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I almost never post here though I ship the railings off of SwanFire from now until the very end and beyond. All I have to say is one thing before I go back to my beautiful wickedness (or should I say beautiful weirdness?) and that one thing is this: Hook will never be Emma’s Talahassee. I respect if A&E put them together, fine, but as far as I’m concerned destiny, fate, whatever you would like to call it ordained Emma and Neal to end up together, over centuries. So shove that in your face hole and eat it, ABC! *poofs out of SwamFire thread*
Forces beyond their control conspired such that they met and fell in love, drawn together across time and different worlds, and that love survived even after years spent apart and a tonne of heartbreak. No one can tell me that they weren’t destined for each other!!!
(I have this image of Nyx popping up in the water fountain in the writers’ room, and girlfriend is pissed that they’ve tried to change someone’s fate.)
[adrotate group="5"]Yes Phee, that’s what I said.
But what does that have to do with motivating Rumple’s decision to drink or not to drink? He doesn’t give a crap about anything except finding his son. He doesn’t give a crap if other people’s lives are affected (or if they don’t even get born, like the example of Henry), just as long as at some point in time, he finds Bae. That was his singular focus at that point in time.
Also, I will add it’s a little too convenient of the writers to have Emma say, “don’t let Neal’s sacrifice be in vain” by letting Neal remain dead. Yet, Rumple scarified himself to save his son, but then the writers let Rumple’s sacrifice be in vain. It’s inconsistent, at best.
Yup! More useful information for her to reveal would have been, “After you found him, you sacrificed yourself to protect him from your father. Then he tried to bring you back and unknowingly gave his own life in the process.” Let Rumple stew on that. Then have him keep his memories, knowing that he’ll give his life to protect his son from someone he knows is completely terrible, but that it’s a sacrifice he knows he must make. And keeping his memories would allow him to take precautions so that HIS sacrifice stuck, so that it truly meant something, so that he could really be redeemed one day and find some peace, along with forgiveness from his son.
@ Phee. I’m sorry you had to go through that. I could relate to that with a similar story. I encountered a guy when I was younger during a volunteer program. He started following me around. Being friendly, doing nice things for me. And I was grateful but it was clear that he was doing those things because he liked me, but I wasn’t interested in him.. I made clear signs that I wasn’t that interested without trying to be mean and tried to excuse myself when he was present. But he still stuck to me like glue, trying to volunteer at the same stations as I was. It just got very uncomfortable but I didn’t want to hurt his feelings since he was being nice. But finally it just was too much and I had to let him down. Needless to say he didn’t take it too well. Visibly look upset at me whenever I was around him. Made me feel bad because his emotions where all over the place, even other volunteers started to see. But it’s just another reason why Hook’s approach towards Emma doesn’t sit well with me. Because he had that same obsessive personality as the man I encountered and kept stepping over Emma’s personal space, kept pushing, kept doing nice things expecting something in return. And we are being taught to give in. Who knows what Hook will do if Emma did actually reject him. He went from rampaging revenge to chasing Emma, to probably drinking himself to death and Emma being blamed for driving him towards it. It’s just not right for a show to portray these things as “romantic”.
Since being reminded that this guy exists, I’ve gotta wonder if my (and my friend E’s) previous encounters with him have been lurking in the back of my mind, helping to inform why I’ve found Hook’s behaviour so wrong, and Emma’s eventually giving in to him so shudder worthy. The feeling of unease when there’s someone acting like that towards you, it’s just icky with a tinge of creepy, (and I know in some cases it can escalate to being legit creepy). I’m hoping he gets the message without me having to confront him blatantly about it, because confrontation ain’t my strong suit at all.
One of the most frustrating things as an analytical viewer is that so many other viewers seem to accept whatever ad hoc explanations are given to try and skirt around “the rules” previously established on the show.
Wanted to yell PREACH several times during that post. Was just listening to a different podcast and was stunned by how they were so blindly accepting everything as being 10000% perfect, barely questioning a single thing, even though there were things that were so obviously off, (like the stuff with Rumple you mentioned). Makes me wanna tear my hair out sometimes.
The wand got left on the floor at Rumple’s place. But the question is how/when did he get it from Blue, and how/when did Blue get it back from him, because in SB: “The Blue Fairy exiled her, but before she did, she took her wand.”
I think if Rumple hadn’t drunk the memory potion, he could up screwed up time further. Think about, what if he found Bae before he met Emma? Henry would not exist and Emma would not have a reason to go to Storybrooke and everything that’s happened for the past three seasons would not have happened.
If Rumple found Bae before he met Emma then Rumple wouldn’t care. Until very recently, the ONLY thing he cared about in life was finding his son, so as long as that happened, that’s all that matters. If Rumple found Bae beforehand, he’d need no Curse, so there’d be no SB, and no need to have someone come to SB to break the Curse so Rumple could find Bae, because he’d already found him, so Emma would be a non-entity in Rumple’s point of view.
On the other hand at the same time the made it a tragic love story, not only that Aurora and Philip are a more or less a set true love pairing (thanks to the Disney movie), but they made Aurora even pregnant. I still wonder why they did the latter, because in my view it served this season only one purpose, to make absolutely sure that Mulan and Aurora as pairing are no option, as if Aurora and Philip being classical Disney pairing wasn’t already enough.
Safe to say that is indeed the only reason they made Aurora pregnant. They may have used the pregnancy as a minor plot point in 3B when Zelena threatened it to keep Philora in line, but they could have achieved her threatening them some other way, didn’t have to be an unborn child. Though, by the time they devised the pregnancy plot device, I’m guessing they’d have already known that neither Sarah or Jamie would be available long term, due to their new shows. Perhaps they would have explored it more, and not had the plot device pregnancy if both actresses (and Julian who plays Philip) would have been available, but instead they had to shut that story potential down? Guess we’ll never know for sure.
As it stands, SleepingWarrior does just feel like a half hearted attempt to placate a section of the fandom. They can rectify that if they’re sure to snag Jamie now that she’s available (she’s doing an indie film in Hong Kong, which I guess she’s working on right now because she tweeted about Hong Kong a couple of hours ago. And she’s rumoured to be doing a voice for an animated movie, but I dunno how much time that eats up out of her schedule, not as much as a live action movie would, I assume?). I’d say pretty much everyone would love to see more of Mulan in her own right. The number of tumblr posts I saw about it when she was just missing from the Merry Men in 3B with no explanation. Everyone wants to know what’s up with her.
Thanks RG, Heather and Ranisha. I did consider replying that he had the wrong number, but then if he shows up at another game and is all, “I must have got your number wrong, what is it again?” then I’m in even deeper crap. *HEADDESK* He’s not an intentionally creepy or malicious type, I think he’s just legit clueless about what’s an acceptable way to behave and he can’t take a hint.
Corbin, I am so sorry you had to deal with that person. CSers have a few standard arguments that instantly get my hackles up, and that “he’s ALWAYS been there for her” is one of them. Did they all miss the bit where he left her in a cage to die? Or the bit where he sailed off with their last bean, leaving Emma to likely die then too? Some people need to check their facts and check themselves. Try not to let them get to you Corbin, but I know it’s REALLY hard to not reply with actual logic and facts a lot of the time.
RG, just finished listening to the podcast, and you’re my favourite, thanks for representing once again. *COOKIES*
Little real life story…
My parents and I have season tickets to the football. Over the years, the group of people we sit with regularly each season has dwindled and changed. There used to be a guy who sat with our group, let’s call him R. There also used to be a girl who sat with our group, let’s call her E. R would constantly hit on E, ask her out, txt her, no matter how many times she shot him down and tried to make it as clear as day that she wasn’t interested. Eventually he more or less got the hint, and had a few tries at hitting on me instead. I never showed ANY interest, and in fact did my best to convey that I was DISinterested. I never socialised with him outside of football games. Neither E nor R sit where we do any more, they don’t have season tickets now. It all happened almost a couple of years ago now, and frankly I’d almost forgotten that R even existed. Until he popped up at half time in tonight’s game to say hey.The seating was such that there was me, then a spare seat (where dad usually sits), then mum, and the people next to her had got up to go get food or whatever at half time, so he sat down next to mum and proceeded to chat. I gave him a half wave, then went back to playing on my phone, doing my utmost to ignore him so as not to give him any ideas. Half way through the convo, he’s talking about a couple of the people we used to sit with who have now moved away, and he casually goes, “I’ve lost everyone’s numbers, can I have yours again?” to me. And because I didn’t want to make an awkward scene in front of my mother and everyone else still in their seats, I (foolishly) gave him my (actual) number. *slaps self*
As half time was ending, he got up to leave, and he hugged my mum, then moved in to hug me. I made it as half hearted as possible, barely even touching him, but he still managed to get in a peck on my cheek and “I’ll call you soon.” As soon as he was out of earshot I groaned and lamented to mum how now I’ll hafta change my phone number.
He had said that he was sitting up in the nosebleeds, and we sit in the very front row. So for the second half of the game, I felt uneasy, like he could be peering down at me. After the game, mum always makes a bathroom stop, and I usually just wait outside, but tonight I went in, lest R be waiting around, because I really did not want to see him again. Before I’d even got home from the game, I had a txt from him saying he’d definitely be coming to another game soon and it was great to see me. I haven’t replied. I’m not going to. I want to keep making it clear that I have no interest (honestly, even if he was totally hot, I wouldn’t be at all interested, because this guy knows my ex husband, or knew him, I honestly don’t know if they’re both part of the same online community still). But the fact that even after a couple of years of not seeing him, he’s just trying AGAIN right out of the blue, it’s honestly a bit creepy and it making me super uneasy.
And I’m guessing I don’t have to explain the ick factor or why I’m venting about it in this particular thread. I’m pretty sure you all get me when I say how URGH I feel about this.
This has been suggested in one of the Elsa threads too. They’ve certainly set up the possibility to go that way, though they’d have to explain why Elsa’s name changed and why Anna doesn’t exist, because people will be expecting a sister named Anna (which is why there’s also been speculation that Elsa could be Ana’s sister), not a brother named Will.
