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MysteryKat25Participant
Awesome list! I’ve been marathoning everything else to catch up before doing my OUAT rewatch but happy to see lots of the parallels actually listed out! Some are more obvious than others and a lot of those never even occurred to me! SOOO happy to see a lot of the Snowing ones spelled out. Not sure how people can miss every single one of them…but they are there and there are many!
Looking forward to seeing any updates to the lists and what others find as well. We all notice different types of things and when added together it makes for one giant CaptainSwan-loving list of legitimate reasons to ship them!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantAwesome find Obisgirl!
I was thinking about the early CS days a bit ago and realized something. When Emma has Hook tied to the tree and he’s trying to convince her to let him go he makes a point of saying that they want the same thing. This is one of their first interactions and he’s saying “Because we want the same thing” though at this point that “same thing” is to get the compass and get to SB.
This is important because….in Emma’s first interaction with Neal after many many years, the majority of their interaction at the start of Manhattan is how they do NOT want the same things. Not remotely. Neal even goes so far as to tell her he would have stayed away from her if he had known she had a connection to FTL and like it or not she has a HUGE one now – her parents, her kid wants to be there, etc etc. He goes on his rants about not wanting anything to do with magic and she is the product of true love and has very very POWERFUL magic. These are HUGE issues that there’s not a lot of middle ground on.
He never even says that he loved her too when she said she loved him back then and was clearly hurt by it. He was just all destiny fate blah blah and they made a POINT of saying they must have been brought together for some reason (HENRY) even though she doesn’t spell that part out to him at the time.
Neal is ALL about fate and destiny but he had this defeatist attitude the entire time they were in the bar and basically spelled out that it was ONLY fate and destiny that they should have had HENRY. The entire conversation is how much they are not right for each other because he doesn’t want the same things AT ALL. Had he not known about Henry I’m not even 100% positive he would have gone out of his way to make sure Rumple was alright. I’d like to think he would have but he really just wanted him to go away until Henry showed up so had Henry not been there, Rumple would have been attacked when Neal nowhere around and goodness knows what would have happened.
So the main point I’m trying to make is…one showed a conversation about wanting the same things (which leads to the “what we need is right in front of us” “let’s go home” etc etc from Hook) …and the other is about how Neal & Emma do not want the same things. This CAN’T be meaningless, especially when we see constantly how much Neal hates magic and we’re seeing more and more that Emma is very powerful magically speaking.
I agree on all the stuff I’ve seen about the CS catch-phrase being “I will always come back for you” because
they always find a way back to each other and choose to come back or expect the other person to come back to them. (IE: Emma knowing Hook would follow but giving them a 10 hr headstart, Hook coming back for her etc. Hook is the ONLY person she ever actually expects to come back for her. You could see how devastated she was when she realized the pouch that supposedly had the bean was empty. She never even THOUGHT to check it like she normally would have with anybody else, she expected it to be there because it was from HOOK.)Emma has abandoned 2 people and been abandoned by everyone else at one time or another. Those two people? HENRY & HOOK. Both of which have made a point of hunting her down and/or coming back to her, even when she’s abandoned and wounded them in some way.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@yuka chan wrote:
I don’t really have a particularly valuable contribution to make to this thread at this moment in time but hi. I ship this so hard. I never used to but then everything changed because of Tumblr and I just really need this to become canon next season.
Hi and welcome yuka! Don’t worry about whether you feel like you can contribute or not, just jump on in whenever you feel like it. π
It’s a supportive CS community and it helps tons to see that others feel the same way! Always happy to welcome more CaptainSwan shippers and look forward to seeing where this thread goes, especially over the long summer. *sniff*
It’s a long thread but essentially a safe haven for CS people. I know it’s helped me tons when I panic after hearing various things and find my shipmates who remind me of various reasons to hope. It’s also a great way to keep up with any news about our favorite characters and any and all things CS are fair game so if you find something great or want to check out what we’ve found or add something of your very own by all means do so!
The more people with eyes on the ship / details the better. I know I was seriously panicking awhile back and then started browsing here and tumblr and seeing that there were SO many little things that I missed that when added altogether meant for a lot of good CS stuff!
Everybody has a valuable opinion. We all see different things and look at things from different angles so please don’t be shy to jump in when you think of something, even if it’s just to agree with something else. The more the merrier and welcome aboard!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantLOL, yep! I do the same thing when I’m writing. I changed the novel I wrote for CampNaNoWriMo in April because the other one just wasn’t laying out like a novel but I was imagining various scenes like a movie. I’m probably going to try that one again for the camp in July. Seeing more of what you’re trying to write definitely helps though!
We haven’t really gotten a lot of shirtlessness for OUAT so I doubt they’ll go that far with it but making sure he’s in tip-top shape can’t hurt right? π (And of course, every little bit helps feed the fanfic plot bunnies) π
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MysteryKat25Participant@obisgirl wrote:
Colin tweeted today that he’s at the gym.. You might be wondering, why is that significant or how does it relate to CS?
We know for sure, we’re going to see a LOT of Hook next season since we’re going to Neverland. It was pointed out on tumblr that maybe S3 OAUT producers told Colin to start working out at the gym a bit because there could be scenes where heβll be shirtless / not very clothed with his Swan.
That is purely speculative though, but seriously, would be very awesome if we got some shirtless Hook next season and Emma sees what he looks like without the black leather. I imagine she would be quite flustered. π
Haha, nice! Either way it’s a good sign because it means that his leg is on the mend and should be getting stronger / ready for lots of exciting stuff for S3! Poor thing was limping down that gangplank (I think that’s what it’s called??) at the end of ASOTM so glad to hear he’s getting better!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI just tweeted Adam for clarification but doubt I’ll get a response. People are jumping on the way he answered one of his previous tweets assuming that he means SwanFire are endgame but his wording made it sound like he knew the answer but wouldn’t say (especially since he ended it with #nospoilers) and he would be silly to actually say.
I know since SSTTR people are assuming that SF is endgame, but everything with ASOTM – especially with the added info that he apparently knows the direction things are going in now FOR endgame….I’m inclined to disagree and say they’re blatantly setting up CS now. With all of the parallels and symbolism we’ve seen and listed I don’t see HOW that’s a “delusional” way of viewing it.
I can play devil’s advocate til I’m blue in the face but with the finale I just don’t see how anybody can be 100% certain it’s SF at this point. They’re either setting up 1 heck of a perfect triangle or they’re trying to very slowly lead us down the CS path and people are gonna be very upset thinking they teased SF because apparently saying I love you when you think the person you loved a decade ago is dying = I’m in love with you now and will be forever even after a lot of rotten stuff.
That’s ignoring ALL of the CS parallels etc that we have been so carefully looking over, as well as the bookending the season with Neal not coming back and Hook coming back along with the bean symbolism and all of the quotes from season 1 about Emma not reverting etc. I was happy to see yesterday during Ginny’s live-tweet #AskGinny session that when somebody asked her who she shipped Emma with she said: “I want her to be with the person who helps her to become her best version of herself. (That was a lot of “her’s.”)”
I’m wondering if people on the show are being a little more careful now because they’ve been asked to or if they’re changing their minds or just trying to be pleasing to all fans with a diplomatic answer during live sessions (probably the diplomatic thing). At PaleyFest I felt more people had strong opinions on the matter (especially Ginny) and then I noticed it between interviews for MRJ even. In one interview he was saying there’s still hope for SF and then in the very next interview (all came out that week, not sure how much actual time between there was but this was before ASOTM aired…) he was all about shipping FAMILY for Bae and “not wanting to paint any writers into a corner” which sounded a little more diplomatic.
I doubt the finale changed many minds for anyone so hopefully next season will. I just don’t see how, if they KNOW what they’re planning to do down the line, that ALL of the planted clues are red herrings. This isn’t a murder mystery novel. They don’t HAVE to put clues, red herrings etc etc. It’s the nature of the show. They parallel important things, and so far? I’m seeing / hearing a lot of stuff that leads to CS, not SF (and believe me, I was looking and worried about SF for a VERY long time to the point where I was pulling my hair out that CS had to be a stepping stone to them and not wanting them together anytime soon because that’s how it would appear).
Looking forward to seeing these lists of all the little details and the way they’ve shown us one versus the other. They keep showing Neal in past tense even though he’s around now and I really think his focus will eventually be on family in general, not on Emma. Either that or it’s the slowest, most red-herring driven attempt at true love they have EVER shown us on the show cause it’s completely off with everything else they’ve done and it makes absolutely 0 sense to parallel CS so fully and make Neal sound like he’s the past and then switch it up. Absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I realize that most people see the “I love you” and immediately think case-closed but there’s no way it’s that easy, regardless of who she ends up with. It’s just not, not in this show. I don’t think a lot of people notice things that don’t help their ship in any way and I get that, I do…but we have legit things to hold onto pointing in the direction of CS so I will hold on to those for now and hope for the best. I’ve heard many times that people see no parallels between CS & Snowing and as much as infuriates me at times I get that if you’re not looking for it some things just aren’t as obvious. (Reminds me of the Pinocchio & Frankenstein stuff where people thought it was impossible or that August was Bae and what have you, but then looking back all the clues were there). Kinda wondering at this point if they will feel like they need a cheesy montage when Emma makes her choice just to show all the clues leading to it. Sick of hearing that Hook is just a fling etc and he shouldn’t be if they went to ALL that effort with everything else. It’s almost as annoying as hearing after ASOTM “take that CSers, Hook will ship SF” like it’s set in stone. He may try to make way for it for a bit and let Emma make up her own mind, but it’s not like he’s going to go out of his way to try and make them get back together. I sincerely doubt he would do that.
If they change it up so drastically I will be furious beyond belief because it was clearly set up that way even though a lot of people choose not to see and/or acknowledge and that’s their perogative. It just means that the creators will get to have a little more fun with it because they’re sure to say they thought for sure people would see them going down this path and are amazed that it stayed a mystery for so long because they set it up back in Tallahassee that one was the past and the other her future yada yada but they’ll be happy one of their twists remained a surprise for many because goodness knows a lot of their twists have been figured out already and they can’t very well play a love-triangle scenario (hopefully not for too long…) without having people at least wonder at the back of their minds if their pairing will make it.
*Sigh* – it’s so hard to read into tweets etc, especially with Adam, but I firmly believe all he said was that he CAN answer (as in, he knows if Emma ends up with Neal) but that he WON’T answer, hense “#nospoilers* – otherwise he wouldn’t have said “yes, I can tell you #nospoilers” – there’s no way he meant yes as in yes, they are I can tell you, yes indeed and then followed it up with that hashtag yet some apparently are buying into the “yes” part.
(If he had said that about CS I would have had the same reaction – it’s just not confirmation of anything. I swear H&K took lessons not only from Damon & Carlton on Lost but also JKR with her tricky answers about HP all those years.)
/end twitter rant
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
And she could always make an inside joke about how her best friend is a guppy or how her music teacher is crabby.
Ooo I like that! To the untrained ear it would be random but to those who love The Little Mermaid it would be hilarious! Love it love it love it!
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MysteryKat25Participant@Demileto wrote:
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
They didn’t go with the enchanted objects being cursed angle (Rumple says that the cup is just a cup) but there is a great shot of Belle & Rumple sitting on the table and on the left is the tea service (Mrs. Potts) and on the right is a candlestick and a clock – Lumiere & Cogsworth. Rumple is holding Chip in his hands. π It’s not as good as the real thing we’re used to, but I’m sure it was intentionally done to give a little nod to those characters which I thought was nice.
I tried to embed the pic I just tweeted here but it was being mean so I’ll just put the link. Not the best ever but if you’re looking for it you’ll see all of them in that 1 shot π
http://twitpic.com/csx5dp/full
RG I am right there with you! Love Sebastian!
Oh, I stand corrected, then. However, how does one do something similar to Sebastian, Flounder and Scuttle, then? I don’t think we’ll be getting those as real characters just like we didn’t with Beauty and the Beast’s enchanted objects.
Depends on where they are. If they have Ariel sitting on a rock in Mermaid’s Lagoon, you could see Flounder swimming around, Sebastian sitting on the rock near her and Scuttle either standing or flying nearby. They’d never have to make a noise, just be seen. Or, if she is elsewhere like walking around SB and her story was all in the past, she could have various paintings, statues, etc on her walls or bookshelves like we’ve seen with Rumple (whose pawn shop reminds me of Ariel’s treasure cave) and Gepetto (he had the whale carving young Pinocchio made for instance). So there are lots of possibilities to at least see the characters and I’d like to think they’d at least give us that if they’re not allowed to talk.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantThanks RG. It just was NOT willing to be cooperative for me! At least they put all the objects in the background of important shots in Rumple’s estate if we don’t get to actually see them as characters. Thought it was nice that they were all in 1 frame. π
I hope we get at least some of the characters that go along with mermaids. Not sure if they’ll really go the route of talking animals though. =/ I guess if they make it clear that Ariel is the only one who understands them that might work but it’s tricky. I’d love to see it though, I adore Sebastian and some of the others are fun too. Mermaids talking they can get away with, birds and sea creatures I’m not sure but maybe she’ll at least be seen occasionally with various ones near her so we can imagine for ourselves that she’s hanging out with them. That would be nice. As long as they’re not completely ignored (come on Props department, I trust you guys, don’t let me down!)
I agree! The fork thing is a must and should be easy for them to work in so it better be there!
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MysteryKat25Participant@Demileto wrote:
Probably not. We don’t see Mrs. Potts, LumiΓ¨re or the real Chip, after all. π
They didn’t go with the enchanted objects being cursed angle (Rumple says that the cup is just a cup) but there is a great shot of Belle & Rumple sitting on the table and on the left is the tea service (Mrs. Potts) and on the right is a candlestick and a clock – Lumiere & Cogsworth. Rumple is holding Chip in his hands. π It’s not as good as the real thing we’re used to, but I’m sure it was intentionally done to give a little nod to those characters which I thought was nice.
I tried to embed the pic I just tweeted here but it was being mean so I’ll just put the link. Not the best ever but if you’re looking for it you’ll see all of them in that 1 shot π
http://twitpic.com/csx5dp/full
RG I am right there with you! Love Sebastian!
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