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SO SO SO MANY FEELINGS RIGHT NOW!
I’ll start with the actual CS news that is exciting / confusing!
CS was spotted filming in the woods today for 3×14. Not sure what that means exactly…but they were definitely filming together and in the woods. Actual quote from a VanCity tweet: “They [CaptainSwan] were in the woods filming, then wrapped and came out.” No idea the context for any of this but they were filming together and apparently in the woods! He also clarified that it was for 3×14 so they’ve definitely started filming that!
OUATIW (which is relevant because part of the same world / writers / etc.). If you haven’t watched tonight’s episode don’t read!
For those who watch Once Upon A Time in Wonderland as well…I think you’ll have some ideawhy I reallllly loved tonight’s episode. Tons of parallels, true love, showing how it SHOULD look, LOTS of things that are reminiscent of CS and as always, Cylice language makes me think of CS but it was the Cylice actions tonight that make me so happy that this is coming from the same people because it can’t be a coincidence.
Preface: NOT TRUE OF ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE PERSON – just something I noticed. It amuses me to no end that with the different characters / circumstances, people are…opposite shipping over there? I’ve noticed a lot of CSers are Cylice fans even though we love Knave and a lot of SFers are either Knalice fans or are at least adamant that Will not take Ana back ever and want him with someone else.
Lots of wonderful wonderful things tonight from Cylice about sacrificing TO BE TOGETHER (sacrificing a compass no less, hello Snowing and CS parallel), being told to leave someone behind and NOT DOING IT, etc etc. Lots of beautiful true love stuff and yay for them being reunited! (It just gave me a ton of CS feels and I’m not the only one if tumblr is any indication. If they feel that way about things on this show, I can’t imagine they don’t feel the same way about TL on the main one and those were definitely the vibes I was getting tonight.)
(Moment of absolute honesty: I did panic for a second. I kept reminding myself that they were together so whatever he did was undone before he went off the cliff but I was absolutely terrified for a moment that he was going to do what he was told to do and leave her for her own good and then he didn’t and I breathed a huge sigh of relief. I just have never read that as an interpretation of TL on the main show nor how Emma feels about it. To Emma, it has ALWAYS meant being together and that’s true for all the other couples as well, better off together than apart and miserable).
So I saw a lot of positive CS stuff in tonight’s episode (as well of course as yay for Cylice being reunited! Love them and thank goodness for an actual canon couple so I don’t have to worry about shipping on that show. Now to make sure my Will is happy and all will be well).
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Gorgeous!!! I was thinking about trying to do something like that but I am not very good with it and haven’t had a chance to try. Still trying to find the perfect icon/sig banner to put together but that makes me so happy to see even if it’s not real! THAT is the story I actually “believe” in!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
So many beautiful things here! I don’t visit often but I LOVE the idea of them together and can’t wait to see them actually spend time together! Already in love with it and it’s only better when the pics don’t have to be manipulated at all to be real! (Though they are GORGEOUS!) Love the BTS shot of the actors. So adorable together! Can. Not. Wait!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
This year’s was March 12th I think and the show is coming back on March 9th so…it could be right around the time between 3×12 & 3×13 maybe if it doesn’t happen right before 3×12 comes back. And a lot will have happened in the meantime to perhaps change a few peoples minds *cough* Ginny & Josh *cough* about CS!
“Starts?!?” will always be one of my favorites. We know how JMO feels about ships and she was pretty consistent especially after Manhattan aired which was around that time. She’s just a bit more subtle now after things got super crazy over the hiatus. (She thought the ILY was rushed but went with it. Every time I see her look remotely uncomfortable in character has to do with Neal where I can almost see the gears turning like “but WHY do I have to feel that way?” and then going with it and it making sense later on which I’m sure is a relief. I definitely felt that way with her emotional breakdown in Nasty Habits but then the echo cave felt very real and I think she connects more to that stuff. She’s been pretty on point with where Emma’s head is though and it echos (no pun intended) what we’ve been saying all along.
She’s the one that has to be in Emma’s headspace and make sense of all of it and ask the questions about how her character is feeling which means she knows one thing and others know something else. (For example: Ginny was very vocal about how much she didn’t like the idea of CS back when there wasn’t as much to see – for some – and they quickly shot her down thank goodness and I think she’s coming around a bit more, but to be in Snow’s headspace – she can’t see this as something incredible that will make her daughter happy. She’s stuck on her own love story). So it’s different for different people but JMO especially should know what Emma’s going through and her stuff has been consistent with what we’ve said through and through on the big stuff (some headcanons pan out, others don’t but for the stuff we’ve actually seen, we usually interpret it the way that she talks about it *high fives & cookies all around*)
I hope we see a lot more shifts in attitude by the time PaleyFest rolls around! Josh seems more on board with Emma+Happiness, Ginny has backed way off on the CS hate, I think we’re shifting into “this is a very real possibility and could be a good thing” territory where “if it makes her happy and it seems like it does then it’s not a bad idea” – I could totally be wrong and the actors are always allowed to have their own opinions even when they conflict with what A&E want to do, but it makes sense for them to have been very weary of Hook at PaleyFest time last year. This year they’ve bonded with him a bit more and we’ll see what they’ve had to work with until that point to see if any other major shifts have happened.
After all, it wasn’t that long ago that Jared insisted that his parents had to end up together and now he’s on team neal but likes Hook too….baby steps. (Though I did really love Ginny focusing on something that ultimately doesn’t matter even if it is an annoying connection and watching A&E fall all over themselves to protect our beautiful ship!) SO many good memories from PaleyFest I can’t wait to see what happens this year! (Especially with lotssss of good CS moments already and hopefully teases of more to come!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@rumplegoldfan – Agreed a million times over. The people who see this stuff are the ones who are already invested in it. You’d think they’d know by now how VICIOUS the shipping wars have been and to do that right before a hiatus is just cruel. There are so many ways they could have handled it well and balanced all season and they didn’t which reeks of jerking people around or trying to make it seem like there’s more to it than there is when they haven’t bothered to do that all season when they easily could and should have.
I’ll be so happy when it’s a done deal and we can put it behind us. I want to enjoy the pretty graphics and love what I’m seeing, not be constantly told I’m wrong or stupid for not being ok with a woman as strong as Emma going back to a situation like that. (I really don’t think he’ll be like that next time around with whoever, but there’s just too much for me to actually root for Emma to go back.)
All these things do is drum up shipper wars even more than ever and near a hiatus as;jfdls *screams* – it was bad enough being called delusional and having to bank on Adam saying that we DID have “canon romantic moments” in S2 (which we’ve been saying ALL ALONG) and then having to wait alllll summer of them saying triangle triangle triangle but then Adam saying not really a triangle and US all say that it’s her past (which she HAS to deal with) and her future which she is moving toward like Regina and Hook and everyone else we’ve seen this season. It’s been a BIG theme. We even started it off with Mulan paralleling Neal and her finally going to say something only to realize she was too late and the 3rd wheel of a TL couple. I think Neal will come to that realization soon (I hope they don’t drag that out forever), and that he will be on the lookout for his 2nd chance at love with someone else (preferably after taking time to actually DEAL with the Tamara & Emma feelings cause nobody deserves to play 2nd fiddle to one relationship, much less 2). Look at how long it’s taken Regina to deal?
So excited that we will be getting some OutlawQueen! LOVE that pic that Sean posted! Gives me hope that 2nd half we’ll be getting the start of Regina & Robin Hood (and hopefully sightings of adorable little Roland!) so that somebody is finally starting to move forward instead of regressing backward during their redemption arc. Regina had a long way to go but she’s make decent strides! Rumple’s doing pretty good too as is Hook for the most part so it makes sense they’re using big new villains to make up for that. It’s about time our core characters completed their redemption arcs (remember, believe a pirate can be a hero!) and can move forward finally. I feel like this season has been all about embracing/facing the past and moving forward so that makes me very happy and I hope that at some point by the end of S3, we have at least an idea of who that person would be for Neal too. Again I want some time before that but I don’t want him sad and hurt forever either (just a reasonable amount of time to deal with losing Tamara and then Emma. I’m sick of everything being swept under the rug and then put on Emma’s shoulders to fix.)
I will be AMAZED at this point if people don’t hate her like they hated Milah. (I don’t even like Milah and she was the first love of my favorite guy!) She hurt Rumple and was cruel to him but he eventually found Belle and that’s what we have to hold on to!
I don’t understand the point of shipping (and actually being invested in said ship) if you don’t like both characters and see something good in them. It’s easy to be UPSET with what a character does even if you love them (it’s hard to make excuses for some of the stupid stuff any of our villains have done), but to outright hate them for something doesn’t make sense to me. It’s something I love about CSers – we defend Emma AND Killian and fight for them. I feel like a lot (not all, esp around here but a lot) of Neal fans love SF because it will make Neal happy but don’t always think about what might make EMMA happy and so far, she hasn’t seemed happy with him being back all that much, and she definitely didn’t really want to set up a time to talk much less when she figured out he likely wanted it to be a date. She’s tried so many times in different ways to say and show she’s not interested, but she MUST BE because Neal has been through so much! (They all have.) It just bugs me.
It is not Emma’s responsibility to make every single person happy. She can try, but she will fail miserably and fall apart/burn out quickly (which we’re already seeing a little bit of). As a huge Emma fan first and foremost, I want what makes HER HAPPY and so far I’m just not seeing that with Neal (on top of not understanding why I should root for her to go back to the cause of all her problems to begin with as if they never happened). Just because characters are being more forgiving of past actions by others (example: Snow thanking Regina for helping so much, everyone calling each other “family” etc etc), doesn’t mean that in a romantic relationship that has to mean going back and trying again. Trust is incredibly important and once that trust is broken those questions linger whether you want them to or not which makes it easy to be uncomfortable and never quite at ease.
I do think she’s in a good spot overall (minus the jealousy thing but I think that will be straightened out shortly as well as hopefully everyone PUSHING her – her words). She knows she’s loved, she’s found her family, and she finally has some answers. Things happened the way they happened and, like her feelings, she can’t change them. She doesn’t hate him. She’s already admitted that she’ll probably always love him because he was her first love and gave her Henry. She’s happy that he’s in Henry’s life now and they need him to be. She’s made peace with him being there and he’s not quite the monster she always thought he was when she believed he set her up (and she had every right to feel that way since he TRIED TO LEAVE HER and she was the one who insisted that no, in order to be together, she had to be the one to fight for it and try). She has moments where she seems happy he’s around….for Henry. This goes completely along with what JMO has said from the start. (I really really miss her Manhattan interviews. For all the “romance” that that episode was supposed to evoke according to shippers, all I saw was everything she said and then some. So yes please, more episodes that parallel them to Milah/Rumple. And then the fandom can hate Emma for breaking Neal’s heart and it’ll be soooo much fun. Ugh)
At this point I’m just beyond burnt out. There’s only so many times we can say the same things and they still get ignored. Just because they spend time together or are reunited doesn’t make it a good shipper moment (see NY & echo caves). So I’m not worried. It goes against everything we’ve seen. I trust JMO to know her character and the fact that so far she’s been saying the same things that we have is important. She’s said countless times this season that Hook is being SELFLESS rather than SELFISH etc etc. She praised him a LOT and nobody believes that Emma sees anything remotely redeemable in him. Doesn’t matter how many times his stuff mentions him as a hero or they outright show he’s on a “hero’s journey” which TAKES TIME. So beyond done with that.
I can’t wait for them to actually be able to say what they’ve been dying to say for ages. A&E (& JMO really) were SO not good at hiding their emotions at PaleyFest last year. I’m sure this has been building for awhile (they’ve all said they knew what was coming when Colin and Michael were hired….) and that they’ll be as happy as we are when they can talk about that in depth and defend that choice. It’ll be like David Anders finally being allowed to discuss how much he loved getting to play Frankenstein! (Can you imagine how giddy A&E will be when they DON’T have to hide it anymore?)
Seriously can’t wait for PaleyFest this year. It should have some good stuff and I really really hope their poker faces forget to show up again! (And that they’re allowed to tell us a little more!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Me too Heather! I’m really annoyed that a lot of things are being glossed over because everything’s fine “now” – certain things should be acknowledged even if they have been put in the past! The Graham thing in particular is infuriating because it was supposedly cut from something a long time ago. It’s been TWO YEARS and we still don’t have her saying it. *sniff* (There are lots of other things too but it annoys me with all of them)
I do think it’ll be something about the curse though, more than likely.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
This is exactly the kind of article that drives me bonkers. All it did was take bits from lots of different places with no personal frame of context and slapped it all together. We just don’t know what’s going on yet. The entire fandom is confused and coming up with tons of ideas and they’re just trying to get hits and sound important but it’s all the same source stuff we’ve had for ages, namely very confusing pictures. Pretty sure they have no idea who Bex is playing and I’m also pretty sure she’ll be the wicked witch so don’t worry.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@CaptainEala – *claps* I wish I had seen that before I rambled! Absolutely brilliantly written and well-done!
There’s just so many positive things in that post I wouldn’t know where to start but will say I absolutely adored the point about how JMO has said that Emma hasn’t found that yet. We have Snow telling Charming she didn’t have a home until she met him. We have Hook telling Emma that he didn’t think he could move on from his first love until he met her. Then we have Emma STILL feeling alone and without a home and wandering and without love and still searching for that. If she had it in the past and it was 100% TL….well I just don’t see it. (It was cute, it had its moments, but I still say she looked skeptical when Neal asked her to settle down with him and that was my reaction on 1st viewing when I wasn’t so obsessed with CS!)
Yep, absolute double standard. Hook’s thing specifically says believe he’s a hero. Also? the fate / destiny garbage. They’ve already gone that route and said that it could be that they were meant to meet for a reason and that something good came out of it (that goes on the friendly reminders meta since they’ve said it recently as well with regards to Henry). Not that they were meant to be forever and ever. Just that they were meant to meet for Henry to exist. Also fate/destiny? Rumple’s poster. Believe a man can change his fate. Which is reminiscent of Belle’s “Nobody decides my fate but me.” Who do we know that is tired of getting jerked around by the manipulations of others that has controlled her entire life? Emma. Just saying.
All the other posters haven’t been romantic but have played out. We should have had the Neal poster ages ago and there were lots of good places to put it but now it feels like there’s other options for what it means for sure (as annoying as it is to see the IN YOUR FACE YOU WERE WRONG celebrations happening right now – thankfully not here…that I know of). I’d rather watch it play out personally so I seriously doubt that they gave away a ginormous plot point in that. Rescuing Henry? Fairly obvious. Believing in characteristics and love being stronger than letting evil win? Not a surprise.
But we do have Emma’s finding her way home (and the episode is called “Going Home”) and now Neal’s 2nd chances poster so I completely understand why people are jumping on that and saying they have to be connected! That said, I don’t think they are. (And even if they were, it’s a temporary roadblock until they figure out that it’s not right anymore. #InItForTheLongHaul)
Mirroring back to 3×01, Emma is much closer to everyone now (even Snowing though there are still issues there). She’s come to accept that she is LOVED now which is huge for her (and Killian is a BIG part of that, so much so that even when we hadn’t had a lot of CS interaction for awhile, Regina made a point of reminding us that Emma has a pirate who pines for her which conveniently was right before Emma was telling the Lost Boys how loved she is). Finding her home could easily mean her family and in non-romantic ways. Presumably we’re saving Henry (finally) in this coming episode and Henry is where her heart is now.
If we wanted to twist it romantically? There’s a possibility of that. Tink is back with the gang and has pixie dust and could get her wings back by believing in herself. She’s the reminder to the audience from her episode about finding who you’re supposed to be with and having a second chance at love (meaning with a different person) and she’s behaved or commented a couple of times now (including reminding the audience!) that Hook loves Emma. So it’s interesting that she’s there NOW.
Emma could easily have a moment in the chaos where it does mean something romantic, like when Snow told Charming she didn’t have a home until she met him. Or Hook not being able to move on until he met Emma. That could happen romantically for Emma. It’s more likely to go with the Henry thing or Charming family feels for her finally finding where she belongs and having it NOT be romantic. But there’s definitely a way it COULD be if she feels like she’s about to lose everyone and in her anguish of that finally decides to be honest about everything and go to the guy she does love.
Neal Neal Neal. I like him I do, I want him to be happy, but I don’t think this is a “2nd chance” with Emma (definitely not 2nd anyway), but I DO think that Tink cares about him and will see him sad maybe and want to help him. She could be a GREAT help in all this mess if there is enough time to deal with even a short moment of him being off to the side and sad (depending on when in the events of what’s going on things like this *might* occur), and tell him what she’s told Regina – that it’s possible to find love again and that too would wrap things around to early on in the season (they’re tying up loose threads for the most part). She could even be talking to Regina about finding her 2nd chance at love with the mystery guy etc etc and have Neal overhear it. Whatever it is it sounds hopeful for Neal to have something good happen and he needs it, but I don’t see why Emma should have to make everyone else happy instead of herself (and so far, her actions haven’t been remotely like wanting to go back to him).
I feel like the posters were supposed to be for this mini-season though so it is concerning that something might not play out before the end of the episode. But I think it likely that if there is a 2nd chance, it happens but is fleeting. I’d much rather read it as “believe in 2nd chances” that sends him forward looking for who his real 2nd chance at love is. Tamara didn’t really love him so that whole relationship was a sham and he says he regretted Emma every day and never stopped loving her so this would be a “real” 2nd chance. (His math skills? Not his forte but we’ll go with it). I’d be ok with it meaning something hopeful for him for the future, much like Regina’s was with the exact same language. (And is also something we need to explore in the 2nd half of the season! Looking forward to OutlawQueen!
Not sure how soon we’d be introduced to whoever Neal’s new love interest would be (please not TOO soon. I want him to have hope but he JUST lost/was betrayed by Tamara, dove headlong into EMMA EMMA EMMA 24/7 IMMEDIATELY after that – he needs time to sort out his feelings and please do NOT treat someone like a rebound! I hated it for Emma with the Tamara stuff, I hate it for Tink with the Hookerbell sad excuse for drowning ones sorrows etc etc. It’s just not nice and I like all the characters too much!) but I do want him to have hope that somebody’s out there so that when he’s ready he’ll get there (much like Regina still hasn’t met the guy but knows he’s out there when she’s ready to open her heart up and I fully expect Tink to remind her).
I’m not sure how much Tink we’ll get and I don’t know that she’s been seen since 3×11 so I don’t know what to think. Does something happen to her? I think she’ll get her wings back for sure and I hope she uses pixie dust for something since she has it and we keep being reminded she has it… but I don’t know what past this might happen for her other than flashbacks. I really want her to help Regina and now Neal down that path of having hope for the future and their second chances at love though!
2nd chances could mean SO MANY things! It’s odd that they put it out after the family has been reunited but I would really love it if the phrase was used in that context for once and we see it come out of a Stiltskin clan moment and not just be Emma Emma Emma. That’s way too much pressure on her and I’m 99% sure that she’s feeling it and it’s paralyzing her because that’s now how she feels or what she wants but she doesn’t want to hurt anybody either because it means opening up those wounds for her as well and she’s not yet ready to trust and jump in and take a leap of faith (hello 3×01) in her love life right now with Killian (really hoping THAT gets wrapped back around and we get the leap of faith even if the curse is bearing down!).
As for the Hookerbell post I just laughed. That caption tells me everything I need to know. Something for your enjoyment because it cracked me up:
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Trying to have a positive outlook. Now I wish they had just released all the posters at the beginning like they did with the others but they staggered them and waited until AFTER Neal’s most recent attempt at a chance failed? What was the point in that? I feel like it should all wrap up in the first half but it’s not like there’s going to be much time for them to wrap that up AND to see him off on a second chance somewhere unless he actually says the second chance line referring to something other than Emma for a change. Or maybe Tink will suggest something about finding a second chance at love and this not being the end for him. I don’t know, I really really hate the timing of it all.
As for Hookerbell the timing is laughable. They outright said it looked like “trouble” (they’ve been hyping CS so them adding that was funny), and they put it up after the fact and we know how that scene played out. It’s one of those times that the dialogue does not match what’s really going on. (I did have to laugh seeing people who keep saying that everything in the dialogue = SF. Um, if we went strictly by dialogue with NOTHING else then I’ve lost track of how many times Emma has said bad things about SF and not wanting to go back. Context, tone, body language etc is everything).
So I’m trying to laugh and not get myself down. I was a complete wreck yesterday already so didn’t need their account suddenly doing a 180 but it’s just absurd. I’m sorry, I want everyone to be HAPPY and find their TRUE love. Why should I root for Tink to feel like a rebound? She called him on it! She knows that she would mean nothing! OMG TRUE LOVE! I just….I can’t wish that on ANYONE! They might have been a cute backup (I really resent the idea that he’ll need a backup and I really don’t think he will but we’ll see) but why on earth would I start shipping them NOW with a start like that? Nobody deserves to be the rebound & treated like that! Any possibility that Hookerbell could be a thing just went out the window as far as I’m concerned. I’ve seen a lot of people conveniently cropping out the “trouble” part and thinking that ABC is promoting this pairing but frankly it’s a disservice to both characters and I’m seeing a lot of people who are anti-Hook alllll the time (not anti-CS, anti-Hook as in want him gone off the show or killed off or goodness knows what as in THEY DON”T EVEN CARE ABOUT HIM) and are suddenly shipping Hookerbell which makes me wonder if they hate Tink too.
At least when I ship Neal it’s because he SMILES and seems HAPPY and it’s never to write him off the show. He IS important. Lots of family ties, reason for the entire curse etc etc. I want him to be happy too! It’s just so frustrating because I do care about the character and I hate to watch him hurting but one of the guys is going to be like that for a bit before they find who they’re supposed to be with because both guys are banking on that being Emma right now. I don’t think we’ve necessarily met Neal’s TL yet. I’d like to think that whoever the backup option is for whoever wouldn’t be made to feel like such an obvious rebound though. Yeah that totally screams TL. (It might work in very few cases but it doesn’t make me want to root for someone who knows they’re being used. It is NOT a fun feeling and I see absolutely NOTHING romantic about it. Give me some chemistry and make me wonder but this? Yeah this was a failed attempt to make me want Hook with anyone else. All it did was further my resolve that he needs Emma and even Tink sees that he cares for only Emma.)
Really this whole episode was annoying but it got Emma jealous and it had to set up something, I’m sure of it. There’s no way they just throw it aside 1 episode home from NL. It perfectly demonstrated that when they’re not joined at the hip and side-by-side working together and believing in each other something is off. Funny how Ms. Not being with your TL makes you miserable and then we watch them spend an episode apart and they’re miserable. Seriously that better come back into play. Tink knows what’s up AND she has pixie dust now.
Since they’re likely going to wrap up some loose ends as it’s a mini-season, I think Tink will get her wings back by believing in herself (at least I hope so now that Blue’s gone!). If she has her wings, she could use the pixie dust to settle things once and for all if the characters let her.
Emotions are sure to be high with everything going on so I think it likely somebody might have a meltdown soon and it could escalate into a case where Tink (who only has one emotion at a time really) just loses it and feels the need to step in. We’ve already set up that pixie dust can show you who you’re supposed to be with and I could see if people aren’t believing of a choice that she could use it to prove something. Or perhaps it’s a side thing where she proves to Neal that Emma isn’t the one he’s supposed to be with, leading him off on a journey to find his second chance like she did with Regina.
All of this is likely wishful thinking but something definitely happens between the trainwreck that was 3×10 and the looks in the promo for 3×11. He’s back to Killian and she’s standing close to him! We saw how jealous she was and that’s going to need to be addressed, hence the headcanon meta that was linked here earlier for how 3×11 might mirror 3×01. I’d really love it if they did get into a little fight that was JUST because they cared so much and were trying to do the “right” thing and it blew up on them. Plus it would be great to do a call back to the “Actually I quite fancy you from time to time when you’re not yelling at me” because let’s face it – he loves her even then. Emma doesn’t get emotional often but she’s already had one breakdown after seeing him with Tink and thinking she can never have days off.
It’s interesting that it sounds like the new curse won’t have her written into it as the savior which means the pressure might not be all on her shoulders. I’m still confused with the 3×12 stuff because it at least seems like Hook knows who he is somehow and went to get her or something but then he’s also in the EF etc etc so it’s all confusing. Emma may still basically play the role of savior but without the title being on her shoulders. If Hook is the one who believes and has to convince her, it’ll be like Henry from S1 all over again!
I just really need more context. Everything that has been shown to us so far adds up to a lot and I just can’t believe they’d do a 180 right now and after 1 episode home decide that Emma’s totally fine with it now. I mean, she spent more time being jealous of Tink than she did worrying about whether Neal would think she stood him up! (I expect her to say something to him in 3×11 but she never once was like darn, I was gonna go in there but now he thinks I wasn’t oh no. It was an unnecessary jealousy scene at an inappropriate MOMENT.)
In the past Emma’s emotions have been read multiple ways before and then when she has these big emotional moments the truth is revealed. I would not be surprised at all if she thinks she’s losing everything now especially that she might just snap. She holds things close to the vest (notice that she put her “armor” back on after being asked to meet Neal), and lets things bubble up. I’d have snapped a long time ago if everybody I knew was telling me to go back to someone that hurt me like that.
He is lovable, he has his moments, and I don’t think he’ll make the same mistake again ever. LOVE that someone brought over JMO’s quotes on it. It’s never been JUST about jail for me (though that part does suck for her, especially giving birth to Henry shackled to a bed). It’s about all the opportunities he had to do SOMETHING to make sure she understood what happened and why. It was not coming back after the curse broke (he was reminded of it shortly before and chose to start something with Tamara instead). It was choosing to stay in NY and whine about her taking Henry back to SB. It was bringing Tamara and insisting he was gonna marry her while Emma had a breakdown UNTIL THE MOMENT where Tamara was no longer an option and then he switched to Emma 24/7. I can’t even begin to imagine all the feelings Emma hasn’t vocalized yet.
All I know is that if I were in her shoes, it’s too little too late. I’d feel like a backup option, one that was NEVER intended to happen and that I fought so hard to keep him all those years ago and he was never gonna do that for me. Stepping up now when you have no other option and you’re kinda stuck there for other reasons isn’t enough to wash away all those years of pain that you were never gonna try and fix. She was NEVER going to have answers. I just can’t see that as romantic or a fairy tale and I’ve said before, if this is what a modern day fairy tale looks like, I want no part in it and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone that I care about either.
That being said, he IS NOT a horrible monster of a man that doesn’t deserve love. Nobody else will have that same history with him and I think he does know better now. Like Mulan, he learned that you have to say something and if you don’t, it’s your loss every time. I think he’ll be back where Mulan was at the beginning of the season in recognizing that she waited too long to do something about it and can’t make those mistakes again with someone else. I don’t think he’ll end up alone and he’s proven in his language and in his actions that if Emma’s ok then he can move on (and he moved on without even knowing for sure that she was ok).
It’s that specific history, all those things that build up (like JMO said) that I have an issue with, not him as a person. Even if Hook weren’t around I’d be struggling to find somebody for Emma who DOES NOT have that history with her. They have their moments. They’ll make great friends and it’ll be cute once in awhile like it used to be. But I just can’t root for someone in that position because of that history. I’ve tried, believe me I’ve tried. They do have their cute moments and sometimes I manage to forget for a few seconds but then it all comes back (and I haven’t lived with that decade of pain). It’s easy to forget the bad stuff for a little bit but it doesn’t erase it. If I were in her shoes in a non-FT life (which is what hers was at that point), taking that out of the equation because it really doesn’t matter in this case other than his reasoning for jail originally which I”ve already said isn’t the sticking point with me), it really just is not something I could root for (and why it bugs me SO MUCH that Snowing does – I seriously can’t see my family saying “You should really give that guy another chance! He left you in jail for his crimes. You gave birth shackled to a bed and then gave up your kid. You drifted for a decade feeling unlovable and not trusting anyone. You found him by accident yay! He’s engaged to someone else but that doesn’t matter. He’s still gonna marry her? No no not a problem. Oh see, she’s evil! She doesn’t matter, he regretted it every day it’s totally fine now. Oh he didn’t choose you until the last possible second after she tried to kill him? Must be TRUE LOVE!”
I just…I can’t do it. Looking at all of that no.
Not saying that Hook is a saint and they’ve done horrible things to each other in the past too but he’s always treated her as an equal. Someone that can (and does) fight back. On top of that he never promised her the world before taking it away from her. Forever means forever and “what’s 28 years when you have eternal love?” Neal didn’t last 10 and didn’t BELIEVE enough in them like she did all those years ago. He destroyed the girl he still thinks of her as and sees nothing standing in the way now that Hook backed off. He genuinely loved Tamara and stood by her until the last possible moment.
Does that mean that I love what Hook did this episode? Of course not. He was broken and miserable and clearly doing oh, exactly what MM and Graham did before that. MM thought she lost David and knew she would just be used/being used by Whale and did it anyway. Graham couldn’t convince Emma that she was the only one who let him feel something so he went back to Regina even though it was just using each other. Yet somehow Hook is just so terrible and Neal’s a saint, even though he was begging Tamara back to bed for a “workout” the morning she tried to kill him and had genuine feelings involved.
Emma spent the last decade or so as a one-night stand kind of girl. If they had wanted to, they could have gone that route with Hook as a fling. As a way to get over Neal after seeing him with Tamara or after thinking he was dead. There was certainly enough tension to go that route, it would have been in character completely, it’s what many people expected in the first place cause the pirate obviously doesn’t love deeply or anything (he’s only spent hundreds of years trying to avenge the death of his love and just flirts to get what he wants but it’s a mask of pain and torment). But they didn’t go that route. Why? Because having Emma and Hook be that way is the equivalent of Whale for MM.
The whole point of that kiss conversation for me at this point was to show that Snow isn’t as observant as MM was. She took Emma’s “It was just a kiss” at face value instead of saying like she used to that “nothing means something with you or we wouldn’t be talking about it.” She immediately jumped from “oh it meant nothing” to “Neal will forgive you for it.” Why? Because Charming forgave her for Whale. They were cursed, it didn’t matter (in this case the “we were cursed” would be “I thought you were dead” but even then Emma JUST SAID that she was “feeling good” and I’m pretty sure MM was never feeling good about going back to the diner to hit on Whale. Just saying.
I’ll be so happy when this triangle is decided and over with and the ABC twitter account stops trying to build up my ship so much only to do a 180 near the end of the mini-season and shove other things down my throat. It’s one thing to hype what’s going to happen and be consistent about it, and it’s another to jerk people’s chains around. They should have released Neal’s poster agessss ago so it does make me question a little why now, but that Hookerbell thing was already done with and it was NOT a good thing for Tink or anybody that has been the consolation prize on this show which doesn’t mean true love (and is just SAD. Nobody deserves that).
I just don’t like having my chain jerked around. It’s not nice. Don’t tell me to have HOPE and to BELIEVE that good things will happen and then have 1 episode where people are a little upset and JEALOUS and suddenly I need to believe in the other thing? Just no. I believe in CaptainSwan. I’m #InItForTheLongHaul like Hook is. This is ridiculous.
It was bad enough being called “delusional” but I’ll take that any day over “you’re gonna get what you want oh oops, we were just kidding” which I feel is what they’ve done in a way. I don’t believe all 2nd chances pan out or that everything on those posters is romantic and what have you, but coupled with the sudden pic of Hookerbell it certainly feels that way. I’d much rather hope for something beautiful WITHOUT them trying to sway me toward it only to yank it away. That is a discredit to EVERYONE. I hate jerking the fans around. Please don’t TELL me to get excited about something and then do a 180. Be fair to everyone every step of the way or focus on what you can promise to provide. There were so many places they should have been equal and fair along the way and I feel like if it does change then they’re just jerking us around and I don’t appreciate it.
It’s one thing to hope when there isn’t much reason to but to have extreme false hope taken away is just cruel. So I’m furious on principle and because I’m always nervous but there are still way too many things in our favor right now that I can’t see Emma suddenly being all fine with everything that’s ever happened and ignoring it.
Literally the only thing that makes me worry is the quote about right/wrong/just choose because at this point, Hook is right. But I don’t think Emma will do that. JMO has been pretty consistent with what she thinks about the SF relationship. So many times we’ve guessed what Emma really had on her mind and she hasn’t been able to express it for awhile. Hopefully in this hugely emotional episode she gets a chance to! (And if it’s telling people off for telling her what’s best for her the more the better. Reminds me of her big quote from 1×04 which I love! It’s about time she stands up for herself and says NO because they just keep piling it on her and she’s got enough to deal with).
I really really hope if the curse works and takes her memories that it’s not for long. I’ll be sick if they use it to try and whitewash the past so that she’s too far in it before remembering. That would be way too convenient and a disservice to an awesome character. (Plus if you have to forget a ton in order to make it work, there’s an issue). I’m encouraged by the fact that in 3×12, after some confusion, she’s hugging Hook and therefore likely has her memories back and can work to getting everyone else back too. Kinda sad it’s only a hug…but until we have more context we just don’t know. Makes it sorta like Henry though if he helps her believe so that she can rescue everyone and Henry is HER WORLD!
So I’m not gonna give up hope and belief in my ship. They could have teased it a little bit this season and then made it more of a triangle and they didn’t. They went wayyyy into the CS stuff and made Hook have genuine feelings and talking about the long haul and that kind of stuff, done again and again, can’t be for nothing.
Right now they’re setting it up so that if Emma DOES want to see what’s there, for whatever reason, then she can. Hook is putting Henry first (always a good thing), he’s letting them figure things out (Emma will be annoyed because it’s not his call to make but he’s trying to put her son first and she’ll understand that), etc etc. They’ve set it up that SF COULD happen but that Hook still plans to be there for the long haul. I’m not saying they will definitely give it its 2nd chance (gosh I hope not) but that they do need to talk about things and figure stuff out and that Emma does need to clear it out of her system so that she can pick Hook 100% without any lingering feelings or doubt (and it would help to win Henry over too).
They’re setting it up perfectly that it COULD go that way if Emma chooses (I’m not convinced she’ll want to since she spent more time being jealous than worrying about getting to her “date” that she never planned to go on), but if it does, we’re not out yet. We’ve said all along that she needs to close the door on that and that IS taking the hard route. It doesn’t change the lingering feelings she has for Hook and if it looks more like an obligation a la Kathryn then the better it is for us. I don’t see the longing looks going away for CS at all.
I really don’t think she will try unless she’s just sooo upset over the Hookerbell stuff that she thinks he’s not an option anymore so she might as well try (how very Lost of them), but then there’s the looks in the promo and them spending a lot of time together in the 2nd half so I just don’t know! I so do not buy the random Neal in Hook’s body switch though. Not even sure where that came from but I seriously doubt it. That’s the only way it makes sense is if as some have suggested that Hook is trying to make himself look more piratey so that she’ll give Neal a chance while he’s miserable and hiding behind his pirate mask. But even then we get the longing and eventually the closure for SF and CS in the long haul.
The only thing that concerns me is that she isn’t ready to choose according to recent interviews. That said it was from a few episodes ago so she might be closer now. Thinking she’s about to lose everyone can do that for sure so it will be very interesting to see where she falls in all that. I can’t believe though that they’d show her being jealous (which is what everyone outside of SF fans have said), and then jump to “but I always loved Neal” – that’s just now how her behavior was in this last episode at all.
She knows what it’s like to think she’s lost both of the guys before. She’s lost Neal multiple times and instead of holding on tight and saying that nothing that happened before matters because they have each other now etc etc, making up for lost time, making sure they know how much they’re loved and that they’re sorry for whatever screwup etc etc and none of that has happened! Emma thought she lost Hook once and screamed his name and was then able to light the candle, but we haven’t seen her really “lose” him yet since her feelings have been growing other than that moment. That was a close call but they were fine so it didn’t do a whole lot. We saw her get jealous at the idea of losing him romantically but now she’ll face possibly losing him for good so I’m interested to see how she reacts to that if the curse does anything.
Meant to keep this short (ha) but I’m really annoyed on principle for what’s been going on the past few days. I was so excited for the episode because JMO is so excited and now half of what I’ve seen just makes me question what I know and feel and believe but there’s just too much overwhelming evidence to give up. I refuse. They’re being awfully quiet this week leading up to it but hopefully we get a bit of something soon. I need context to properly analyze things. I definitely don’t think 3×10 killed us but showed how miserable apart they are. I really hope Tink gets her wings back and has a hand in something. She sees CS for what it is and is one of the few that will actually back that up. The only other one would be Regina who doesn’t really “care” but would make a snarky remark about how obvious it is or something.
Not sure how a lot could happen with so much going on but CS is good about finding the MOMENTS so I have faith that we’ll get from the ridiculousness of 3×10 to the looks in 3×11 just fine. I’m not sure that she’ll make an actual choice (though you would think there would be in her final moments before a curse unless she just focuses on Henry and won’t let herself, even then, be selfish and admit her “truth” about both guys that’s supposed to happen in a surprising way? I think?.
I am surprised they’re not hyping it as Emma makes a choice if that does happen though which is part of the reason I’m not sure it does. They told us we’d know who Regina was meant to be with and you’d think this would be THE thing that they’d want to hype. (It would make us all panic thanks to Neal’s poster but it wouldn’t mean that necessarily).
So many conflicting things happening these days. We do know that Hook and Emma will be spending a LOT of time together in the near future and that it looks likely she remembers him after a potion? so we shouldn’t have to deal with Emma not remembering for very long. Not sure how Hook got around the memory thing if he did (I’m assuming he does if he goes off to convince Emma) but did anyone else? Did he get sent as the person she’d trust most? What is going on? Why a hug and not a kiss if her feelings have been made known? So many conflicting ideas that I’m not sure what to believe at this point!
I admit I panic easily. I’m irked by recent events, but I’m still clinging to the belief that CS has been built the way it has for a reason and that reason it not to just trash it so that something that makes no sense character wise for at least 4 characters can happen. I refuse to believe that until I have to (and even then it won’t make sense to me). I EXPECTED Emma to be more torn. I expected her to have a legitimate pull that might draw her back in for a bit to then see it doesn’t work. That wouldn’t have surprised me ages ago and I’d have said we just have to wait it out (and we would and still might), but the way she’s been behaving lately I just don’t see that as a real possibility right now and will be shocked if it happens. There’s a quote from sometime recently that makes me think that even more but I’ll have to find it and my brain is fried. I’ll get to the actual (and much shorter) metas I planned at some point. This has just been a long ramble after a couple of bad days from you know where that were only compounded by idiotic marketing strategies.
LOVE LOVE LOVE the pretty graphics and keep them coming! Wish I could contribute more with that (I may try at some point). Welcome to all the new thread members! (See – long is totally fine. Have at it!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
