we didn’t see Wendy grown up and a part of the ONCE UPON A TIME world.”
So she may or may not have been brought over to SB but may end up being seen there or perhaps in NL or who knows where at some point. They didn’t specifically answer the question about whether she’d be in SB.
As for Regina, she brought over the specific people she wanted and I’m not clear on the rest – some were left under Cora’s dome and we don’t know exactly how many and some may just not have been important enough in her mind to have been brought over. And of course with Wendy being introduced as older we have a whole other t-word issue but since Eddie said just “within the OUAT world” she could be seen in flashbacks if Bae escaped NL at some point and then decided to go back after finding that Wendy had gotten older or who knows what.
Either way they didn’t confirm Wendy was definitely in SB just that we should expect to see her again. The rest was pure speculation on the writer of the article.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantActors don’t always know the direction of their characters for future seasons, especially when the writers are just now hitting the writing rooms and filming doesn’t start for a few weeks yet.
Being asked about the eligible ladies on the ship, he graciously didn’t kill off either possibility because he honestly probably doesn’t know, hence the “who knows” part. (And really, who does other than H&K?)
It seems like he was really being led to ask questions specifically about Regina & Emma and he was kind about it and didn’t throw off either because he doesn’t know (so as much as I love the wording of “while he’s waiting for Emma” that still doesn’t give us ANYTHING concrete).
I hate leading questions and I hate the commentary in between the actual quotes which were more than likely in answer to very leading questions. The man doesn’t know anything yet and in past interviews he’s always tried (emphasis on *tried*) to play coy and say he doesn’t know anything but as soon as he’s asked about Emma he gets this little look on his face (his “maybe” is never very convincing at hiding anything) but even that isn’t 100% guaranteeing anything in the future because he only knew stuff he filmed already.
I think he graciously answered a horrible question in regards to stuff he just doesn’t officially know so I will take it with a grain of salt and focus on the fact that he pretty much thinks that if Hook does for whatever reason go after Regina, it will apparently be because Emma is still suffering from Neal being “dead” and that Hook would only be in a fling with Regina “while waiting for Emma.”
Especially considering the leading thing of “Given that Emma is currently reeling from the loss of Neal” – which is subjective critique on the writers’ part in this case – it could be, we’ve seen her clearly upset and we know they’ve said that SF still have feelings for each other, but the only thing we’ve heard out of her (SO FAR, I’m sure we’ll get more insight into her thinking next season at the start especially) is that she was worried about Henry losing his father. We will get more later but with a leading question like “Given that Emma is currently reeling from the loss of Neal…” how the heck else is Colin of all people supposed to answer a question like that??
Nothing of this particular inquiry holds any weight to what the future actually holds (and it kinda bugs me that it’s considered to be spoilers by them because really, we know they’re all on a ship and it doesn’t say anything will happen between any of them, just that there are 2 eligible women on board *smacks forehead* and is just to stir people up. Now all I’m seeing everywhere is people freaking out and taking it as gospel and either shrieking with joy or crying buckets. I know he means well, I just think these quotes are being taken way too seriously and way out of context due to the commentary in between that sounds like they were leading him into the only answer he really can give. What could he possibly have said? Eww Regina? He could have questioned it based on their history but he’d still have ended up saying “who knows” because he just…doesn’t.
Poor thing is getting all kinds of horrible nicknames now about trolling and I don’t think he was trying to at all. If anything, it was a poorly crafted interview and he was trying to NOT give anything away if he does have any idea. If you look at the videos from PaleyFest when he was asked if Hook could change for a woman he was all “maybe” but had this huge guilty grin on his face that wasn’t remotely convincing that Hook wouldn’t do something to change for a woman (he came back after looking at the bean AND the scratch marks, not just one or the other – both must be acknowledged).
So…I will chalk this whole thing up to shoddy “journalism” and somebody trying to create a story where there isn’t one at this time. If they did this once filming started and asked about what it was like for Hook to have 2 eligible ladies on the boat with him, he may have entirely different answers and/or continued to try not to give anything away and not just shoot down any options, especially when they have no knowledge of anything. It would be awful of an actor to say there’s no way something couldn’t happen and then have them look like liars when that exact thing does.
I really respected the (much better handled) MRJ interview from SSTTR where he answered a question with what he thought but specifically said “I don’t want to paint the writers into a corner” – it’s an actors job to act the part they’re given the way they’re told to do it. Their opinion could be vastly different from what we see on screen and Colin is pretty good about saying that various ideas would be interesting rather than boxing Hook into a corner. It can be frustrating (especially to CS fans…) but it’s also one of the only choices he has: to not rule anything out when he has no knowledge to do so and/or give anything away.
It’s one of the reasons H&K NEVER say who won’t be paired together because it narrows down the options which means once they STOP saying no to something, it’s more viable. It alienates fans and upsets people as well as takes away part of the surprise.
I adore Colin and I’m sure he wasn’t trying to rile anybody at all or give unnecessary hope / dash hopes etc. He just doesn’t know anything and with the questions that were seemingly asked I don’t really see how else he could have answered them. =/
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MysteryKat25ParticipantPriceofMagic you continue to outdo yourself! I have no idea how you come up with these perfect things but please keep them coming as I am enjoying them immensely!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantWell they might or might not, I haven’t decided which way to read into what they were saying! They want to keep a tight wrap on anything relating to casting news of PP but couldn’t that also mean that the casting of him is someone they have in mind and/or someone they already have that will double as that and they just don’t want to speak about any of it? I’m really not sure at this point…
It was nice of them to confirm it would be a guy but with everything else SO closely guarded it really brings a lot into question. I keep wavering on how to read that quote because they could just as easily be talking about the casting process and looking for someone new as they could be talking about a secret casting job for it that they don’t want spoiled.
Ahhh!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantTraditionally when Peter Pan is performed on the stage, a girl plays the part of Peter (presumably to not have any issues during the play’s run with cracking voices and such). So they’re just confirming they’re not pulling a Jack/Jacqueline thing and that Peter will be a boy (much easier to do for screen versions than long theater runs).
The way they’ve worded things is tricky. It sounds like the details they need to use for casting purposes would give too much away, how vague & difficult that must be for potential actors! o.O I wonder if it’s because of something like with the Regina family tree drama from before?
If you recall, there were theories that Rumple was her father not Henry Sr. etc but when you look at it, one is Scottish and the other is Latino, like Regina – they’re very specific on some casting stuff, even if it’s not immediately obvious.
Most of the casting calls we’ve had access to will say things like British accent or of ____ descent or what their personality will be like or SOMETHING that clues us in to what they’re thinking for casting purposes. If they want Peter related to anybody for instance, they can’t very well go out saying we’re looking for someone who looks exactly like a younger version of _____ without giving away the whole thing. Likewise, since Peter is so mysterious as the moment (and seemingly sinister but we haven’t gotten to actually see him yet to know anything 100%), even personality traits could be a dead giveaway.
They’re giving us less to speculate on which in turn gives us MORE to speculate on! We know Peter is important and for some reason wants Henry but now he’s so important that a simple casting call would give too much information? We know the character is coming yet it’s hidden because it would be a “big spoiler.”
As for any specific lines in there that aren’t specifically from the writers, I’m inclined to think they have a “reason” for using that wording, but at the same time some things are taken different ways by different people and it could always just be their opinion based on what they’ve seen already and their theory is that it somehow relates to being a dark one because of the lost ones angle (not saying they’re wrong though, it does seem like we will be getting a very different version of Peter and Rumple knows something).
Is it S3 yet??
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