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The census records were for both Curses, weren’t they? And she didn’t show up in either? I’m assuming those census records were magically created to record everyone who came over? I guess she either just came on her own both times, or, if she’s able to remove memories, maybe she can also keep herself removed from magically created census documents she’s supposed to be in. So really, we don’t know.
But I think she probably didn’t come in the first Curse, and came to our world after the fact by her own means, to try and find Emma, (if Emma was her motivation, there’s not much point in her coming to our world pre-Curse because Emma wasn’t here yet).
Then I think after knowing Emma as a teen, she lost her, and so after that she went and shacked up in SB, knowing that eventually Emma would end up there and she could try again.
At the end of 3B, she probably got sent back to wherever she came from, because everyone in SB went back, even if they hadn’t come with the first Curse.
Then she probably got swept up and brought back to SB with Snow’s Curse, (though if she made her own way here before, she could have just done it again after Snow’s Curse too).
[adrotate group="5"]I don’t know if this has anything to do with that memory loss thing, but in the original Snow Queen story, the SQ kisses the boy twice to make him forget the people he loves..
Yeah, I’d say the Snow Queen has the amnesia magic and can do it to whoever, whenever, which they could probably somehow relate to her having come from Arendelle and maybe she had some magical education from the Rock Trolls who can also take memories. And her relationship with Rumple could be that she’s where he got the amnesia ingredient for the Dark Curse.
*reading all your posts and regularly saying WORD, PREACH and AMEN*
3. My friend and I were not only able to see the Chicago Fire firehouse and set on Friday, we actually got to watch them film some scenes AND it was scenes with my two favorite actors too (Jesse Spencer & Monica Raymund who play Casey & Dawson, aka Dawsey, aka my only ship that’s sailing on any of my shows right now,LOL) so I was on cloud 900 all weekend after that day!
That’s so cool, YAY!! Glad you had an awesomely fangirly trip! 🙂
EMILY DE RAVEN has been on other projects this summer and was not available for a lot of filming. I think they gave her brief scenes with limited dialogue because they were working around her schedule…
The only project listed on Emilie’s imdb and wiki pages is the indie movie The Submarine Kid, and according to Twitter, filming for that wrapped on May 9th, which was two months before filming for OUAT resumed.
Remember how a couple of weeks ago we talked about Hans saying he didn’t kill Anna he just left her to die and how that was like Hook leaving Emma in Rumple’s cell…someone made the gifset.
I figured out a way it’ll bug me less that it was Hook in that scene instead of Emma’s parents. If it’s setup for Emma asking to know about HIS past in return. If he wants to know about her history, he should be willing to cough up some details about his own.
1.) Dem eyebrows though. 2.) Does Will even remember what Hook did? He was drunk after all and that would explain why he hasn’t mentioned it. 3.) Will needs to have the line “I don’t always use the internet… But when I do… Eye browse…” get it?? GET IT!!?? Everyone in this forum better laugh because that was comedic gold v_v
1) Indeed! 2) He totally remembers, hence the impressive stinkeye. 3) LOL! 😉
I know it’s the wrong fandom, but I had to share the magnificence of Mison (aka Ichabod) with everyone.
That reminds me, I still need to download the new Sleepy Hollow.
Few more photos here, including Snow Queen holding the hat box.
Also, I don’t think Lily has to be evil. After all, the name Lily comes from the lily flower,
Yeah, but they made a point of having her father call her by her full name, which is Lilith, which instantly conjures up a less sweet meaning for the name due to demon mythology.
Could Lily be the black fairy? Her star was black plus blue fairy is known as blue Star.
The star she drew on Emma was black, but Lily’s star was flesh coloured, like it was a birthmark, a brand or a burn of some type.
I read on tumblr that perhaps Lily is the black swan to Emma’s Swan Princess
I’ve always thought of Tamara as the Black Swan to Emma’s Swan Princess. In Swan Lake, the Black Swan poses as the woman the Prince wants to be with in order to trick him into being with her, which is basically what Tamara did. When they’re casting roles, I believe they have to specify if they want someone of a particular race to play a character, and Tamara was played by a black woman, so they likely wanted to cast the woman coming between Emma and her old love as being black for a reason, and if that reason was guy-caught-between-Swan-Princess-and-Black-Swan, then it fits.
If it weren’t for that star, I’d say we won’t see Lilith again. However, I’ll give another crack theory.
Magical beings, when granted released from the Sorcerer’s hat, are marked with a star. Their star disappears from the box, and is transferred to the person. Like a brand. They are branded by the sorcerer and sent to the land without magic.
Crack
That would be pretty cool, good theory.
Would you have NOT wanted them to include Neal in Emma’s memory box? Would you rather NOT see Emma/Regina’s friendship grow if it’s not going to turn romantic? Woudl you NOT want to see Emma did put the shoelace back on?
My issue is not in the seeing. Unquestionably, pulling the photo from the box was the highlight of the episode but none of it was organic and natural. And I think it’s incredibly clear that it won’t continue into the next few episodes. It didn’t even continue to the rest of THIS episode. The Emma/Regina one they will continue to try (but it was super problematic with the way it was presented, if you haven’t read @Myril‘s reading of it in the fav thread). But not Neal or Graham. Emma will never get to talk about her feelings over holding her once true love in her arms as he died. This was a close as the writers were going to get and it was only to make everyone shut up.
So while I loved the moment, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth becuase the they Jedi Mind Tricked me and I know it will have zero follow through.
THIS! The way JMo played Emma’s reaction to the photo was perfect, but it wasn’t consistent for the character. It’s exactly how she should be feeling only a couple of weeks at most after that man she had loved, the father of her child, died in her arms. Instead she’s been running around town cracking jokes and going on dates like Neal didn’t just die in her arms two weeks ago. So this reaction to the photo, while it was perfect, it was out of the blue, inconsistent, and won’t be followed up on, and therefore it feels less like a genuine, heartfelt acknowledgment of him, and more like them saying, “Oh yeah, Neal was a thing, don’t worry folks, we really do remember he existed and Emma cared about him one time,” before they promptly move on and get back to business as usual and the loss won’t be bothering her that way ever again because who needs character consistency when we have plot to move forward. And that’s why the inclusion of the photo feels a bit like a slap in the face to SFers.
As for the bootlace, we didn’t even know that it was Graham’s until it was mentioned by JMo after she’d been wearing it for two seasons without explanation, so that goes to show how well they documented Emma dealing with having HIM die in her arms.
However, Regina should not be more forgivable than Snow is in Emma’s eyes. Yes, Snow has made some poor choices like the admission she wanted a second child, but then again, should Snow be denied a second chance at parenthood because she was forced to give up Emma to protect her? I don’t care if Snow is Emma’s mother; while that is complicated with the whole adult parent thing, Snow does not deserve to forever be held at arms’ length by Emma while Regina gets Emma’s confidence. Henry was able to forgive Emma, who gave Henry up for the same reason Snow gave her up: to give her kid the best chance. Henry and Emma were super close in S1 even before Regina blessed them with false memories of a lifetime spent together. Emma and Snow were super close in S1 too, but as soon as Emma learned Snow was her mother, she’s been mostly emotionally closed off (except to admit to Snow she’d always felt like an orphan). Also, if Emma can have heart to hearts with David about parenting Henry, then I don’t see why Emma can’t have similar discussions with Snow.
All of that! And it’s not like they’re even really taking the time to deal with the distance between Snow and Emma, not since early S3 has it really been addressed, it’s just kinda dropped, like, yeah they’re not super close and that’s that. If there was distance between them and it WAS being addressed, that’d be fine. Have Charming feel a bit stuck in the middle because he IS pretty close with Emma, but she just can’t let Snow in the same way, and how does he deal with that and try to find a way to bring his whole family together. That’d be some good, character driven drama, rather than the evolution of Snow and Emma’s relationship just being ignored.
I do want Emma and Regina to be friends, they share a son, they’re family, and they DO have similarities they can bond over. But I’m not a huge fan of his sudden thing where Emma’s all but begging Regina to be besties when there are so many hurtful things in their history that should really be dealt with before they can get to that place where they’re good friends. Really, if Emma’s having trouble dealing with and relating to Regina, she should go to Snow for advice, considering Snow knows Regina better than Emma does. And now we’re back to the unaddressed and undeveloped rift between Snow and Emma.
