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Emma will end the season still alive. And we’ll see Adult!Henry, who is now a parent himself, we’ll get just enough of a glimpse at his current life to make us wonder how he came to be who he is, and what horrible death befell the parent who is obviously no longer part of his life. Then they’ll tell the remainder of Emma’s story through flashback (allowing JMo to still collect her paycheque without having to be committed full time, and the level of her involvement is what’s holding up the negotiations), as we gradually see the impact she left on Henry (and the family as a whole) as he grew up. Always building up to the big reveal that we’re all desperate to discover…how did the hero parent die.
Because when your show is tanking in the ratings and you’re unsure if it’s gonna get renewed, you rip off the concept of the highest rating show in forever that got renewed for two seasons when its first was only half done.
[adrotate group="5"]THIS IS NOT OK NOPE NOOOOOOOOOO ALL OF THE NOPE!!!!!! WEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
As soon as Nate walked into that autopsy room, I could tell it was him even before they showed his face, so I was like NOOOOOOO OMG DON’T SHOW NATE’S FACE STANDING THERE BECAUSE THAT WILL MEAN, NNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!
And then Nate telling Annalise that Wes was dead BEFORE the fire?!?!?! So he was straight up murdered by someone. SOMEONE MURDERED OUR PUPPY!
OK, so having had several hours to process it all, I am no less upset about it being Wes, (since the start of the show, Annalise has done everything she could to protect him, and now he’s dead, have I mentioned the NOPE of it all?), but I do have a theory about who may have been responsible. The Mahoneys.
They reminded us of them when they showed Annalise burning the files, and would they really have just showed that particular file randomly? Wes had accused the son of killing the father, and the mother was not at all impressed. If she’d investigated Wes to find out what his deal was, she’d have found out that she was her dead husband’s son, and could very well have wanted him dead, because if he stuck around and kept testifying about what he saw the night of the shooting, then eventually it was gonna come out that Wes was his son, and the Mahoney family wouldn’t want that scandal. So they killed him. And probably left him in Annalise’s house as a message to her that they knew stuff about stuff.
I think the fire may have been a separate thing. For that right now, my suspect is Frank, but I haven’t gone back to check the timing of stuff to see if this theory would actually fit yet. Anyway, I reckon after that scene where Bonnie asked him to take the fall, he thought, “Ummmm, how about NO, and here’s what you get for having lied about loving me,” and then he went to tip off the cops about Rebecca’s body, (which he’d been keeping around just in case it came in handy some day), and he knows there’s some evidence on that body that will reveal that Bonnie’s the one who killed her, so he gets revenge on Bonnie for having tried to screw him around. And to make sure his own role in Rebecca, and all the things, could never be found out, he went and blew up the house where it all happened to destroy any potential evidence against him. If he knew that Annalise was sleeping it off at Bonnie’s, it’s a safe bet that no one’s at the house, so no one would get hurt if he burned it.
Except then Annalise made all those calls. And then Laurel showed up. Laurel who is pregnant with Wes’ baby. Wes who died not knowing that there would be a part of him still left to live on. NO ONE TOUCH ME, THIS IS NOT OK!
*flips table then sits on floor and sobs*
Every time I get done watching an ep this season it’s this weird mix or relief and fear as someone else gets crossed off the list, and the list gets shorter!!!
I’m so scared it’s gonna be Wes. Especially now that we know he’s Laurel’s baby daddy, so it’d add to the drama if Laurel finds out she’s pregnant and the father is dead all at the same time. Wes is already wrapped up in a dead father story, so this would be the icing on the cake if he ends up being a father who dies.
The in-show reason is probably Pod Guy.
Yup, they’re totally gonna have her date PodGuy. Which I guess if you’re Kara, it’s the easier relationship option to date someone from your own species, so it makes sense that they’re gonna do that. But the way they got to the point of her being single again was SO abrupt. They even made a point to point out that this ep picked up from last season’s finale without a time jump. Kara told Cat is had only been 12 hours since the new job offer. So to have Kara and James slam into a brick wall THAT fast, just smacked of them going it to force some plot contrivance. *sigh*
Speaking of James, how’s this for a spoiler. Wonder if that’s something they’ve had planned for James’ character since the beginning? Back when everyone was speculating what Diggle’s codename would be, this was right at the top of the list because it made so much sense, but maybe they couldn’t use it for him be because they had it on hold for James?
“Maybe it’s not about how you end things, maybe it’s about how you live them”
I’m so happy Archie is back.
Bless Raphael Sbarge for how he plays this character. Every time he speaks, I can actually imagine him as that little cricket, perched on someone’s shoulder, giving them advice.
All they had to do was in the scene with Ella and Clorinda, have a a line from Clorinda like, “Mother would never let me marry a footman…especially after what happened with Anastasia.” Then have THAT be what sparks the thought in Ella’s head that Cloridna could use the key and go to another world, because hopping through a portal to another world to escape with her love is exactly what Anastasia did. Then in the scene with the portal, give Lady Tremaine a line referencing how she’s not gonna just stand there and let it happen like last time, and then she yanks Clorinda through the portal and follows after her.
Sure, it’s still unoriginal, and they’d be highlighting that fact that they’re rehashing their own story, but if this is the only storyline they could think up, they could still have done it without retconning Anastasia out of existence.
Anastasia fell in love with a man of lowly means. A man she knew her nasty mother would not approve of and would never let her be with, because she wanted her daughters to marry rich. So Anastasia and the man she loved opened a portal to another world in the hope of escaping so they could be together forever.
So they say that NOPE LULZ Ana was never actually Ella’s sister, and then they give another of Ella’s sisters the same story setup they gave Ana. Please writers, stop insulting both your previously established characters and your audience with this nonsense!
I think that Tommy being Prometheus could actually work with where they are thematically right now. Oliver quit killing after Tommy died. Now in the season premiere we see Oliver telling Thea that he basically blames himself and his no killing rule for Laurel’s death, because if he’d just killed Darhk earlier, then Laurel would still be here. So now he’s back to killing again, and we’re delving into the moral dilemma of if killing can be justified or not, a dilemma that was originally raised because of Tommy.
Tommy loved Laurel. Some of his last words to Oliver were asking him if Laurel was safe. So if Tommy were to know that Laurel has died, he’d be pretty pissed. And if he’s come back all crazy, and he’s grieving, and angry, then he’s gonna blame Oliver for Laurel’s death, because he didn’t keep her safe. And Oliver’s already blaming himself for Laurel’s death. So isn’t this whole situation just ripe for some delicious angst?
They’ve always said that this show was originally planned as a 5 season arc showing how Oliver came to be the Green Arrow. Well, if you wanna make the S5 finale feel like a bookend moment for S1, killing Tommy all over again would certainly achieve that. And in the S5 premiere they paid homage to a scene from the Pilot, so it’s maybe not much of a stretch to think that they might repeat that in the finale. Bonus: the scene from the Pilot involved Tommy.
In the S5 ep, Oliver’s been kidnapped, along with other people, and he’s restrained to a chair.
Oliver: If you hit me again, I’m gonna kill you.
Bad guy: You’re delusional. You’re zip-cuffed to that chair.
Oliver: *lifts up his hands then picks up the chair and uses it as a weapon, eventually getting the guy in a headlock and right before snapping his neck* I’m sorry, but nobody can know my secret.In the S1 ep, Oliver and Tommy have been kidnapped, and Oliver’s restrained to a chair.
Bad guy: What did he tell you?
Oliver: He told me, I’m gonna kill you.
Bad guy: You’re delusional. You’re zip-cuffed to that chair.
Oliver: *lifts up his hands then picks up the chair and uses it as a weapon, kills one guy, chases the other one down, and eventually gets him in a headlock and right before snapping his neck*
Bad guy: You don’t have to do this.
Oliver: Yes I do, nobody can know my secret.Now, maybe it’s a bit of a stretch to say that them basically re-inacting a scene that originally involved Tommy, and bad guys in masks, is foreshadowing for how Tommy is now gonna be revealed as a bad guy in a mask. If it were just that one element alone then I wouldn’t put the same amount of stock in it, but when taken along with all that other stuff I’ve rambled about, I’m just sayin’, maaaaybe it might be a thing?
–Mr. Not Green Arrow is also scary
He’s Prometheus, right? Which connects us over to Flash with Dr. Alchemy
They said they’re calling him Prometheus, but apparently he’s not actually based on the comic character Prometheus, they’re just using the name. Most of the speculation I’ve seen is people thinking it’s gonna be undead Tommy. And most of the time I scoff at any suggestion that they’d resurrect Tommy, especially now that Colin Donnell is over on Chicago Med. Buuuuut, I did kinda come up with an idea which I guess is a bit crackpot but might actually make sense?
They never followed up on what Malcolm did with that handful of Vandal Savage ash he pocketed last season. And could the ashes of an immortal sociopath maybe be an ingredient to bring back someone from the dead and have them be evil? And if you brought someone back from the dead using magical ashes, would Promtheus not be a fitting name for them, what with the giving of fire to humankind and all? And at the time that Malcolm took those ashes, he’d been having issues with Thea slipping through his grasp, so maybe he wanted another shot with kid #1 instead?
The big sticking point though is just the logistics of CW being able to borrow Colin from NBC in order to shoot a couple of eps. Though I have to wonder if maybe Colin has a clause in his contract allowing for a couple of Arrow appearances should they need him, considering they have used him a bit even after Tommy’s death?
Giving me Happy Allen family feels and then ripping them away: just another episode of the Flash.
*sobbing forever*
So why don’t Iris and Joe speak? And going along with that, how can Joe and Wally have a relationship but not Iris and Joe? It must be a recent separation, right?
If everything else with their family still played out the same way, up until Wally joined them, then yeah the falling out must be recent. But we don’t know if everything went the same. Maybe Iris reacted differently to finding out her mother had been alive all that time and it caused a rift with her and Joe?
Caitlin’s hand in the promo! Is that because of Flashpoint or does something happen to her?
All I know is I’m excited because it seems like Caitlin’s gonna get a cool storyline this season! Give us all the Killer Frost!!!
What’s up with Cisco and Barry?
In the promo it looks like Cisco’s in some sorta grief couselling?
Where the ever loving HECK is Harrison Wells?! Which ever version!
It was a bummer to not see some version of him in the first ep. But I guess we might still get some insight into his current state depending on what the STAR Labs situation is in ep 2? I believe E2 Harry and Jesse are meant to be back in ep 3?
Dr Alchemy!
This had better end up being the alter ego of Tom Felton’s character. Because Dr Alchemy in the comics uses the Philosopher’s Stone. And you don’t go and introduce a character associated with the Philosopher’s Stone, AND cast a Potterverse actor at the same time and have it be a coincidence.
“This is what love feels like” (I die. Shipper death)
SOULMATES!
Yes I wondered about this as well. Because if RF didn’t kill Wells then he also doesn’t become Wells meaning he doesn’t put in motion everything to make Barry into the Flash. So..? I guess he must have delivered Barry home and then gone back in time to kill Wells and let those events happen?
Well, but Barry still had his powers even in the Flashpoint timeline, even though the particle accelerator explosion didn’t happen to him in the same way it did in his original timeline, so he just brought his powers with him because they’re already a part of him. So, he could still have his powers in the NEW timeline, even if the particle accelerator explosion didn’t happen in that timeline. I think? Original Harrison Wells was still planning STAR Labs and all that stuff, it’s just that his target date was much later, and it wasn’t until Thawne took over as him that it got moved up and the explosion happened. So, original recipe Harrison Wells could still potentially be trucking along with his original plans, and the particle accelerator could not even be built yet, and Barry could still have his powers because they’re a part of him that has gone along with him as he’d hopped through timelines. I…think?
How does Flashbpoint (or the undoing of Flashpoint to be more specific) affect the other shows because over the summer (and a little before) some very weird bits of news were trickled out.
They have mentioned that Flashpoint will have an effect on Diggle’s life in particular. They were vague about it, but whenever they were asked how Flashpoint would impact Arrow, they mentioned it having something to do with Diggle, in particular his family. At the 7sec mark in that promo, is that Diggle holding a kid on the computer screen?
How do we get Supergirl into this Universe? It was established in the SuperFlash crossover that Kara is in a whole other universe. Can the undoing of Flashpoint merge universes?
I don’t think her Earth is being merged into the others just yet? The latest bits of info about the big crossover seem to suggest that they need to go over to her Earth to get her and bring her back to help with the alien threat that will be the big bad for the crossover. So I think maybe Supergirl’s Earth will still be separate, for now, maybe? But then, they’re having another Flash/Supergirl crossover later in the season, and wouldn’t that be easier if her Earth has been pulled into alignment with the other one by then?
They’ve said Arrow’s timeline would be affected but I’m more curious about one Miss Laurel Lance because how? We know Katie Cassidy is coming back and is a regular across all the shows but, well y’know, Laurel DIED last season.
I’m sure they could cook up some way that Flashpoint changed things enough to bring her back. But I’ve also thought how Darhk is gonna be on Legends, and if he dies at some point in the past then he was never around to kill Laurel. But I’m guessing they’re gonna have Sara resist the urge to lop his head off when she sees him in the past, because that makes for some growth for her character to not just give into revenge.
Basically the same as number two except replace Laurel with Captain Cold! But whatever. I just want Lenny and Sara to meet again. #CaptainCanary
I need to see Lenny and Sara encounter each other again like I need air!
How will Flashpoint affect LoT if at all? Those guys hop around time so much as it is that I can’t see it having any real lasting consequence on a team who’s overall story is to move all over time and space.
I would guess it wouldn’t.
