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MysteryKat25Participant
Agreed, I’m trying to stay hopeful because I believe 100% that nothing has been definitely confirmed that knocks anything out. And then there’s that scene. THAT SCENE. His one line and that look…it goes back to my point about Tallahassee when he says something about what you want or need (I need to rewatch and remember, he distracts me so much!) is right in front of you and then walks right in front of her.
I have all summer to figure it out though! I refuse to let the ship go down that easily when nothing has been shown about WHY Henry was wanted. They’ve set up TOO much and hinted at too much for me to give up so easily and there would be no point in having it if they lay out something that smashes it right off the bat. And we are NOT delusional. Not giving up until they give me a reason to.
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantI’m torn and need to rewatch times a million.
I think…we’re all being jerked around again so much!
DO NOT KEEP READING IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THE FINALE!!!!
In the livechat people were saying “take that CaptainSwan fans” & that Hook will now ship SwanFire…I'm not ok with this! I'm happy for the relationship between Hook & Bae which I definitely need to study – he seems to feel very guilty about Bae in the past. He spent the episode looking at Henry like he realized the similarities and then he questioned Emma about it and the look on his face…oh Hook! So many feelings right now.
I see why some might say he'd ship SwanFire in the future but I think he may be more *tolerant* of SwanFire if that happens for a bit and if he does step back, then someday his own advice is going to slap him in the face and he'll realize that he's not fighting for her because he feels guilt toward Bae but I think we've still got a legit shot because of that one scene – I need to find it – where he tells Emma that you have to find something new to live for. THAT screamed CaptainSwan to me.
I think we'll definitely get a lot of CaptainSwan moments of interaction next season and it'll be interesting to see how long everybody believes Neal to be dead. That could impact things along the way too and make both Emma & Hook feel a little guilty about things when he returns but ultimately could still end up together as they will have feelings for each other by then.
Right now I'm thinking the Dawson, Joey, Pacey love triangle from Dawson's Creek where Dawson & Joey were together, broke up, he tells Pacey to look after her which he does more out of loyalty to Dawson than caring about Joey and then he fell in love with her and they had off / on stuff for awhile and lots of guilt because of Dawson but they ended up together so *fingers crossed*
The only thing that REALLY concerns me right now is why is Henry the wanted boy? If they spell out that he is the product of true love the triangle is officially dead regardless of what beautiful scenes we might get in the meantime because that's a done deal in this show. I'd like to think they wouldn't jerk us around like that because they've hinted at SO much stuff for CaptainSwan but I am *slightly* concerned about it…I hope its just because he's got a LOT of very powerful magic in his blood…not that he is in fact the product of true love. *sigh*
SO MANY FEELINGS RIGHT NOW! *must analyze and come back to it*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantGood points KFChimera 🙂
Now on to the sad news…I got a response from Keck about the finale interviews…
“there was confusion about this on twitter. I interviewed both about finale and I’m a proponent of CaptainSwan, but no scoop”
Not sure how to embed the tweet on this site *sigh* (SOMEBODY PLEASE TEACH ME??) but I guess…he did technically say he interviewed them but there wasn’t enough space in the article / must not have been too important for right now, and he agreed with the person asking him about it regarding shipping CaptainSwan (at least we have one interviewer in our corner!) but if there wasn’t enough space and once again it didn’t feel “relevant” to the finale I guess maybe it’s something to look forward to later on? *sigh*
I’m sure with everything we’ve seen so far they can’t really say tons anyway and they don’t know anything yet regarding season 3 but maybe come time for ComicCon there will be more stuff / once the show is back we might get more hints. For now we should enjoy all the hints that the actors are perfectly fine with the idea (watch PaleyFest and tell me that most of those people don’t ship it lol – Ginny got very into character but I’d like to think even Snow would eventually understand).
A lot of it should depend on where the characters stand after tonight. For instance in interviews that were out before the finale, they couldn’t really talk about Neal’s fate other than to say what it looked like to us at the time. If they do show Neal in anyway being alive after going through the portal, then they could say something about that in a future interview. They just don’t want to spoil anything right now and I get that (even if I am bummed that people keep deeming CS irrelevant to the finale when I don’t think they will be).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Interesting question and I’m starting to think that kidnapping Henry is more out of necessity than any real thought out plan which wherever GOAT end up, they very well could be stranded and without any of their scientific advancements, maybe placing them back on equal footing with the CharmingStiltskins.
I like that idea! My thing about all of this is just like last year. Why on Mother’s Day for the big emotional finales?? Last year they made us think that Henry could be dead, this year GOAT are kidnapping Henry. I seriously don't think that we'll get back to him in this ep, I think they'll be on the Jolly Roger to go after him, but I think sadly it will be one of the cliffhangers, the launch of a rescue mission.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantPriceofMagic – yay! (and it’s totally legit to love more than one ship on the show. I love RumBelle and Snowing too, just not to the same level yet that I love CaptainSwan – probably has something to do with the inevitability of them vs the gutwrenching question marks that CS has but I do love more than 1!)
I just noticed something. When Cora confronts Hook about what happened at the base of the beanstalk and asks him who bested him he says “The Swan girl. Emma”…he calls her swan a lot of the time but when he talks ABOUT her he has to say her name. The fact that he used both when talking to Cora (and her instincts causing her to say “You chose her” tells me that she noticed it just as much as I did. He made a point of saying her name!!! When you avoid the name you’re not quite as obsessed in my opinion, but when you can’t help but bring up their name in conversation (even if you’re bitter about being bested and left behind…) it shows something. He couldn’t just say “Emma bested me” or “The Swan girl bested me.” It was “The Swan girl: Emma”…he said it twice basically, like he didn’t want to have to say that it was her, not because he was embarrassed at being bested (especially after he was so enticed by it when he realized she was a challenge and he likes challenges…didn’t even seem to care too much that he was tied to a tree as long as she eventually saved him from it lol), but that he didn’t want to believe that she had done that to him!
Cora keeps a watchful eye on everything he does after that (though he does try to kill her or part ways with her a couple of times) and even she notices it! She uses it to literally put words into Aurora’s mouth because she can tell they come from some place real and let’s face it, the best lies always are.
I don’t want to play favorites between Rumple & Cora on their ability to see things but Cora definitely saw what we see in Hook with regards to how he feels about Emma. It’s just obvious.
Rumple hasn’t seen that side of Hook and has reasons to hate him etc, so of course he wants Emma back with his son so that they can all be happy. He was right in telling Neal that he didn’t need to meet Tamara because she wouldn’t be staying around long because Neal is still in love with Emma and until he’s not, he can’t give his heart to someone else. That’s all true. However, Rumple’s seer powers are as unreliable as Emma’s superpower so it has to be taken with a grain of salt and his point of view: I seriously doubt he wants Hook around Henry and he wants Bae to be happy. Cora was just observing what was in front of her and almost killed Hook because she truly believed he was on Emma’s side now – he had to do outrageous things just to stay alive and STILL kept trying to part ways with Cora.
This is a man focused on revenge and he has not once acted out because Emma left him up there. He’s done what he’s had to in order to survive but leaving himself as many loopholes as possible to undo the damage at later date. There is goodness still in him (regardless of Belle’s skewed view – she sees Phillip in the Yaogui & Rumple in the Dark One but she is biased against anybody who hates her man, even when he has just cause to do so because Rumple is once again leaving out key details in what he tells Belle – not that I blame her and I admire her loyalty & spunk)
I need Hook to tell Emma about the swordfight and that he was really planning on going with them. I need that so badly! Looking forward to seeing Hook working alongside Charming – Emma better be a big part of making that happen – I think she will be, otherwise there's no way Charming would trust Hook.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25Participant@Surayya wrote:
Is it just me or does Hook’s voice & tone change when he notices her hand is cut? (seems to speak in a softer more concerned tone than usual) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmnkadQHQpw&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Even on the way up the beanstalk during their heart to heart (ok if we’re honest- Hook’s prying..aka observations of Emma 😉 lol), his tone was harder, more clipped & self interested/closed off – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRnvL2UEvn4
There is a distinct difference to me – Of course that could just be me reading much more into it than there really is 😉
I agree completely! On the way up he was perceptive and prying but then he got all concerned that she was hurt and insisted on helping (what pirate would waste his rum on just anyone? I mean really…anybody else would have been on their own for sure).
Thanks for the clips! It reminded me of a few of my Tangled parallels from yesterday:
1) SATCHEL…Hook goes to great lengths to catch his satchel over the portal in Queen of Hearts to return Aurora’s heart & Flynn has to go down the tree branch to get it before he and Maximus fall but more importantly…
2) THE HAND WRAP!!!!! – Rapunzel has magic hair and wraps it around Flynn’s cut hand to heal him! (Ok so it’s reversed here cause Flynn is usually Hook but it’s still a parallel)
This video (not mine) shows the hand wrap scene. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAeLk0FO7Q
(Love this scene!) Pay close attention to the lyrics of the hair magic song: “change the fate’s design” – see, it can happen whether Rumple, Bae, etc etc believe in fate or not. We’ve already seen Belle say that she decides her own fate…I don’t see Emma putting up with this fate stuff much. She’s still not completely comfortable with being the Savior because she feels like she let people down when she was stuck in Rumple’s old cell etc. She’s still skeptical about anything relating to fate and destiny. Just because some characters believe doesn’t mean the rest have to and Emma is independent and strong.
The hand wrap scene also has Flynn giving his background as Eugene…bring on some Killian backstory!! I want a scene like this with CaptainSwan someday!
3) Rapunzel’s DREAM was always to go see the lanterns, that was it. She spent her entire life dreaming of it because they are lit up and released every year on her birthday and she thinks it’s beautiful. She eventually gets it but then needs a new dream…Flynn becomes her new dream, just as she becomes his (he’s over stealing, wants the girl). HELLO CAPTAINSWAN. Just because 1 dream has been the whole life so far for Emma to have her family back and for Hook to get revenge doesn’t mean they can’t have another dream.
This vid (not mine) shows a lot of the new dream stuff starting around the :55 part when she starts talking about how long she’s been dreaming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Jzq49Jvlo
4) There’s various other things (getting knocked out, tied up, lost princess being reunited with her parents & learning who she is etc etc) but the flower thing – Aurora was born with magic because of it and it has healing powers, glows brightly when used etc etc. Emma has a flower tattoo on her wrist that has yet to be explained (it’s an Emma thing, not a JMO thing – she doesn’t have any) and her magic she was born with and has a brightness to it as well. Just something fun I noticed with all the flower things going on in Tangled because we still don’t know about Emma’s tattoo.
It would be kind of awesome (but they would have me FREAKING OUT of course) if they try to make us think that Hook is dead at some point or near death but then Emma is able to heal him with her magic that she hasn’t quite figured out yet. They’ve written Emma in such a way that she fits into the fairy tale world of stories very well and we know from stories like Beauty & the Beast as well as Tangled that sometimes magic, tears, I love yous etc etc have power (and we saw Emma wake up Henry with it too so not again any time soon and not from a sleeping curse if it ever happens to Hook – I’d rather it be a wound of some kind that she is able to heal because she loves him so much and can’t let him die). It would surprise her with the level of magic but it would be a beautiful scene at some point wayyyy in the future too (I could totally see them try to make us freak out for real given all the crazyness that was this year).
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantKFChimera – I watched it earlier and saw that too (I think they were trying to say it was Hook without actually going so far as to say it but that part always cracks me up!) There are so many CS things that relate to Tangled. I took notes earlier and will report back later (took notes to figure out a vid for later hopefully).
Jasmine – Yep that was me (I’ll happily take credit for getting Princess Bride juices flowing again too! I plan to rewatch sometime soon, haven’t seen it in what feels like ages now!)
Gonna see how WMM does first just because I already have it so it’s free. Not sure how much I’ll be making vids etc but I certainly have ideas for a couple right now!
I COMPLETELY agree on the trying not to crush on married celebrities too much. It’s super hard sometimes though! But in this case, at least it directly links in to the show rather than just us swooning because he can play piano. Hook plays piano in most versions so it’s totally legit to love that right now….right? *looks innocent*
Even though Colin said he had to leave his band in one of the recent interviews, that blurb is still up in the bio section of his band so I would like to think they’re still being super supportive and it definitely sounds like they want Hook to get Emma! With wording like that how can you think otherwise? <3 it!
Good luck with your project Jasmine!
If the vid thing doesn’t work out for me maybe we can feed your vid editing muse and my fanfic muse instead!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantWell he does in the Disney movie so though I doubt we’ll ever see that side of him on OUAT…but we could because Colin can actually play! They had Jack play one on Lost and he was their overall hero who got the girl even though I prefer Sawyer *coughs and moves on* so it could be totally random but still fun. It could even be unexpectedly brilliant since Colin can do all of that himself.
Also…I tweeted again asking (still haven’t heard anything) and I went and read through Keck’s page and I’m really not sure how to take what we’re seeing. Is there actually an interview coming out? Or was their stuff side-lined for lack of space in the other interview but he did talk to them so he’s teasing us and leaving us with just the line about them with the supposed to be or whatever it was.
It’s bad enough we know there’s other stuff out there that was deemed “irrelevant” to the finale because they assume that any CaptainSwan news we want is romantic and their idea of romance clearly sucks because any interaction they show feeds us something to work off of and obviously too much is happening in the finale and too much happened last week for CS to start and be blatantly obvious that they’re together in a romantic way right now.
*shakes fist at the people deciding what is relevant when we want news*
I WANT THE INTERVIEWS GOSH DARN IT. I want to see what THEY said teasing their scenes together. grrr
On the plus side every time Colin is asked about his interaction with Emma it always comes back to how much of kindred spirits they are, they share a connection, there are sparks etc etc. *tries to breathe*
Is it tomorrow yet? I know we’re just one sleep away from it and all but I need the ep…in the meantime I will settle for the interview if we ever get our hands on it. >.<
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAs seen on tumblr (which I am loving but still getting used to):
http://captain-guyliner.tumblr.com/image/50193931800
We know that Colin said in an interview the other day that he’s had to leave the band *sad for him, happy for Hook fans* but it’s a lovely little blurb about him on their website apparently (his band is called The Enemies) and…
1) It looks like the band is supportive of him / CaptainSwan!
2) HE CAN PLAY PIANO…Not only can he sing and do a million other things wonderfully that send us all into swooning territory like play guitar etc etc but he can play PIANO which means…..
HE IS THE PERFECT GOOD VERSION OF CAPTAIN HOOK.
Hook in versions that I can think of right now plays piano. The guy who got the girl on Lost played piano. Hook could sometime try and woo Emma by showing a softer, more sentimental side and play piano and it would make total sense within the OUAT world because Hook is known for playing piano!
*adds to fanfic list of muses*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat25ParticipantAgreed LaurieAnne, I think that season 3 will have the core members all together and it will make for some very juicy stuff. Last year allowed Snow & Emma to do some mother-daughter bonding that was necessary and it allowed Charming & Henry to bond as well, but this coming season we have so many family connections / recent revelations that turn everything on its head so I can’t wait to see all of them have to work together! Should be interesting depending on what they have to face (you know it’s not going to be easy, I seriously doubt we’d get them getting in to NL, getting Henry, and getting back home to SB in 1 ep.
They may *find* Henry early on, but then somebody else may end up taken or there’s something they have to defeat or they have no way of getting back for some special reason for a bit or they discover the Neal is alive and in FTL (no idea how just yet but let’s say they do) and that stops them from trying to get back to SB and they struggle with getting back to the EF instead etc etc. Whatever it is, they’re going to be together as a group off in some other world battling who knows what to reunite the family since it’s missing 2 members right now.
Especially with all of the casting news right now, I think leaving SB for a bit is a good thing because they won’t have to explain why people aren’t being seen episode after episode after episode.
Their series “regulars” this year didn’t get as much screentime as I presumed they would being given regular status (Colin’s broken leg probably didn’t help matters but we didn’t see tons of Ruby after episode 7 either…) so I hope that when they give that status out for S3 that it means a bit more.
It should be Emma, Henry, Snow, Charming, Regina, Rumple, Belle, Hook, & Neal. Nobody else unless they’re planning on a very long, over half the season, arc for somebody else. With everybody we’ve seen that has new shows, and with the core cast being out of SB for who knows how long (probably til winter break again or something), I just don’t see who’s left to be a series regular, at least not until the second half of the season.
I’m sorry to see so many departures but I think it’ll tighten things up for the core cast and allow those actors to get more work that hopefully gives them more screentime (they definitely deserve it). Hopefully once we get back to SB we’ll see more of the dwarfs since they and Granny and Blue are really the only ones left there that we know. Sidney is tied up in the basement indefinitely (he’s on Revolution) and King George pops in once in a blue moon so maybe we can get more stuff on the rest.
Really surprised they gave us so many sneaks so early. Last year there were only 3 and the last one came about 3 hours before the finale started so keep your eyes peeled just in case, though I’m not sure they’ll give us anymore or not. They must have some MAJOR jaw-dropping moments since they’ve teased so much stuff already (sneaks, interviews, etc etc) and you KNOW they’re going to do something at the last minute to knock our socks off.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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