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MysteryKat25Participant
Keb – all I can say is that I am in awe & keep up the good work!
I keep thinking about going back and focusing on stuff in the rewatches to figure stuff like that out and then my perfectionist / overwhelmed perfectionist sides come out and scream NOOOOOO cause I get halfway through something and then revamp out to do it and with big projects I kinda freak out after awhile.
Not to say I won’t attempt it at some point if I go into major withdrawal (I am planning on going through and doing a rewatch anyway…) but I’m *hoping* to just pick a couple of things to focus on and see the progression of. Not sure I could handle the mountain of spreadsheets! Or at least not if I didn’t come up with a great way to do it early on.
I am very impressed!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI think the awesome thing about the last couple eps of the season is how much they’ve given pretty much all of the characters / ships fans to work with over the summer. We all had moments, we all had big emotional stuff going on. That’s what made it great and it appealed to people. There was a main storyline (Hook-centric) but it also had moments for just about everybody in it that made it feel all-encompassing ship/character-wise. So glad a mostly Hook-centric ep did so well!
I agree that word of mouth over the summer should help it skyrocket again. DVDs, Netflix, etc etc will definitely help as they did last year and people are more likely to get into an established show that they can marathon and know is coming back for sure anyway so knowing season 3 exists people might start watching finally too.
Our mission, should we choose to accept it (and honestly who wouldn’t??) is to continue passing the word along and highlighting the awesomeness.
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MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Emma: So you know Hook?
Neal: It’s a long story. Short version, is this world wasn’t my first stop when I left home.
Emma: No?
Neal: If it was, I’d be a couple hundred years old by now.
You’re right.
*faints*
I think that quote only jumped out at me because I as hyperventilating over the idea of Neverland at the time. Amazed I remembered it that well though!
So…we’re back to the 200+ which varies since Rumple, Hook, and Bae are not the same age so somewhere between 200-250 for all 3 of them…that we know of.
Which leaves Blue as the only character older that we know of yet, though someone in Neverland could still outdate her.
So sometime in the last couple of hundred years (but way more recently than that) Hook and Bae both left Neverland and got around whatever stops you from leaving. BUT it seems like Peter Pan is still running things which means that Hook and/or Bae probably didn’t defeat whatever is controlling Neverland right now since Henry is still being sought out.
Brings up a lot of interesting questions to be answered.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantDid NealFire say a few or a couple? I coulda sworn he said a couple hundred years old but I haven’t studied too many of this season’s eps with that level of detail so I could be wrong.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantLiking all the theories so far! We gotta hold on to something over the break so might as well address some of the more random lines in the show and see what rabbit hole they can lead us down (cause goodness knows, Oncers excel at taking random little things and turning them into huge theories, some of which actually pan out on occasion – pun intended though not originally).
As for KFChimera’s question: Neal said that our world wasn’t his first stop or he’d be a couple of hundred years old. So going off of that, Rumple & Hook are also at least a couple hundred years old. To me a couple means 2 but nothing has been set in stone and sometimes people mean 3 but I think that’s pushing it for when Bae went through the portal so for now let’s say 2 for now.
Going off of that Rumple has to be 200 something and Hook…depends on your line of thinking. If Killian Jones was just a person living outside of Neverland who went off on a ship to travel the world with his fugitive dad who then left him and he stayed outside of Neverland then he is also a couple of hundred years old. Not sure if last night’s episodes changed any minds but I do know some have speculated that he was in Neverland before the whole Milah thing happened, maybe as a lost boy, I’ve seen the Killipan theory floating around etc etc, and then left and grew up. This would explain how he knew exactly where to go to find enough “time” to plot his revenge.
Now, that theory seems to have been knocked out by last night’s events (especially Killipan) BUT it is technically possible that sometime between when he left NL and went back to it that this shadow thing which is apparently under Peter’s control? Or something like that? is now running things, mean that things have changed.
I didn’t quite get that opinion last night and it sounds like this is his first time here but I am hesitant to rule out anything ever with this show until they reallllly give us a reason to because goodness only knows what they’ll do and you know what they say about assumptions…
That being said, as far as the age thing goes, hypothetically Rumple, Hook, and now Bae are 200+ years old. Also to keep in mind, NL time is a bit different and they can go through many days in a single day of ours so it probably seems like even longer than that for at least Hook and Bae. (Also gives creedence to the extreme reaction Bae had at the thought of being turned back to a 14 year old – he was that for so long of course he’s scarred for life! Yikes!)
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI think it was a legitimate moment for Hook. He was asking the questions because he wanted answers sure but I think he really connected with Bae in that moment and it probably made him even more angry with Rumple than he already was because not only had he killed Milah and taken Hook’s hand but he also left his son and chose being the Dark One over him, after ranting at Milah about leaving Bae. It added fuel to the fire in my opinion and I do think that Hook had some sort of sad story like in that his background.
You could tell he had a LOT of emotion going on in this episode. He was much more serious and thoughtful in this ep, studying the picture of Milah etc. Any time he gets like that is because something is getting to him emotionally. The flirtiness / sassiness / pirate swagger is a facade for a very troubled man so this backstory didn’t surprise me at all.
Interesting idea that he and Rumple could be half-siblings. I’m inclined to believe that most fairy tale characters have back stories that are somewhat sad and usually involve parents / abandonment but it’s possible I guess.
As for it making everybody happy but the CaptainSwan people I’m not sure even that would rule out anything. Emma & Hook aren’t related by blood, he never married Milah, she never married Bae and it would just give them another layer to it (like Regina being Henry’s adoptive mother but also his step-great-grandmother). Basically it’s a screwed up family tree so why not add a little more chaos to the mix! (I can see the same being possible with the EvilCaptain stuff too, it adds another layer to the already dysfunctional tree for Regina as well – great-aunt lol).
For right now I don’t see it as him being related but I suppose it would be interesting. Definitely rule nothing out with this show unless they show you a reason to. It would be mildly amusing to have Hook be Bae’s uncle, Henry’s great-uncle but I’m not sure I’d love to see the sibling rivalry taken to a whole new level between Hook & Rumple, especially if it messes with my CaptainSwan pairing in any way down the line but not ruling it out.
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MysteryKat25ParticipantOoo I love that idea! The magic mirror would be perfect and a nice callback to Beauty & The Beast. We’ve seen the majority of their story up to this point play out on screen so the magic mirror is the next step! (They’ve already disposed of Gaston so something else like…the Dark One side will just have to suffice as the enemy and then they can eventually undo that curse and finally find happiness while dealing with everybody else’s problems for once!)
YAY for Emilie’s tweet! Can’t wait to see everything official and all spelled out for us so that everybody can calm down about their characters but we’re 1 step closer for sure!
As for the rest of the wishlist…man, such a long list and so many things have been mentioned already! Here are the things I think we’ll definitely see some aspect to at the very least:
* More Hook backstory – his father, time after Bae left but before Hook got out of NL, and I want some Killian stuff, he was Killian Jones before Captain Hook! Being in Neverland where he probably knows it the best should help us fill in some of these gaps, possibly from his arrival in Neverland the first time and how he learned whatever he learned that is useful now
* Hook & Emma interaction – these two get each other and regardless of whether it ends up romantic or not, they need each other and they will probably end up close no matter what because at this point nobody truly understands either all that well, especially Hook – he needs (at least) a friend, and for the beginning of S3 that’s a good thing to see blossom. Helps his redemption storyline too.
* Lots of good stuff in Neverland – been waiting to explore it for what seems like forever so I want to see more than just the water and the ship (as much as I love the ship)
* RumBelle moments – LOVE the mirror idea!
* Interaction – we’ve got a lot of people who don’t like each other, have things in their history that need to be explored and sending them all off to a different world together will hopefully bring some of that to light and force them to talk
* Neal – obviously he’s alive and needs to find a way back to everyone else so that he can be with Rumple and Henry as those are his main storylines *ignoring shipping wars here, just listing what MUST happen/what we’re likely to learn, not speculating on shipping*
* Emma’s magic – she needs to learn to control it and what it’s capable of; no more of this last minute “oh right I have magic don’t I?” stuff in the future. She’s in a new world and it could come in handy.
* MAP – Phillip’s alive! So how did they defeat the wraith and get his soul back? I want to have an idea of how this happened.
* Maleficent – still need her backstory with Aurora’s mother and then Aurora & Phillip, as well as her frenemy status with Regina. When did they exchange the curses? Why? How did they become friends? Why does Regina have Maleficent guarding everything for her, even in death?
* Snowing – more of them being parents, and less patronizing of Emma from Snow especially. The family is all together now and on a quest to rescue Henry. Work together and be strong, don’t treat Emma like a child while she’s off trying to find HER child.A couple of things that I’d just like to see:
* Pixie Dust
* SwanFire actually addressing their issues instead of sweeping them under the rug so that they can make progress on getting along at least for Henry’s sake, if not actually renewing their relationship (as long as it’s realistic given who they are today and what they’ve been through; I just don’t want it all ignored & Emma reverting back to who she was rather than embracing the person she is today)
* CaptainSwan interaction, starting as friends and blossoming into more
* Emma at least being truly torn between Hook & Neal rather than just ditching Hook for Neal when he comes back (for someone who has been abandoned and knows that Hook has been as well I don’t see her being cruel but I could see her backing off and not wanting to think about any of it for awhile while goodness knows what else is happening and Hook being understanding while Neal will probably whine a bit – I swear he & Henry are more alike every day and I love both of these guys as children! I do!) *refers back to SF actually talking stuff out wishlist item, especially since up until the last minute Neal was still defending / in love with (he was truly shaken and upset with her confession and wanted to know how much of it was a lie/had an extreme reaction to it) / gonna marry Tamara til she shot him*
* More HAPPY RumBelle moments, they’ve been through so much already
* Anton & the dwarfs all together now that Sneezy is back
* Granny with her crossbow
* Home Office stuff – we’ve gotta find out sometime soon right? (I hope this doesn’t drag out forever…though I like the idea of our 3 semi-reformed villains making peace long enough to fight something that requires all of them (it was nice to see Emma & Regina work together to save SB!)
* Mermaids! There have been tons of mentions about them, especially very recently with the Neverland stuff so we are in definite need of mermaidsI’m sure I’ll think of lots more the closer we get and the more rewatches that happen cause there are a lot of threads still dangling from earlier stuff but these are the things off the top of my head right now
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI agree that Smee is now a rat, I just meant that sometime when he was still in NL on the ship he may have procured some pixie dust for them and it could still be there.
I agree that the CGI could use some work so hopefully if they do this it will be done well. I like the idea that maybe pixie dust is a way around things like setting foot on land / leaving. I’m very curious as to how Bae and Hook left (we know that Smee was dragged out with the curse). Hmm, wait a sec…did we figure out Neal’s age for sure and does it have any correlation to when the curse happened? It should have been close at least so Bae either left shortly before the curse happened (in which case we’re back to how / why then since he was there for so long) and if it’s not then possibly Bae was dragged out by the curse as well as Smee which means how did Hook leave?
Hook didn’t suggest that there would be a way back last night but we only really saw the RumBelle part of that idea I think. Rumple’s whole thing was not being able to find Storybrooke again because he was asking Belle to cloak it but it sounds like he’s been to NL before or has at least encountered whoever’s in charge so…he should have gotten out too but he was the Dark One so maybe had some way out. Ahh so many ideas but I love the pixie dust idea for everybody else (Rumple hates fairies but I still think he went to Neverland to deal with mermaids / squid ink and if he knows who’s in charge then that pretty much confirms that he at least went right?)
ROFL at the idea of Rumple flying especially! I think the rest could probably handle it but Rumple would certainly be comical. Either that or he’d be totally awesome at it and blow everybody else away. Can’t decide which really. It relates to magic so he’d probably be great and it would be a great anti-parallel to when he was in the airplane which was clearly not his favorite way to travel. Rumple trusts in magic more than science after all. (Though I’m not sure, he may also have an issue with flying in general – who knows).
So…pixie dust should be used somewhere. As far as we know, you’re not supposed to set foot on land in Neverland, and we’re in agreement that if they’re gonna fly hopefully the CGI stuff is better. Did I miss anything?
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI too was hoping to see her in the diner! I felt like when they got on the ship there needed to be a heart-to-heart between Snow & Ruby, asking her to stay behind and guard everyone. For now, in my head Ruby is with Granny and Belle and the dwarfs and Anton and Archie and that they are taking care of things on the SB front.
I think we may see Anton at some point because Jorge Garcia’s show wasn’t picked up (guy can’t catch a break, Alcatraz was awesome but cancelled, now the pilot he was on didn’t get picked up) but I love Anton so I’d be happy to see him working with them again. Would have been nice to see him hanging out with the dwarfs though. I was happy they got to celebrate getting Sneezy back but that doesn’t mean that Anton should get kicked out!
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MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Once your feet touch land you’re not supposed to be able to leave NL, right?
I think Peter LET Bae leave because he had to father Henry, Peter has the gift of sight.
How Hook left NL…I have NO idea. I’m sure that’ll be a story for next season
I just posted a theory relating to the not touching land thing in the general S3 stuff (please move to wherever RG, I still haven’t figured out where some of my stuff fits just right if it’s starting a new thread!) but I think it’ll lead to some interesting storyline. I feel like they set up a lot of awesome NL stuff for next year because there are definitely some gaps to be filled in and obstacles to overcome.
I like the idea that Peter has the gift of sight but at the same time I’m wondering if he’s just as bad at reading the signs as Rumple is. He could have let Bae go so that Henry would eventually exist but at the same time why keep searching for boys for so long?
I guess maybe he wasn’t sure which one, just that at some point one would show up and he’d have to send him to the right version of our world in order to meet up with Emma etc and then that still leaves lots of questions about how/why Peter has these powers, how he got so many people to work for him including people who have major issues with magic, and what’s so special about Henry. I still think it has something to do with Rumple’s undoing moreso than Henry being special in some other way. He’s the boy who was in the prophecy to be Rumple’s undoing and if Peter has seeing powers like Rumple then he would probably know this. ALL ROADS LEAD BACK TO RUMPLE.
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