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MysteryKat25Participant
Glad to see it’s official so people can calm down about it now that we know Neal is definitely alive!
So that’s everyone right? Emma, Snow, Charming, Regina, Rumple, Belle, Hook, and now Neal? (I’m assuming Henry as well but I don’t remember if we saw his name anywhere or not and couldn’t find what I was looking at the other day for the list, grr). Sounds like all the core people that are well-loved (and don’t have new shows of their own…) are all back for S3! Can’t wait to see how this massively dysfunctional family gets along.
Glad we should be seeing more of NealFire since his storyline with Rumple and Henry are far far far from over and we need more answers & they definitely could not have left things the way they did this season so obviously he had to be back. This means we should hypothetically see him in most of the episodes for season 3 (I say hypothetically because of the Belle / Ruby stuff last season..) but it means we should at least see him once in awhile in FTL trying to get back, even though the main focus for the first half of the season will probably still be on everyone on the ship with the rescue Henry + get back to SB mission. And then of course we should see him more when they’re all back in SB as well which I’m guessing will be 2nd half of the season.
Regardless of who people ship him with, he is still an important character in his relationships with everyone else so glad he’s back.
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MysteryKat25Participant@RumbelleDearie wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@RumbelleDearie wrote:
I’m just thinking how funny it’ll be if Gold turns back into Rumple once they’re in NL. They go through the portal and then look over and there he is in all his Rumple-ness haha.
I’d love to see Emma’s reaction. And her interacting with Rumple.I wonder if he does change back, will he act like he used to? All impish? Or will he still act like Gold?
I’m picturing this conversation now.
*JR enters NL and Emma sees Rumple as FTL Rumple*
Emma: “You’re green. Why are you green? Does anyone else notice that he’s green? IS ANYONE ELSE NOT BOTHERED BY THE FACT THAT HE’S GREEN?!”Hahahahaha! I can totally picture this!
Ditto! (And what a wonderful idea! I hadn’t even though about the fact that going someplace other than SB could potentially change him back! That scene would be hysterical!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Interesting idea for Grace’s mother – so many possibilities since Jefferson is a realm jumper and all but he clearly had some bad history with Wonderland so I’m inclined to link it to that story.
I really want Grace’s mother to be from WL. Ever since Hat Trick I had thought that it would be Alice and I loved that idea. But clearly, we’re going in a different direction. If the White Queen chose her kingdom and fighting the Red Queen instead of her family, Jefferson may have lied to Grace about her mother being dead.
Agreed, I’m pretty much set that it needs to be somebody connected to Wonderland or at least that something bad happened IN Wonderland – leaving allowances for him to have met somebody elsewhere and gotten them to realm jump with him.
I like your idea though about how things went down! Sadly we probably won’t get it anytime soon 🙁 but I would definitely like those pesky questions surrounding Jefferson to be answered eventually.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@Surayya wrote:
Was just watching the Alice in Wonderland promo & init this fantastic gem of a line, caught my attention- it totally parallels CS & SF (I’ll spoiler tag it just in case)
Alice”Good?”
Cyrus “I just mean that you are not separated from you love, that'd be a terrible fate”
Alice “The proof is for my father, he thinks I'm insane”
Cyrus “So you are risking your life for someone who doesn't believe in you?! When you really love someone, you Don't Need Proof; You Can Feel It“
Doesn’t this totally foreshadow CS 😉 😀Oh & the JR makes an appearance too 😀
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151385468283204I thought the exact same thing when I was watching it the first time (after that I tried to focus on the awesome genie but that line DEFINITELY stuck out to me.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI think the idea is that they think she’s crazy because she’s acting like Wonderland actually exists rather than just being a place in a book. They even pointed out that most unhappy kids create this kind of world in their heads that they’re in to get away from it all (or in her case, especially since her name is Alice, imagine that she is actually the Alice that goes to Wonderland…) so they just think she’s crazy because she believes in it. Doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve never heard of it (especially since they have on OUAT, I agree with you there).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAgreed RG! I want one of those bunnies too…and a genie thrown in would be nice but preferably living (he is rather handsome, isn’t he?)
Interesting idea for Grace’s mother – so many possibilities since Jefferson is a realm jumper and all but he clearly had some bad history with Wonderland so I’m inclined to link it to that story.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAgreed on all counts!
Ok things I’ve noticed after watching this many times:
1) I adore the white rabbit – he’s just so darn cute and he can open portals! (side note: glad they changed the voice, I was NOT happy when I heard that PeeWee Herman was doing it – now I can adore the little guy!)
2) Johnny Coyne is awesome – totally surprised he was in this but happy to see him again, he was excellent on Alcatraz alongside Jorge Garcia (I was so upset when they cancelled it grr)
3) Finally a genie I can like! – loved Cyrus’ speech about love, it was absolute perfection
4) After the original parts in the mental institution it got a lot better – I admit, I was a little bit concerned (clearly I shouldn’t have been cause the rest looks AWESOME)
5) Alice seems all kinds of awesome (ok so the love with Cyrus – potential triangle they’ll probably try to set up with the other guy but I hope not, kinda rules out the Alice – Hatter thing for OUAT someday *sniff* BUT I still kinda love it and have a feeling I’m gonna love Alice/Cyrus – do they have a name yet? lol)
6) Alice wants proof to show her dad she’s not imagining things and she is carrying a little rabbit in her bag? (How cute was the rabbit??)This is why pictures do nothing justice and trailers / getting to hear people talk / seeing them in costume is everything! I admit at first I was like ehh ok whatever when all the casting news kept coming but now I am super excited! It looks amazing, the casting is great etc etc. Can’t wait to see this!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAgree, agree, agree!
Too much crazy stuff has been going on for Snowing to really address either option. We’ve definitely been shown them eyeing Emma & Hook’s interactions though.
Snow probably has a bad taste in her mouth after seeing the way he behaved when he was in present-day FTL with the girls and was all flirty and innuendos and working with Cora, but she’s also the one who is most likely to give people a 2nd chance and hopefully she’ll get a chance while they’re in NL to really SEE the differences and that the rest was just a facade.
As for Charming…I agree, he has more in common with Hook than with Neal and I think ultimately they’ll get along after awhile. Hook went out of his way to try to stop Charming from getting himself killed, not to mention came back to save the town and offer his ship so I think / hope that Charming will give him a fair shot, though he won’t like it much at first.
The problems come in with who knows what and how Emma has portrayed past events. Snow learned as MM that Emma’s relationship with Henry’s father was anything but good and she also got a panicked phone call from Emma after she found Neal in NYC so I think that Snow will (hopefully) remember all of that and realize that Neal isn’t right for her little girl. As to the extent of what she actually knows – no idea. Emma hinted at so many different types of relationships she’s had in the past and all of them were rotten. (Remember when we thought that Henry’s dad was a married guy?)
I’m hoping that the real story comes out at some point. I have a feeling that Hook will probably try to have a heart-to-heart with Emma and find out what Bae got into since he cared for him as a boy. He’d be curious, especially piecing it together that Neal is the one that hurt Emma, and perhaps Snowing and/or one or the other of them could overhear part of that or something (it’s a small ship for that many people so not tons of room for private conversations + you know Snowing aren’t gonna want to leave Emma alone with Hook for long lol).
Hook & Emma have both been hurt by the same person but have known different sides to him, one as a child and one as an adult. I think learning the other side of things will help them piece his story together and help them understand each other as well. Why Hook started to leave before turning around since he once offered something similar to what Emma did and was refused), why Emma locked Hook up the backstalk even though she wanted to trust him all because of Neal…they’ll get each other even more now. Plus I’m sure he’ll be weighing on their minds because of the fact that Neal JUST went through that portal that morning according to Emma. There are 3 people on that ship who at one point in time or another loved NealFire so we’re bound to hear something at some point. Maybe a little CharmingStiltskin family therapy session is in order while they wait to infiltrate wherever Henry is (somebody will be hot-headed and want to go in, probably Emma, and Hook will hold them back and say to wait for ____ and then they can strike, leaving time to kill and conversations to be had. Just a thought.)
Surayya hope you get the video issue straightened out =/ I look forward to seeing what you come up with!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantEEK!
Also, totally agree with you! I watched PaleyFest last night for the first time in ages and I didn’t even pick on the importance of that line! They DID say they considered changing it all because everybody guessed it but they ultimately wanted to use that because it made sense yada yada but yeah why even consider that if that was their original endgame?
The rights to use Hook thing – we may never know *exactly* what they planned on him for in the beginning so when he was introduced in season 2 I’m not even sure how big of a part they originally intended him to play there either. What I do know is, they saw how awesome he was in the Crocodile and then Tallahassee and something just clicked. That something? The perfectness of CaptainSwan, I’m sure of it!
Also that video is just…so incredible. It shows all of the times they have spent together and how they’ve been in similar situations before, even with each other, and still made the right choices now. Plus it highlighted the importance of that bean again! Hook was playing with it over and over when he was at Rumple’s jail cell before really sticking it to Emma for leaving him behind but now they’ve both done that to each other once and it didn’t work out so well before so I love the significance of him staring at the bean and turning around and handing it to her. So full of possibilities.
WE ARE NOT DELUSIONAL – there is absolutely NO reason to show Hook focusing so much on Emma, or coming back for Emma, or showing that bean as super important time and time again to not have this be legit.
Sure Emma has held onto the past: the key chain, the car, but she also may not have had much money and it does serve as a reminder of how she’s been hurt. The key chain she gave back to him right after he basically ignored the fact that she told him she loved him back then and he was all destiny fate whatever, pinocchio told him to do it yada yada. We never did see his reaction to the car and we don’t know if she ever spent any time with Henry in said car before giving him up for adoption so there could be way more sentimental meaning to it than just Neal – we don’t know yet.
But with Hook…the bean…it’s just perfect. Cause he came back for her when nobody else ever has.
Neal waited around for 11 YEARS to NOT come back for her…Hook was gone for a few minutes and turned his ship around to protect her, her family, the ENTIRE TOWN of people who didn’t like him in a matter of MINUTES. Hook knows that the offering of being part of a family with Emma is worth it and he knows what it’s like to let yourself want something that much and lose it so easily. Neal has lost many of the same things that Hook has along the way and he couldn’t do it and never had any intention OF doing it. I’ve always said that if they wanted to go down the SF route they have some MAJOR work to do to get there but after 2×22 I just don’t see how they can convince anybody that CaptainSwan wasn’t their intention at this point. If they change it now it’ll be such a huge slap in the face to the fans and it’ll go against how the show is set up and the importance of everything and the way they tell us stuff.
Therefore….CAPTAINSWAN IS REAL! It may take time, it may have moments of a triangle for a little bit, but CaptainSwan will be together because Hook fights for what he wants or deserves what he gets…and he’s tired of ending up with nothing.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantWith all my CaptainSwan feels and looking around at various videos I was reminded of this quote from last season when MM is scolding Emma in An Apple As Red As Blood. This whole conversation was MM scolding Emma and telling her that she is a better person now than the person that she was and she needs to stop trying to revert back, going so far as to say:
Mary Margaret: “And running is what’s best for him? Or is that what’s best for you? You’re reverting, Emma, into the person you were before you got here; and I thought you’d changed.”
Sure sounds like she doesn’t want Emma to revert back…right?? (Snow currently keeps glaring at Hook but I so want this thrown back in her face when it comes time for Emma to defend her relationship with Hook.)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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