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Emma’s the one who knows about BTTF, not Hook. She knows not to mess history up. But then she steps on a twig.
They even made a point of having her mention BTTF and Marty McFly, so we know that she knows the movies and is thinking about them. And BTTF isn’t the ONLY story in our world about time travel. It’s a generally known thing, if you go back in time, don’t be seen and don’t change stuff!
Also, Emma knows how to blend into situations. We even saw her do it in 3B when she and Regina were on a stakeout. Remaining unseen is an actual skill she knows about because it’s a sometimes vital part of her job. We saw in the Pilot that she was pretending to be someone she wasn’t (she was even wearing a red dress in public while doing it). She should have thought “gotta find some FTL garb so I don’t stick out” all on her own, because playing the part to fool people is something she’s had to do as part of her job.
Emma possessed the necessary knowledge and tools to survive in FTL without getting herself (or anyone else) into trouble, yet they showed her as being kinda clueless and incompetent and needing all sorts of instruction. The only thing she really should have needed help with was the magical device required to get back, and she did realise that Rumple was the one person she should actually seek out and interact with because he did actually have vital knowhow that she doesn’t have herself.
[adrotate group="5"]17) “It’s worth it, I promise.” Yeah, it is. It is.
Your whole list of points about that brief scene is beautiful!
First night with the family in a year & My dad and my brother @MRaymondJames meet for the 1st time. #scotch now pic.twitter.com/9jmcYyjAN4
— Sean Maguire (@sean_m_maguire) June 7, 2014
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I get the impression that shippers are more interested in the destination than the journey.
I think some are, but I think they’re the minority.
Some people would probably look at me and think that I’m so passionate about SF because I just straight up believed they were endgame and now I’m pissed, but that’s not the case. I started shipping SF because of potential I saw in Emma and Neal individually, and having evaluated their journeys thus far, I decided I loved their story together, as well as appreciating them as individuals. If they’d kept Neal alive and had them not end up together, as long as they’d developed each character in a believable way in their own right, it wouldn’t have broken me that they didn’t end up as endgame. I’ve been rather ranty recently on the topic of SF, but the sinking of that ship is just one part of how I believe the writers have made both Emma and Neal OOC as individuals, and that’s what pisses me off the most, because at the end of the day, I just want consistent and believable characters and story across the board.
I didn’t ship Frankenwolf until they had their monster to monster conversation on the dock, and it hit me that those two have that commonality to bond over. Now I can look back at previous scenes they’ve had and it makes me wanna ship them more and think they’d be a perfect endgame, but it was that emotional connection that stems from their individual life experiences that first made me think that their story together would be a beautiful thing with lots of potential. Seeing them continue to grow as individuals would have led to them growing closer to each other, which would have resulted in a believable and strong relationship.
I crackshipped Hookriel hardcore because I’d dreamed up lots of story potential for it, lots of fun “journey” potential for them both, that just so happened to involve a relationship between them.
Romantic relationships are a part of any character’s “journey”, so I don’t think that aspect of the story can be ignored completely. If you’re discussing how a character evolves emotionally, that’s inevitably gonna include the emotional connections they have with others, and in most cases that’s gonna involve romantic relationships as well. But that doesn’t mean that the ship aspect of any character’s journey is their be all end all.
Rightly or wrongly, I do read other people’s posts with their bias in the back of my mind. If I know someone is ship-neutral, I’m less likely to feel defensive if they say something detrimental about my ship/fave character, because I know they’re not being influenced emotionally either way, they’re being more objective. But if I see someone with a known bias saying something, I will naturally assume that their bias is influencing their opinion and it’ll get under my skin more. And rightly or wrongly, I naturally assume that others feel the same about my posts too.
While there were interesting mother-daughter moments with Snow in 2A, after they returned it was like nothing had happened, they seemed to have less connection than ever before.
I recall an interview with Ginny from the last SDCC (I think it was) where she commented that in S2 the action and plot sorta got in the way of Snow and Emma really exploring their relationship. She didn’t flat out say that she was disappointed with how it went, but you could tell by how she said that they were really looking forward to finally delving into their relationship in S3 that she’d been disappointed. Makes me wonder how the actresses feel about how S3 ended up playing out as well.
Snow and Emma could in theory connect even via that share experience of missing out on seeing their child’s first years, though Emma is so lucky to at least now experience Henry turning into a teenager and a set of false memory of raising him, but again, it is like there is nothing. Then there is Bandit Snow, who could share some experience of having to survive while on the run with Emma…
There’s so much potential for a really deep connection and understanding between them. It’s so frustrating that the very people who wrote the story that created that potential are just letting it fall by the wayside instead of really getting into it and showing them develop and grow closer in a real way.
This Snow didn’t give Emma any good feelings or reason to feel like having family with her, a home with her. No, in 3B she even snubs Emma for considering that she might be better of just with Henry and far, far away from all the fairy tale nonsense. Snow, who had no choice when Emma was born, failed her now as a mother and friend.
I can’t really fault Snow for what she said to Emma in that moment. Much of the fandom was frustrated with Emma constantly insisting that she was gonna take Henry and leave, and Snow’s line felt to me like that slap that all of us had wanted to give her to make her at least consider that in taking Henry away still without his memories, she would really be separating the whole family again. There are more people’s feelings to consider in this situation. The way Emma had been so steadfast about leaving had been disregarding her parents’ (and Regina’s) feelings entirely, not even acknowledging that those other people had an emotional stake in her decision, and that’s pretty selfish.
(Speaking of Regina, another point where they really dropped the ball in 3B was the complete lack of discourse between both of Henry’s mothers when Emma was deciding what to do with Henry. All we got was a 2 second reaction shot when Regina found out what Emma had been planning and that was the end of it. While I wouldn’t have wanted a rehash of the tug-of-war over which mother Henry belongs with, Regina did have a very real stake in Henry staying in SB or leaving, and she should have been considered and included in that decision making process. I’m not even someone who thought that Regina was a fit mother when the show began, I don’t think that her real world legal rights hold much water considering the actual situation, but by 3B I was actually feeling a tad indignant on her behalf because she’d been kept in the dark about Emma’s insistence to take Henry away again, and Regina’s developed such that I do now really want her to be present in Henry’s life. And during a time when she and Emma were actually spending time together and working together like never before, Emma still kept this MAJOR thing from her.)
The main character to blame for it not working is IMO Snow, who at least had the experience of having for some of her childhood years a caring mother. Yes, I would expect Snow, who they made a token Gaia, Mother Earth in the pilot, do translate some of her own good family experience to Emma. Well, she did, in season 1 – but somehow that got lost while Snow was cuddling with her Prince Charming wishing and trying for a new baby.
Another case of the writers setting up something with lots of potential and then just tossing it away. We didn’t get an evolution of their relationship from friends to mother/daughter, even though, as you say, Snow actually knows some stuff that really could have helped. Instead we got pretty much instant distance between them, with no real remnant of their S1 friendship, which makes the development of their S1 friendship feel like a bit of a waste of time.
That Emma can’t be the cuddly toddler anymore for Snow is not Emma’s fault.
It’s definitely not Emma’s fault in any way that her own relationship with her parents got so messed up. I think Emma has accepted that it is what it is and she’s the same age as her parents and they just missed out on that phase of their lives together. I recall an interview with JMo where she was asked if Emma resented the new baby in any way, and she said that she’d thought long and hard about that issue from Emma’s standpoint, but in the end she couldn’t come up with any animosity for Emma to have towards the baby. I guess having all those memories of raising Henry now, she can appreciate the phases of a parent/child relationship that her own parents missed out on, and she wants them to get to experience that, and they’re getting another chance, so it’s all good from Emma’s point of view.
So I get that Emma wants her parents to have the do-over. And I also get that her parents want the do-over, and I can’t really fault them for that. But I do fault the writers for brushing aside what could have been a compelling and emotional story in order to do the do-over instead.
So in the end MRJ is still somehow involved with ABC, only under a diferent name.
Dunno if it’s always the case, but I know that actors sign contracts with a network as opposed to just a show. So even if they’re no longer contracted to a particular show, they’re still contracted to the network for a certain period of time. That could be how MRJ got offered this project in particular.
Anyway, it sounds like a great project, and I love that he’s Paul freaking Revere. My first visit to Boston, a friend was showing me around the North End, and we stopped outside Paul Revere’s house, so now I’m all nostalgic and emo.
Hopefully I’ll be able to see the mini series. Pretty sure we have a version of the History Channel here but I don’t have cable (and dunno if shows like this tend to be available at the same places I acquire eps of regular TV shows) so might have to nag a friend to record it for me if it shows here.
PS. WORD to all your comments about Emma being a butchered shadow of her formerly awesome self right now. *SIGH*
Hope they don’t try to drag out the honeymoon phase too long. I couldn’t enjoy the wedding because LIES and I won’t enjoy seeing them happily married because LIES and that sucks because ever since Skin Deep I’ve just wanted Rumbelle to be married and happy. The longer they keep it up that Belle doesn’t know, it’s gonna make her look dumb (which she isn’t!) and it’s gonna increase my disappointment in Rumple (who I have always adored). The truth needs to come out ASAP, Belle needs to be angry as hell, throw the ring and Dagger of LIES at him and leave, and they need to address the emotional upheaval and resolution of it all in a believable way. If they just brush over it all, then I may be the one throwing things.
