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What I see from fans is that Regina and Rumple are more easily forgiven for their misdeeds and Hook isn’t. But it’s the why I don’t understand. It seems that no matter how hard he tries there is nothing Hook can do that will make up for his past.
Hook doesn’t own and acknowledge that his dark side can be bad.
Rumple knows he’s messed up, he’s called himself a monster, he’s said he’s not worthy of love. Though he keeps succumbing to his (massive) flaws, at least he knows he has them.
I take issue with Regina because she said she doesn’t regret anything she’s done. Like Rumple, she can justify whatever she does, but unlike Rumple, she can’t see that what she’s done is wrong from someone else’s perspective, she just thinks everyone else is wrong. But at least she does realise that people see her as being bad, (even if she’s currently going about the wrong way of trying to fix that by trying to change the Book). And at least she did give Emma and Henry the gift of happy togetherness memories, which showed some self realisation because that was like admitting that she’d helped screw them up in the first place so she wanted to try and fix it.
Hook just thinks that whatever he’s done (or does do) is totes fine and he has nothing to repent for as long as he pops an eyebrow and says something witty. And the thing is, knowing his origin, that he used to be an honourable man, he SHOULD be able to reflect on stuff he does now and have a reference to realise, “Wait up, that’s a crap way for me to behave.” But he doesn’t. Honourable!Sailor!Killian would be disgusted at how Hook abused Belle, an innocent woman, multiple times. But the “apology” we got was really just a question, “Sorry?” If they wanted me to buy that he was really changed, something genuine like, “I apologise, you never did anything against me and I shouldn’t have almost killed you more than once when my beef wasn’t even with you,” (throw in some downcast eyes for good measure) would have been much more believable.
Given where he came from, and that he SHOULD have that frame of reference of what “good form” is, I don’t think he’s beyond redemption, but who he was in that flashback ep hasn’t been reflected in anything we’ve seen since. I’d love to see him struggle with it. When you’ve been a certain way for a couple of centuries I’m sure it’s a really hard habit to break, (I’ve had bad habits for far less time that I can’t break), but we just don’t see him struggle with it and realise that sometimes, in present day, he’s acting less than honourably, (we did see it when he remembered his time with Bae telling him he’ll never change, and then turning the ship around, but we’ve had a whole season since then and no other instances of reflection and change of heart…eventually telling Charming about the Dreamshade cure is an arguable inclusion, but he seemed to have an ulterior motive with that, it wasn’t out of pure goodness of his heart IMO). I’m just not gonna buy that he’s redeemed unless and until we see some of that self realisation which can cause present day change.
[adrotate group="5"]I wonder if it’s one person’s specific job to search through hours of footage of Sven just to get the right nod of his head to fit the dialogue.
One of the things that sold me on the show is the little details that link both worlds. When I saw “Snow” in SB with a blue bird, as well as Snow in FTL with one of her bluebirds, it was perfection. Just little things that are just there. The radio announcer mentioning Rip Van Winkle wanting a song to wake up to in 404 is the most recent example of a little thing like that that just makes me smile.
My point in the above paragraph (I may have rambled a bit) was that I disliked Hook when he was attacking or threatening my favourite characters but liked him or didn’t mind him so much when he wasn’t. How much does Hook’s actions towards certain characters affect how the fandom feels about him?
Rumple’s been my fave since the moment I saw him…and I really enjoyed Hook in “The Crocodile”. I happily called myself a Hooker when he first joined the show. He was doing some horrible things, he was being an *expletive* to characters I loved, but I thought he was an interesting, vivacious new character who shook things up a bit and I was looking forward to seeing more of him. Then…
Once Hook abandoned his seek for revenge at the end of Season 2,
…the moment Hook started going to waste IMO. His exchange with Rumple about how they were dropping the grudge against each other, I remember feeling terribly disappointed with how simple that was for both of them, I may or may not have even rolled my eyes. It felt like they were tossing aside the story they’d established, and so soon after the fabulous flashbacks of Hook and Bae on that very ship too. They’d set up such an emotionally layered past where Rumple/Bae/Hook was concerned and then they did nothing with it.
I enjoyed seeing Hook’s antagonism with Rumple being brought up again in 404. I loved that they had Hook try and stab Rumple with his hook exactly like back in the day, and I love seeing them trade insults and threaten each other. Thank you writers for remembering that these two have a lot of angry baggage between them and it hasn’t just evaporated. (If only this is how they’d handled their interaction BEFORE this though, because where it’s placed in the story now makes me want to veer off on a whole different rant about what they’re doing with Rumple at this point in his (de)evolution.)
One of the big wasted opportunities was Hook and Neal sorting their crap out, because just like Hook and Rumple have angry baggage, so did Hook and Neal. The flashbacks to Hook and Bae on the ship were wonderful, heartbreaking, but wonderful, and Hook toasting to his memory at the very start of S3 was heartbreaking and wonderful…then they did NOTHING with it when Hook and Neal were face to face again. Props to Neal for not holding a grudge, but seriously, there should have been issues, and apologies, and two men coming to terms with their past and seeing if they could be friends now and make up for all the hurt, and how that could have influenced Neal’s growing relationship with Rumple if he also had a growing relationship with Hook. Just, so much wasted character growth potential for all three of them.
Another big wasted opportunity was Hook in Neverland. Captain Hook. In Neverland. And he only spoke to Peter Pan, like, twice? It honestly kind of astounds me that they didn’t explore their past because Hook and Pan is like a major thing but it felt like they couldn’t be bothered with it. Why even take their Hook to NL if they weren’t gonna tell us their version of the Hook/Pan story? I wanted to see Hook’s history in NL, dammit!
So basically, I feel like the potential for the character has gone more and more to waste, and as that’s happened, the negative things he’s done in the past have annoyed me more because it feels like the writers just want us to forget all those things that make him layered and dangerous and interesting, and it pisses me off that they seemed to have rug swept it all and I’ve become more adamant that no, those things DID happen, so can we actually have them acknowledged please. It just frustrates me to no end how they always have him THERE but don’t use him to his actual potential. I just don’t care about him any more, as a result of feeling like the writers don’t really care about who he is and things he’s done and experiences he’s had, so there’s no characterisation for me to invest in, yet the character is still shoehorned into so many scenes. His presence now irritates me more often than not, which is a bummer because like I said at the top, I really used to enjoy him.
Honestly, I feel like Colin does his best work when he’s given darker, morally dubious material to work with. That’s when he seems to be revelling in playing the character IMO, so I wish they’d give him more of that. That’s not to say that the character should be a baddie for forever, but addressing his dark side, (which thankfully they seem to be doing again a bit after having largely ignored it for for a whole season), would allow for some actual internal struggle for him and make a proper character growth arc possible and likely make him interesting to me again.
Apparently there were conflicting reports as to whether Snow Queen was there or if it was someone else? Anyway, picture…
XSlurpeez, I think after reading your posts the last few pages you and I are very much on the same wavelength with all of this. I am trying to rely on general writing tropes and how shows are typically written and not what I want to happen… and looking at things in general terms, I’m waiting for the fall. But there’s no guarantees, of course.
The logical part of me is on that same wavelength with you guys, (Rumple calling a spade a spade was wonderful), but I just can’t get my hopes up only to be disappointed again.
Like, it will be great if Will somehow helps to expose who Hook really is to Emma. But then I’m sure they’d wreck it by having Will say to her, “PS. don’t give up on him, you shoulda seen what a right royal word-that-rhymes-with-snitch my true love was, but she came good again, so there’s hope for Hook too, hang in there with that one.” And then I’ll have to flip all the tables AGAIN.
Concise summary of why the current state of CS is laughable and I can’t believe they expect us to buy into it being a genuine thing…
Hook:*demands that Rumple give him his hand back or else he will reveal Rumple’s lies to Belle*
Hook:*proceeds to lie to Emma about how he got his hand back*
The illustration is definitely the Red Queen. They may have used the wrong book for Emma to hold up, but I’d say that’s just because the general audience are more likely to instantly associate with Alice In Wonderland as opposed to Through The Looking Glass. The illustration is based on illustrations from Through The Looking Glass.
But that red jacket is a big part of her. Remember in 312 when she took it out of the closet like a superhero? It’s very iconic to Emma.
Red is Emma’s power colour, it defines her, the Pilot dress, the leather jacket(s), her NYC coat, her S3 finale ballgown. But apparently her S4 colour is baby poo brown?
