[Phee]

I don’t really have the words to describe how totally wrong this turn of events was, but several of you have said it perfectly. Urgh, he’s just right back at square one, only this time he turned the person into a statue and shattered them instead of turning them into a snail and stepping on them. And it makes no sense because he’d learned and grown so much. *sigh*

This is another thing to add to the list of “bad crap that wouldn’t have happened if Zelena didn’t exist”, which keeps me wondering if she’s gonna somehow get taken care of in the PAST instead, before she has a chance to wreak all of this havoc. Present day Rumple, with his character growth, knew that it was wrong and did it anyway. Past!Rumple who had far less of a conscience, if he found out via timey wimey means about the future, he’d have no qualms about hunting her down and killing her in the pre-Curse days.

Of course, even if that did happen, it’d be small consolation because Rumple still made that choice to lie to Belle, betray what Neal would have wanted, and killed her in present day. Even if the events change, that’s still a decision that he made at one point in time. I hope Belle tears him a new one when she finds out.

[Phee]

Yeah I remembered that from Rumple’s dream, but I mean how the crumbs of Zelena poofed and wafted away, reminded me of how Maleficent was re-forming into that whatever thing from being dust when Hook was fighting her. Like maybe the pendant keeps Zelena “alive” in a different form, like Regina’s spell did for Maleficent.

[Phee]

textbookone, I actually think that idea about how Snow chose the name Emma might be a thing they would do.

PS. So Hook and Emma are the ones responsible for Rumple’s curtains being wrong? It’d be nice to have someone to officially blame for that one. 😛

[Phee]

*blush* 😉

[Phee]

As for the BTTF stuff I don’t know if I want Hook wiped from existence. No one would have saved Balefire then, right? He would have drowned in NL? Or…actually…Milah never would have run away with him so Rumple never becomes the Dark One, meaning Bae is never lost, meaning he never meets Emma, meaning Henry is never born

Well if they’re gonna run into Past!Hook back during the time of Snow Falls, I’m gonna guess he was already back from NL by that point, so everything in NL and before, still happened. It’s just that Hook was actually in FTL for longer than we’ve assumed, pre-Curse, and Snow Falls is the point in time when he’d cease to exist.

[Phee]

This is a show where “true love’s kiss is the most powerful magic of all.” And yet, when Emma put her lips on Hook’s, it did the complete and utter opposite. It removed the magic of “true love incarnate.” How immensely WRONG must the relationship be in order for that to happen?!

For real. She didn’t even have to be feeling anything like TL in order for her kiss to put a dent in Graham’s cursed brain, it just happened. But her lips touched Hooks and it took all her powers away. Dayum.

I did, however, enjoy Charming calling Hook can(n)on fodder.

I did like that line, though I also did feel kinda sorry for him in that moment, because it really must suck to have someone say so casually that you can be a moving target if necessary. But redemption arcs aren’t meant to come easy, and Hook’s WAS coming too easy, so it’s warranted for him to hit a few bumps on his way down Redemption Road.

The comment “Hook sticking with Emma despite her verbal abuse is real love” is just plain wrong on so many levels.

1. Emma is not being verbally abusive. She has “her father’s tact”. She’s very blunt and to the point and calls a spade a spade (shovel might be the American term but they’re the same thing). True when the guy is standing right next to her, she might not want to be so blunt about how she’d never kiss him, but the point is she doesn’t do it intentionally and she doesn’t do it to deliberately dent Hook’s self-esteem.

2 If Emma was being “verbally abusive” to Hook (she’s not) then why would you support that type of relationship calling it “real love”? Surely you’d be encouraging Hook to find someone who doesn’t treat him like that, not encouraging him to stick around and take it?

THIS.

[Phee]

To elaborate on my last musing about what could happen in the finale, because I just had a little lightbulb moment…
Because time travel isn’t a thing that Past!Rumple could necessarily help Emma with, how’s she gonna get back to the future? Solution: kill Zelena in the past, thus undoing the event that landed Emma and Hook in the past in the first place, (along with everyone else Zelena has been responsible for). Theory: A cyclone picks up Emma while she’s in the past, takes her to Oz, where she fulfills the prophecy of the one who was destined to kill the WW. Basically, she’s Dorothy2.0 but this time Zelena actually dies. Emma goes to see the Wizard, who this time IS actually de-Monkiefied Walsh because Zelena is actually dead. He gives Emma the slippers, who uses them to go “home”. Which is SB, with her family, so her wish with the slippers *poofs* everything and everyone back from FTL to SB because magical plot devices fix everything.

Oh, and if we’re gonna assume that they’re using BTTF logic as inspiration, (which is likely), in the words of Doc Brown: “I foresee two possibilities. One, seeing herself thirty years in the future would put Jennifer into shock and she’d simply pass out. Or two, the encounter could create a time paradox. The results of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space-time continuum and destroy the entire universe!… Granted, that’s the worst-case scenario. The destruction however might be limited merely to our own galaxy.” Now, granted, the latter didn’t actually end up happening, but BTTF teaches us that encountering one’s own self in a different time could lead to bad stuff happening.

FWIW: “Old Biff Tannen, after stealing the DeLorean time machine and giving Grays Sports Almanac to his 1955 self, returned to the 2015 and seemed to have endangered his own existence, collapsing in pain after he climbed out of the DeLorean. Director Robert Zemeckis cut footage that showed Biff being “erased from existence” following his collapse, after pre-release screenings suggested that it would be confusing enough to distract from the plot.” (source)

From the promo we know that Hook will interact with the past version of himself. Like Biff did. And in the original plan, Future!Biff was gonna be wiped from existence because of it. I’m not saying it’s a sure thing, I’m just saying, this is a thing that A&E would be aware of, and if it’s an idea that ended up on the BTTF cutting room floor, maybe they’d be tempted to pick it up and use it themselves. Perhaps.

[Phee]

I missed the first 15 minutes of the episode, so I’ll take your word on this, but um, WHAT?

To tide you over until you get to do the re-watch…

Henry: *looking at the paper*
Archie: Are you keeping up on current events?
Henry: No, I’m looking at the classifieds.
Archie: Oh. Little young for a job, aren’t you?
Henry: I’m actually looking at apartments. MM’s place will be crowded after the baby, and I’ll be back and forth from Regina’s, but Emma, she can’t sleep in her car.
Archie: No, not comfortably. *adorably bumps Henry’s shoulder* It’s really good to see you Henry. Missed you.
Henry: Me too. *goes back to looking at the paper* Maybe a place by the water. With a view.
Archie: Ya know, have you spoken to Emma about this, about staying in SB?
Henry: What’s to talk about? We’re home.

[Phee]

*points at DSB’s post* ALL OF THAT! Well said.

[Phee]

Has Emma friend-zoned him?

Dude was friend-zoned ages ago, it’s only now he’s actually realising it.

I’m convinced after he’d killed Zelena, Rumple went back home to Belle (who was probably asleep), swapped the fake dagger back for the real one, then settled back down into bed with her.

I don’t give a crap if that’s what he did after, because it doesn’t change the fact that he lied to her, betrayed the trust he was talking about in the moment he knew he was deceiving her, and did something he knew she wouldn’t approve of. There’s no excusing what he did IMO.

As far as the promo is concerned, I think that Emma and Hook will inadvertently screw up Snowing getting together, that ball is the Charming/Abigail wedding, and the only reason Emma and Hook are there is because they’re trying to change events to ensure that Emma actually ends up still existing in the future. I reckon she’ll go to Rumple for help, and because he won’t believe her, she’ll tell him about Neal, in particular his childhood and how Rumple let him go over the portal, in a bid to prove who she is. She may also have to reveal to him the full truth of what ended up happening to Neal. Present day Rumple may not have believed in changing events to bring Neal back to life, but I’d say there’s a pretty good chance that Rumple of the past would find a way to help Emma that included a clause that ensured Neal wouldn’t give up his own life for him in the future. That might be where our opportunity for a Neal comeback could come from.

[Author]

Posts