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ParticipantIs Emma Rigby busy on another show or something?
She’s been filming a movie in London called A Hundred Streets, though the Twitter account for the movie says filming wrapped in Sept, but they were shooting pickups around Oct 20, so she might not be 100% done with it yet I guess? That’s the only current project listed on her imdb.
I dislike when Eddie opens his mouth in these interviews. He always makes me ragey.
We don’t want death.He’s not directly connected to the fandom and is oblivious to how things like this send people into a MELTDOWN. He needs to think before he speaks. *HEADDESK*
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ParticipantTheir relationship is so spectacularly screwed up.
But that one clip had more Belle lines than we’ve had in the whole season thus far, so at least that’s something.
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ParticipantAlso, if Nate knows he planted evidence but Frank is a free man on Murder-Night, then either Nate never arrested him OR Frank got out of it somehow.
Oh that’s an excellent point! Hmmm, now my brain has another tangent to ponder.
I was both excited and slightly in a panic when the promo said that Sam’s killer is revealed in two weeks. I’m here all, “YES I NEEED TO KNOW ASAP…but…I wanna try and figure it out myself first and will we get enough new information before then that I’m able to decide who did it?”
OR he could be so protective and obsessive with Rebecca by that point that he’d kill for her.
He could well be. But then I question whether the rest of them would be willing to hang around and put themselves through this hell, risk going to jail themselves, all just to protect Wes? I might believe that Laurel would, because she and Wes seem to be almost friends, but Connor and Michaela are in the frienemy zone, so would they risk their necks for Wes and/or Rebecca? And so far none of the scenes have had any of them lashing out at Wes in a “You (and/or your girlfriend) got us into this,” way. So if it WAS Wes (and/or Rebecca) who killed Sam, I don’t think the rest know.
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ParticipantDSB, your new map is FABULOUS! LOL
If you can travel in time, and the book rewrites itself, why would you think there’s an author controlling what gets written? Why would Henry agree with her?
Yeah, it makes zero sense, you didn’t miss anything by only watching bits and pieces, it really just does not compute.
Before I believe they are setting anything up, I suppose they’d have to go back and fill in the missing pieces on why Neal had no choice, which again, mythology stuff which they are terrible at doing. I don’t think there’s an answer any more than there’s an answer to why Rumple had to kill himself to take out Pan, or why there was a vault of goo and Zelena just happened to have the key, or how some spinsters had extra beans to just go handing one out, or how Neal knew about the Squid or escaped NL, or how August even knew who Neal was –the writers just love to toss in details to hint at a larger world without actually having an idea of where those hints would go–until they need them to go somewhere. Then it goes where they want it to–like how reversing a curse suddenly raised walls that never existed before that curse was cast such that magic beans (that are supposed to be extinct) are suddenly useless, then useful again after the curse is recast, and apparently, obtainable if you know the right people and have the right stuff in trade.
This is so depressingly accurate. Just imagine if they DID take the time to delve into the mythos and explain these types of things instead of getting distracted by SHINY and PLOT TWISTS. We could have a properly fleshed out universe where there are reasons for and explanations of things and we could see characters reacting to it all. *sigh*
Those flipping WALLS, tearing them down building them up jumping over them blowing them up,, smashing them up, magic walls, crazy walls, red wall, blue wall, one wall, two walsl, this wall has a wocket, this wall has flocket, this wall in the air this wall is on chair, walls walls everywhere, walls that are green, walls that are mean, walls that are lean, walls that are seen. Walls going up walls going down, walls full smiles, walls full of frowns, walls, walls, at balls in gowns. Walls, Walls, everywhere, Walls, Walls, I really don’t care. WALLS!
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ParticipantA few more things that have come into my head over the last few hours while pondering the ep some more and also scrolling through tumblr, (I love that this show stays stuck in my head for hours after watching it)…
Nate blames Annalise for losing his job. So is he trying to gather enough information to be able to blackmail her to get money out of her because he’s gotta pay for his wife’s cancer treatment somehow now that he’s lost his job?
Michaela txt Asher that she was at the library, but then he saw photos of her at the bonfire. Is he just gonna write that off or will it become a thing where he’s all, “Wait up, you weren’t where you said you were gonna be, you were at this other place, were you at the house when I was banging on the door after all?”
Who’s this Alicia who called Asher at the start of the ep and interrupted his private dance party? “Alicia, hey what time you goin’ to the bonfire, girl? What study? No I don’t have to study, I gots the trophy…I gotta call you back.” It seems he went straight to Annalise’s place after that phonecall, at which time Sam was already dead, and he didn’t get the booty call from Bonnie until later. So, say if Bonnie says that she spent the night with Asher as her alibi (if she killed Sam), and he backs her up, then could this Alicia person testify that at a certain point in time Asher was NOT with Bonnie, he was planning to go to the bonfire, which busts Bonnie’s alibi and means that no court can trust what Asher says?
Saw someone on tumblr suggest that Lila was killed at Wes’ place and the scratches on the wall are from her, which is why they keep getting referred to. Did the as yet unseen Rudy potentially kill Lila in his apartment and are those potentially murder scratches instead of sex scratches?
Can Frank be trusted? Did he REALLY get rid of all the incriminating evidence attached to that photo, or could he have it stashed somewhere just in case it comes in handy at some point?
One of the little moments that made me kinda suss on Wes was when Rebecca said no one had ever believed in her like this before and he responded with, “I know.” That response just seemed a bit emotionally disconnected or something? You’d expect a statement that reinforces how he believes in her, but instead it came across kinda like, “Yup, that’s why I’m doing it,” but in a calculated way as opposed to a supportive way maybe?
Also, I can’t tell if he’s intentionally bringing it whenever he speaks to Annalise alone or if it’s just a random on screen chemistry thing between the actors. Like, he actually peeked back around the door at her AS HE WAS REMOVING HIS TOWEL and then he sauntered into the room all mostly dressed except for his unbuttoned shirt exposing his wet torso. Now I know I’m not Annalise, and maybe she ain’t a cougar, but I’m just sayin’, if I were in her position, he’d have totally thrown me off my game, so I’ve gotta wonder if he’s doing it intentionally.
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ParticipantThat whole final section, I was gasping and flailing, OH MY GOD!
This week’s trial was about Annalise taking a stand to out perjury because she was so affected by the corruption and unfairness of it all…then she went and planted evidence on Griffin. GAH, it’s so hypocritical of her, but you can still sympathise with her because she’s going to such lengths to protect Sam, because despite everything, she needs him. This is how you write complex characters, folks!!
Can’t wait to see what Nate does with those photos. Frank is so busted, which means Annalise is so busted, and what does Nate feel about Annalise these days? Does he have any sympathy for her, or will he wanna use this evidence to bring her down?
Dang near fell outta my chair when Bonnie was in Asher’s bed. It’s not like there were even that many suspects of who might be there when the camera panned over, so I dunno who I was expecting, but Bonnie totally blindsided me. There are a few characters who we’d been wondering about their whereabouts on murder night, and this ep it was like BOOM this is where Asher was that night, then BOOM this is where Bonnie was, then it ended with a completely unexpected BOOM HERE’S ANNALISE ON MURDER NIGHT.
“It’s always the one you least expect.” (Foreshadowing for Sam?)
Or just foreshadowing for Bonnie being in Asher’s bed? Speaking of, “Team Bosher,” they actually had Asher come up with a ship name for him and Bonnie mid-episode and by the end of the ep they’d slept together. LOL
GO ANNALISE GO!!!
ANNALISE KEATING FOR EVERYTHING. VIOLA DAVIS FOR EVERYTHING!!!! ALL THE AWARDS!!! ALL OF THEM!!!! EVERY. LAST. ONE. OF. THEM.
YES!!! VICTORY!!!!
I was literally APPLAUDING at the screen, like, HOLY CRAP YOU GO GIRL!!!
Okay, Wes is nice and all but SO NAIVE.
Either naive or a super schemer, I really can’t figure him out still. I mean, he’s the big hearted “puppy” who wants everyone to have fair trials, but he has no qualms about evidence being planted? Like, I know that helps Rebecca, and he likes Rebecca, but still, it’s sort of an illegal way to go about it but he’s cool with it. Notice he didn’t comment when Annalise touched the scratches on his wall and enquired, “You and Rebecca?” He’s perfectly happy for Annalise to believe that he and Rebecca are engaging in wall clawing sex, even though they’re not. And he’s getting changed in the next room without even bothering to close the door, which, now that I think about it, is a stark contrast to how she covered herself when he came into her house last episode. I just can’t get it outta my head that he’s up to mind games of some sort.
Murder weapon: The trophy of justice. Last known location : Asher’s apartment. He believes someone broke in and stole it.
I’m still not convinced it will be the murder weapon in the end. Reckon it’s totally possible that someone shot or stabbed him and he bled out before they even got there with the trophy.
Annalise was in the law office shortly after the 4 Law Students and Rebecca removed Sam’s body from the house.
After her, “I need you,” breakdown, I’m inclined to say that there’s no way she could have killed him. But then, maybe the point came where she’d decided that she was DONE being so needy, and the only way to get herself to cut him off was if he was dead? That whole, “Always the one you least suspect,” line is DOING MY HEAD IN because now I dunno what to believe because if they show us something that makes me think, “Well that rules them out,” maybe that means I should actually suspect them MORE. GAH! *HEADDESK* I love this show! LOL
At the moment I’m still leaning the way of Annalise NOT being the killer, but the students maybe think she is, which is why they’re going to such lengths to try and cover everything up in an attempt to protect her.
Either Bonnie was not in the house OR she left the house after committing the murder and went to Asher for an alibi. The phone call Asher got..he sounded VERY surprised that she wanted to come over and she was very cold afterwards. It’s possible Bonnie is using Asher to cover for her and he is unaware.
It’s a great alibi, especially now that Bonnie knows that Asher’s dad is a powerful man, so who better to get into bed with if you’re trying to set up an alibi, because if your alibi starts to fall apart, Asher could ask daddy to help them out of the situation. But is it too obvious that that would be Bonnie’s alibi? I mean, the timing works almost too perfectly? But then why would Bonnie screw one of the students unless it was necessary, because she’s so anti the concept of Laurel and Frank?
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ParticipantThat’s the MysteryMansion they’re shooting in, can’t mistake those chairs.
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ParticipantYeah no more time jumping portals, please, I’m not really a fan of that OQoffspring theory.
Have seen it mentioned on tumblr that the White King and Queen had a daughter named Lily, but I can’t see any way they could believably connect her with Will.
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ParticipantWhat incentive do we, as the audience, have for caring about any of the current story lines or villains anymore? Why bother becoming invested in something that will be over in a fraction of the overall story? Something that will likely be forgotten and/or unaddressed in the future once these 11 episodes are over?
OUaT’s current track record for remembering and addressing past villains, characters or plot points is abysmal and makes one wonder what’s the point in getting invested? What’s the point of caring when once this serial is over everyone will move on and there will be no future impact from it all? Why care in the first place when the characters won’t? When the writers won’t? It just seems pointless…
THIS! This is a major reason I’m so disenchanted with the show these days. If the writers don’t seem to care enough to include that kind of consistency, then why should I care enough to get invested in fleeting PLOT?
*now goes away bc im making frie sweet potatos with cinammon and sugar
Sounds yum!!
In other news, this full post contains some language, but here’s the bulk of it…
Emma Swan does not need anybody to coddle her and “help” her open up to love. She can do it just fine by herself thanks.
Let’s go in chronological order shall we?
She found friendship with her friend Lily even though she felt like an unwanted nobody.
She let herself fall in love with Neal even though her friend Lily betrayed her.
She let herself open up to Graham even after she thought Neal abandoned her.
She came to love Henry after just spending time with him, even though she’s felt lost and abandoned multiple times at this point
She let her parents into her life after feeling abandoned by them and even brought them together as a family through the hard times.
She got herself to fall in love again with Walsh even though she was hesitant about him because of her past betrayals.
So the idea of Emma Swan needing Hook to hold her by the hand to open up again is quite ridiculous because in all these instances she had the capacity to do so without anyone’s help or intervention. It just robs her of her most important asset in an attempt to make Hook somewhat important (when it’s really not necessary) and try to make him relevant to the story. Frankly it weakens her character to use Hook as her walking stick because she’s “soooo closed off that only he can help her break down those wall”. *cue eye rolls*
Sure most of Emma’s relationships were short lived but the beauty of that is, is that Emma Swan manages to pick herself up, dust herself off and get right back on the horse so to speak. I think it’s a testament to her strength of character that even in the face of tragedy (or in this case several) she can still love again. She just needs time.
Emma Swan needs nobody pushing her and telling her what to feel, how to feel, and when to feel
Can I get an A-FRICKING-MEN!
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