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@steliokontos1 wrote:
Another thing to note Neal is gonna be out of the picture for a while so Emma and Hook are gonna spend a lot of time together we thought they got soft on each other during a trip up a beanstalk what’s gonna happen on an adventure to save her son? So exciting
Agreed on so many levels! I really think that CaptainSwan will at least be super close by the time that Neal is back in the picture whether they’ve had any “romantic” interaction or not. She’ll get to spend time with a man who compliments her, who values all of the good qualities in her, her strength, compassion, bravery etc etc and see that she doesn’t have to be that teenage girl anymore. Neal knew and loved the Emma she used to be but Hook sees the woman that she is now and he appreciates her. He’ll have her back and prove that he won’t go anywhere (thank goodness he came back in the finale or I was gonna lose it!) and by the time Neal gets back she’ll have this whole new outlook on stuff.
I’m sure she’ll be torn a bit and there will be this triangle gutpunch for a little bit but eventually she’ll have a heart-to-heart with Neal and it’ll come around to focusing on Henry. I’m half expecting a tantrum thrown by Neal directed mostly at Hook actually now that we’ve seen his past. I bet Neal will come back and be all happy and then come in at just the wrong time and see Emma being happy with Hook and he’ll be seething (cue end of the episode because nobody in SB can have a moment together without somebody watching them and getting angry) and then later on we’ll see Neal confront Hook. It’ll be something about taking his mother and now he’s not gonna take Emma too and then Emma will have to intervene and say that she decides what’s best for her life and that she’s sorry and doesn’t want to hurt Neal but that over time she realized that the portal was closure for her on the hurts from the past but it was just that: the past.
I say whining and tantrum and all that stuff because we’ve seen it from Neal/young Bae as well as Henry. It’s kind of their thing (though I love them most of the time). I can see Neal reverting back to Bae for a bit in the sense that he sees Hook taking away another woman he loves and feels like he’s being abandoned again but ultimately it will be about him being in Henry’s life and getting his family back (as weird and dysfunctional as it now is).
The portal situation reminded me of Lost when Sawyer jumped off the helicopter. He ended up thinking Kate was dead and fell in love with Juliet who he stayed with, even after Kate eventually returned to the island. Things change over time and that was even without spending years/tons of issues like Emma has with Neal. Just a thought that is giving me a mild amount of hope after listening to the screaming of SF fans saying that CS is dead because of the portal thing.
Also to note something I found amusing and relates to the portal thing because that was taken as such a big thing for SF fans:
Neal may still be alive, but Hook is the one who came back for her. Being alive doesn’t automatically mean end up in the pairing you wanted to be in that you screwed up years ago and have issues to work out to get anywhere now just because of a heart-to-heart when she thought you were going to die.
Apparently on tumblr a lot of people were saying that CaptainSwan can’t happen because Neal is still alive so thought I’d share that little nugget because it’s true: Neal is alive yes, but Hook is the only one who has ever come back for her (other than Henry, hmm she has a good thing with men starting their name with the letter H apparently).
She had to track down her parents, and the only reason Neal is in her life AT ALL is because she owed Rumple a favor. He was never going to come back, evidenced by how much he loved / needed Tamara and planned to marry her. (Now, Tamara may have found a way to force the issue with the Greg / Home Office thing, who knows, but the point is that Neal was never going to come back of his own free will / knowing what he was going back to. In fact the only reason he left NYC is because a) Rumple was badly hurt and he does still love his dad and b) HENRY. Henry is key.)
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI remember seeing something like that too RG. I think they always have a plan and then they see how things are working or aren’t and that was early enough to say wow ok he can do something awesome with this and maybe start writing more and more for him. They wanted Hook around in S1 but then didn’t get him so as much as they pushed to include him, it could have been in a slightly lesser capacity until they saw how incredible it was going to be and knew they had something.
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MysteryKat25Participant@MatthewPaul wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I love her and I loved Red but I honestly don’t know what more they could have done with her story. She got the big reveal of being the wolf, but Child of the Moon was very flat for me and it was clear that they can’t tell much more about Ruby. But I look forward to Intelligence!
Had they not gone through with trying to make her a regular, I think episode 207 would have been much better off continuing from where “Lady of The Lake” left off. You still could have had George take a major presence in the Storybrooke side of the episode, but the flashback could have been Snow and Charming fighting against him and taking back the kingdom. That would have been much more satisfying and would have been better suited for the plot. Meanwhile, George in Storybrooke would have tried getting his revenge in a much more interesting way than framing Ruby for a murder.
I’ll agree with all of this. I love Red / Ruby but once her storyline was over with helping to convince Charming to really take control there wasn’t tons for her to do (though I would have enjoyed seeing her a bit more and I wanted a scene in the finale where Snow is at least shown talking to her and later we can learn that Snow is crushed but she had to ask Ruby to stay behind to protect people etc etc.
I feel like it was one of the teases in adding her to the regular cast and then not using her, but at the same time it was smart on their part to realize what wasn’t working and shake it up (sometimes you’re too far into a storyline and have to just see it out, sometimes you can nip things in the bud (ie: Nikki/Paulo on Lost). I think they realized that the present day FTL stuff was dragging a little and once the girls were back they were a big focus and Meghan is right when you find a huge idea you run with it, so Neverland became an obstacle for her as well.
It’s sad for Ruby and Red but I am so excited that maybe it helped launch Meghan into this new show! I love Josh Holloway (Sawyer from Lost) and it sounds like it has a lot of potential so I look forward to seeing it and her getting more screentime. I think Once is brilliant at finding actors that end up going on to other shows for more screentime (understandable) but absolutely deserve it. I’m happy to hear that she may pop in from time to time and I definitely think she should but character-wise it makes the most sense.
Yes there was a lot of MAP stuff this year as well as Anton and GOAT but all of them were important. I try not to include Hook in that list just because he was always supposed to be there from S1 (grr) but that is a lot of new characters that had to be dealt with as well, though most had some importance (some more than we ever wanted…*sigh* GOAT *screams and kicks*).
Looking forward to S3 (much more hopeful about where it’s going right now than say when S, B, & T was airing…) and also looking forward to catching her new show!
Now if CBS / CW would just announce their schedules so I can see what conflicts with what. :S
I too thought we’d be getting a lot more of taking back the kingdom. Maybe they decided to wait on that to parallel something else at a later date and we’ll still get it eventually. I can see that being a mini-arc (like maybe 2nd half of season 3 if the NL stuff gets wrapped up?) when they can get King George there for a few episodes cause he mostly bounces from show to show and we never really see him in more than an ep here or there for Once. Goodness knows what King George will be up to in SB when the CharmingStiltskins get home so maybe that’s where that could go? I definitely want to see how they got the kingdom back…
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI agree, we really didn’t get much of Red or Ruby after Child of the Moon. She was great and had a lot of screentime in We Are Both but I think with so much hatred going on for the new characters + the length of time getting Snow & Emma out of FTL etc it just kinda collapsed and she was the main casualty.
As much as it’s hated, FTL did force Snow & Emma to have some mother-daughter bonding time and it did wonders for their relationship. Looking forward to seeing what the Neverland trip does for the extended family. With all the talk about how much these characters DON’T talk to each other about stuff, the early episodes of S2 did get Snow & Emma talking and going back to where it all began and coming to some kind of a truce on the pushing it vs pushing away front and they’re closer than ever now. Can’t wait to see how S3 helps with everyone else!
Glad to hear that she still might pop in from time to time so that she’s not completely gone. I was sad to see she wasn’t at the diner with everyone else encouraging Snowing to take charge and handle the situation but I guess that was filming at the same time as her pilot. If she had stayed, I have a feeling we’d have seen a brief scene similar to RumBelle but with Snow talking to Ruby (or perhaps, in the background of the RumBelle scene and then just telling Charming what she did later) asking Ruby to stay behind and protect everyone with her wolf powers. I’m just going to assume that this happened at some point cause I don’t think they would have taken her with them. With how concerned Charming sounded at his reaction to Rumple saying SB wasn’t safe, pretty sure he’d have wanted Ruby to stay and guard it too.
As for the 2 mini-seasons I could see that happening. Wrap up the Neverland storyline before winter and leave us dangling with something else until March. It could also affect the casting. IE: last year Colin was a guest star at the beginning and then a regular for the backhalf, so just because we have the starring list for next season doesn’t mean others (like MRJ) won’t be added later on if their storyline is pushed back a bit more, and it also doesn’t rule out something like Meghan and Emilie where last year in the writer’s room they found more ways to put them into the storyline they were building (or so they thought with Meghan anyway) so there might be more news on that front soon.
I’d rather they waited and then made somebody a 2nd half regular than add somebody else to the starring list that we’ll never really get to see. The ONLY reason that Colin wasn’t in as many episodes as he was supposed to be when his status changed was because of his broken leg so they worked around that. If they do have 24 episodes instead of 12, series regular would mean being in at least 13 of them, so even if somebody else is on recurring guest starring, they could still be around for the whole second half. MRJ was in a lot of episodes this season but it wasn’t over half so don’t panic people! You saw MRJ a lot more consistently in the 2nd half of the season than Colin this year so it doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
I am however thrilled that Colin DID get regular status because maybe it will cut down on all the Hook will die threads since they should hypothetically wrap up the Neverland storyline at the winter break and being a regular means over half the episodes *fingers crossed* – though I mostly just don’t want the panic to start and be a repeat of last year. It got old fast.
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MysteryKat25Participant@Hookian wrote:
Really Snowing paralleling Swanfire. I have never seen it. If anything the couple I see paralleling ST is Milah and Rumple. They’re both tragic stories and there are tons of parallels between them. “You did this because a seer told you to” you did this because Pinochio told you to”
The parallels between CS and Snowing is insane and its FAR from vague, the season finale even had a major parallel. Both Charming and Hook left SB, returned, and reunited and talked first with the woman that made them go back.
Ooo very good point about Milah & Rumple. *adds to the list of couplings to pay close attention to on rewatch*
I think the major thing that people point to for ST/SF with Snowing is the thief thing but that bugs me just because Hook is a PIRATE so that argument doesn’t point in only one direction. It’s been awhile since I’ve paid too close of attention to it because I usually read through it and then type a bunch of stuff, hit delete, and try not to throw things. (I’m sure they feel the same way about us).
I get the appeal of both ships and I understand why people want to ship them, but I’ve been trying to look closely at the technical stuff lately and the parallels and the shots they give us (like with Snow and now Charming taking particular notice of Emma interacting with Hook) etc etc and after actually studying the finale instead of just fangirling over it (which I totally did as well, causing me to miss a lot of key moments / shots the first time around for sure) I feel like there is a TON of reason to hope for this ship. What a difference an episode makes.
Last week all I heard was “haha, CaptainSwan is dead” and this week everywhere I look people are coming up with (mostly) rational arguments, pictures / videos to back up those moments that were important and spoke volumes about the viability of a CaptainSwan pairing. I love my fellow CaptainSwan fans!
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MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Crackpot!
If Peter is working as oracle for someone, what about the Wizard (as in Oz?) He didn’t actually have any magical powers, but maintained the allusion of power through tricks. If he had a secret seer boy who could SEE the future, he might be able to maintain his status as Wizard.
This is really crackpot-y. But if the Wizard travels, via air balloon, to NL and never exits the balloon he could get his “reading” from Peter, go back to Oz where he pretends that he has seen what is coming and uses it to his advantage. Meanwhile back on NL, Peter is allowed to do what he wishes, like ripping boys shadows from them.
As far as crackpot theories go, I like it!
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MysteryKat25Participant@SmallWhiteButterfly wrote:
This is a great idea, MysteryKat I love your analysis, you seem to have a great insight into Emma in particular as a character.
Wow, thanks! *faints*
Loving the explanations people are giving & look forward to more chiming in!
Even if it seems that while our tastes may generally vary, one episode in particular is getting a lot of flack as least favorite (from me as well). Always happy when Oncers can agree on something but poor August. *shakes head*
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MysteryKat25ParticipantSounds good overall and hope it won’t be down long! I think filming does start back in July and isn’t ComicCon in there somewhere too? Maybe early July so it’s up and running and fresh before all of this season’s stuff starts coming in.
Looking forward to seeing it and whatever helps keep it together is a good thing. Love it here! 🙂
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MysteryKat25ParticipantWell that’s…interesting. Good for confirmation though on the uninterrupted runs for each section of it. Like I said it’s a good year to test out the mini-whatevers over break with the Olympics chewing up a lot of attention and I’m all for no breaks. Gonna be a longgg winter though.
So far my viewing schedule doesn’t look too horrendous but I’m waiting on a couple more networks to add their shows and then it’ll probably get crazy but we’ll see. A little bummed that Revenge is still after us cause a) I want to listen to the live podcast so I don’t really help the other show at all since I’m not watching right then and b) they got the 2 hour finale last year and will probably continue to get preference in that slot on finale night if they’re the same night (I don’t see them pushing revenge back an hr to give us a 2 hr finale though I could be wrong). Was kinda hoping after Desperate Housewives had their 2 hr series finale that was over with but since the 10 pm shows keep bombing they go ahead and give the 9 pm show a 2 hr finale (not that I blame them and it’s a good show but…when it’s our turn??)
Kinda sad that the number 24 isn’t set in stone, was hoping it automatically meant 2 extra episodes for our longer wait but maybe that would be a consolation prize if it works out that way! Depends on what they want to do this season but it would also give them 80+ extra minutes to play with, though not in any one episode’s storyline but it could help the end of the season not feel quite so…rushed.
*repeats over and over to convince self: this could be good, this could be good, this could be good*
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MysteryKat25ParticipantYeah I’m a little confused too. I know this season especially will be rough because there HAS to be a longer break thanks to Olympics followed by the pushed back Oscars. That’s 3 weeks right there, not counting the other award shows and winter break.
They must really believe in the spinoff and/or want it to be a longer running show or something cause it should be bridging the gap between the two.
I think if they do split the season right down the middle it’ll be for this year only because of that longer break so that they still have the finale in May (it’s a sweeps month). Otherwise I’m shocked that we might get it in half as usually 7-9 has been the first part with a mini-arc and then the rest of the season follows but if it doesn’t come back til March….ugh!
Now I have another one to get hooked on but that sounds like it should just be a fall thing meaning done before winter break which means….I don’t even know.
NBC does this a lot too where they test out new shows for half a season and then another one comes in to test out in that time slot and if both work then one gets moved. It’s why Revolution had 10 episodes this year and then disappeared til March. Not sure that’s the best way either but we’ll see. Back-to-back episodes for 3 months does sound nice it’s just…that’s such a long break on top of already long breaks!
*tries to breath* So we’d have summer…and then 11 episodes and then a longggg winter and 11 episodes but all would be back-to-back in their section at least…that’s almost 3 months with no breaks per half of the season…I guess I can try to find a way to live with that. I always knew I loved fall and spring a bit more but sheesh! Why are they doing this to me??
*goes to check rest of schedule to see what else is screwy so I can freakout properly later*
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