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“It’s time we get a real place, we’ve been on the road long enough. It’s time we retire the Bonnie and Clyde act. I’m serious, we could do this.”
source[adrotate group="5"]Thank you, Phee, for helping me figure out how I can cope with continuing to watch the show! It’s always been very difficult for me to give up on stories I once loved even when they get really silly; I’m, unfortunately, just in too deep with OUAT lol
Glad to be of assistance. We can live in blissful delusion together! LOL
Hook’s line in the finale (3×21), “One of these days, I’m going to stop chasing this woman.” Neal wouldn’t have ever said that. Neal would’ve let go the minute Emma did, because he loved her wholeheartedly. No snark needed.
I hated that line. Because it means that she was running and suddenly Savior-I-killed-a-freaking-dragon Emma Swan became a thing to be caught. Like a wild animal.
If I hadn’t already known the ending when I got to watching it, I’d have considered that foreshadowing that Hook was gonna grow up and back off. But nope. In the end, their inclusion of that line only serves to enhance how he eventually wore her down. Which is gross.
What are they talking about this is EXACTLY how it HAPPEN!
http://swanfireheart.tumblr.com/post/85660477646/so-how-about-that-drink-tallahassee-baby
Oh, what could have been! This would have been perfect!
You know who would’ve been the right person? Neal, would’ve been, as Henry’s father and as the son of Rumple. Emma and Neal could’ve talked about their lives in NYC and how great it was, but then Neal could’ve told Emma about his own reconciliation with his dad. Neal could’ve been the one to help reconcile with her own parents. Neal could’ve talked about the importance of family, and how he’d always wished he’d had it and he wished that for Henry. Even aside from their own potential romantic reconciliation, Emma and Neal both had multiple ties to SB. Neal being the one would’ve just made sense, since he was the one who told her about missing home in the first place.
*sobbing because of how accurate this is* They even touched on it in the scene on the boat as they were about to leave NL, when Emma watched Neal reconcile with Rumple. THEY WERE ALREADY LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR THEM TO BOND OVER THIS STUFF SO WHY DID THEY JUST TRASH ALL THAT POTENTIAL?!?!? *tears out hair*
I’m taking a ride on the conspiracy train, back to the Tent of Doom, after MRJ nodded to on the Waterfront–a story about a guy forced to lose a fight because of corruption and unfair dealing.
I can’t blame you for being on that Conspiracy Train. MRJ choosing to ad-lib the nod to that movie does feel like it would be a bit of a middle finger to events that saw Neal written out.
More than that though? I don’t think they do have deep plans. I think it was disturbing in the last interview when they talked about how they felt like taking another toy off the shelf so now we get Frozen. I felt this moment I do with my children–NO, put the other toys away FIRST, then take another! That’s why their story is off kilter, they are like children grabbing at the shiny stuff, and while at first there’s fun and whimsy in that, eventually its chaotic and contradictory, because there’s a lack of cohesion in the story.
Yeah that comment made me groan as well. I know they’ve used the “we have so many toys to play with” line before, and it didn’t bother me in those other instances, but in this particular case it just smacks of “OOOOO SHINY TOY WANT TO PLAY NOOOOOWWWWWW” and it just bugs that they can be so easily convinced to sway the story in a new direction.
Yet it won’t be TOLD on screen why Robin and Marian suddenly mean zip to each other. And the way it is written, they will probably be used as proof that even if Neal lived, that Emma wouldn’t have wanted to be with him. I’m sure she’ll end up saying that more or less.
I’m bracing myself for that. It’s sad that I have to emotionally detach myself from Emma who was once one of my fave characters, just so I can get through seeing how everyone else’s stories play out. That’s how I’m gonna have to watch S4, detached from Emma, just letting her do whatever and writing her off as not being relevant. I fear it’s the only way I’ll get through each ep without wanting to break things.
I was typing something larger on transit this morning and this part started happening. I don’t know yet if/where it will fit in the larger scheme of what I was writing, but I felt like sharing this now in case it turns into nothing.
I bought into the potential of their beautiful love story because I don’t have one of my own. I bought in to mantra of hope and happy endings because I live in fear everyday that I won’t get one of my own. I loved Neal and Swanfire for so many reasons, but among them being that I don’t need or want an epic love story with a charming and daring rapscallion or prince. I just want a solid love story, one that feels true down to my bones. I don’t need adventure, I just want home. I want to be with someone who’s arms feel safe, who is my equal. I want a love story with forgiveness and patience. I want to know that however we are separated, by time or by distance, that fate will bring us together again. It will take work, but we’ll be stronger for it in the end, and it will make us better people.
I have never seen a relationship on TV, a connection closer to what I want than Swanfire, and all the things it had the potential of being. Swanfire may not have gotten a chance to see through all these possibilities, but there was so much potential, so many ways it could have played out. Swanfire was my hope and my escape, but it is a story that will remain without the end I was so hoping for. It makes me look at my own life and wonder if that hope for a love story, that hope for a happy ending will be just as unfulfilled.
This is beautiful, and sad, but such a perfect and beautiful explanation of the appeal of SF, and how it could inspire people. *HUGS*
Speaking for myself, I was in love once, I was married, I took it for granted that we would have a forever future and a happy ending. Then I ended up on the receiving end of “I love you, but I’m not in love with you,” (*barf*) and all the love, all the hopes, all the dreams, all the extended family, went *POOF* outta my life. Since then I’ve come to envy couples who go the distance, who get that dream I used to have of sharing a lifetime with someone and growing old with them, no matter the obstacles along the way. But I didn’t envy SF, instead they just made me appreciate that kind of enduring love. I didn’t begrudge them for having it, I wasn’t bitter, instead I was elated for them that they still had it, and it was a beautiful and powerful thing and it just made me happy that that kind of love exists. But I guess at the end of the day, enduring love doesn’t really matter and the happy ending still can’t happen. Oh well. *sigh*
(though I’m admittedly bamboozled as to why Rumple would have it when they have to get it from Blue in 3×11)
For real. Didn’t they say that Blue banished Black? So it made sense for Blue to have her wand. Are we supposed to believe that Rumple somehow managed to wrangle something that powerful away from Blue? And then she somehow got it back? I’d almost rather that they’d invented a brand new magical plot device to reopen the time portal, instead of making it this.
I don’t know how Blue goes about naming her buddies, but I can’t imagine anyone naming Elsa Black, with her decidedly glacial palette. I suppose we’ll see in the Fall.
Well Elsa did have black in her previous costume before she went glacial, I suppose?
i’m pretty sure that the black fairy was probably Maleficent but they wont do the spin on that till after the new movie comes out
Since we learned that the Black Fairy was a thing, I’ve wanted her to be Maleficent, who actually WAS a fairy in the original story, so it would be a good fit. When she lost her wand, she got herself that staff instead to weild magic with. The more time that passes without us seeing more Maleficent, the less I’m convinced we’ll see her again, though I believe the actress is now available and S4 is already the season for cashing in on movie success, so if they were gonna bring her back at any point, this might be it.
Corbin, I’m so sorry for what you’ve been through. *SUPER MASSIVE HUGS* Though some may leave this place, rest assured there will be those who stay. This forum has become like a home to me as well over the last couple of years, which is a contributing factor to why I can’t ditch the show.
I have a feeling that Marian’s destiny is an early death. I won’t be shocked at her dying early this next season. But even if that happens, would you respect Robin if after the funeral he’s looking at Regina and saying “how about a drink?” I know that’s exaggerating and would never happen, but he can’t go from funeral to courting. There is a reason people have grieving periods. It’s needed. I’m not saying there is a set time period. But it can’t be a few weeks, imo.
One would think. But have you met Emma Swan? If she doesn’t require a believable post-funeral grieving period, neither would Robin. This show doesn’t have time for that.
I have the urge to tweet Adam, asking if he’d be fine with a guy like Hook being the partner of his daughter. He’d probably go off at me for having brought his kids into it, but I just don’t know how else to effectively spell it out and make him see how problematic it is that Emma did a 180 and fell for Hook. Like, you would expect that they would only want the best for their heroine, who they created, just like they’d only want the best for their actual children, who they created. But apparently it’s cool if a guy calls you dried up and useless, leaves you to die in a cage, persists with romantic attempts despite being told to back off numerous times, and spies on you through a telescope from across the road. I’d like to think that if a guy behaved that way towards Adam’s daughter, he wouldn’t exactly consider him prime son-in-law material, so why isn’t the standard the same for who Emma is in a relationship with?
I think there’s a difference between knowing that someone did bad things to strangers, and knowing someone did bad things to someone you love. When it hits that close to home, it’s harder to overlook and/or forgive, so I’d expect to see that happen with Robin and how he looks at Regina once he learns that she had his wife in particular as a prisoner and was intending to execute her. Doesn’t really matter that it didn’t end up happening (in the altered timeline…I think it more than likely did happen in the original timeline, fate’s cruel way of eliminating the person standing between Regina and her fated soulmate), the fact was, it was her intent, and if I were in Robin’s shoes, I wouldn’t be able to look at Regina the same way again after learning this new information.
I’ve never watched Wonderland but tumblr referenced some time travel story lines. Have then established any time travel rules on Wonderland?
WL didn’t have time travel. They broke the laws of magic which dictate that you can’t bring someone back from the dead, can’t make someone fall in love, and can’t change the past, but there was no time travel.
