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Both of these things happened; they just weren’t permanent.
If the price doesn’t stick, the the price hasn’t really been paid. If I go to buy something and hand over the money and they say, “this one’s on me” and hand it back, then I got the thing for free. Snow cast the Curse for free.
Both of those instances involved science rather than magic.
Both of those instances involved using a magically removed heart.
That doesn’t really violate anything that they’ve previously established, though, and is really not all that different from what was done on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland with the water from the Well of Wonders resurrecting Anastasia.
The Well of Wonders is it’s own, whole, separate thing. I don’t correlate it with the heart splitting situation. We had previously established heart lore that they messed with. We had previously established magic water lore that says it can bring back what was lost, and the Well of Wonders bringing someone back to life fits with that just fine.
[adrotate group="5"]I am wondering how come neither of the Charmings realised how selfish it was to curse the entire realm to save their child. Sure, they had the right to protect their baby, but to drag everyone in the Enchanted Forest (including people from other kingdoms) into their fight? That seems close to what a villain would do (e.g. what Regina said about everything else being collateral damage).
Not only is it reminiscent of Regina, but also to Rumple’s motivation for the Curse in the first place. I adore Rumple, I think he’s magnificent, but there’s no denying that he uprooted the lives of a whole lot of people just for the sake of his son. And while doing things for the sake of your children can be argued as acceptable motivation, you can still do things for the sake of your children without screwing up the lives of thousands of innocent people.
They weren’t casting the Curse just to ‘save their unborn child’; they were casting the Curse in order to get back to the one person who could stop someone who was threatening their entire existence and the existence of every other person in the Enchanted Forest, including their unborn child.
They needed Emma to defeat Zelena. They did not necessarily need to take Zelena to Emma, if they’d thought about it for a minute, they’d have realised that they could have looked for a way to bring Emma to them instead. That would still get Emma in the right place to defeat Zelena, without having to Curse the whole kingdom.
As far as the writers’ tossing out their established rules’, I really fail to see how they did anything of the kind,
To cast this Curse, someone has to die, you have to sacrifice the thing you love most, and in the end, no one died, no sacrifice was really made.
They invented a new rule that you can split a heart in two to bring back someone from the dead, and they did so out of pure convenience, (why haven’t we seen anyone do that before?) which just makes it a plot device to get around their own rules so they could have the Curse but not having Charming die.
They have previously shown that having someone else’s heart in your body does NOT flawlessly resurrect a person. They have shown this TWICE, with Daniel and Gerhart. According to their own rules, Charming should not be walking around just fine like he hasn’t been altered at all by having Snow’s actual heart inside him, keeping him alive.
Due to my height, I never wear heels, and generally it’s funky heels that are fun shoes to shop for, (though a friend of mine does have a pair of sequin covered super glittery flats that she got at a fairy shop which are FABULOUS), so I don’t get the whole obsession with shoes that’s stereotypical for my gender.
So I’m gonna side with condiments. And now I’m craving a hotdog.
The inclusion of John and exclusion of Walsh are both curious. John could always be in flashback, but not having the Wizard involved at all when you’re telling Dorothy’s story seems odd.
If I look at it through a lens of reality I guess I can see why so many of you are upset.
We’re not looking through a real world lens, we’re looking at it as them messing around with rules the writers have created within their own universe. To cast the Curse, one must die. All magic comes with a price, and none moreso than this particular Curse.
When constructing a fantasy universe, you need to establish rules that govern that universe, and they have done so on this show. Because it’s a foriegn universe to us, those rules are necessary to establish it as being a believable world. If you then toss those rules out the window, like they did here, your story loses credibility.
I think it’s too late for that. If they wanted to kill Neal to advance CS, they needed to start building it immediately. At this point, they have three episodes. It’s not enough to believably get from where they are now to TLK/proposal (which is necessary for Emma in 322 if they want to bookend the season.)
The rate the story has been moving, 3B has only covered maybe a week or so. Even if they go back in time, they’ll probably only be there for a day or so before things get switched back. And right now Emma is at “I can’t trust you” with Hook, so even if they did another “1 year later” jump at the end, there’s still not enough time for Emma to believably go from “I can’t trust you” to “hey hotstuff how about it” before a 1 year time jump to make their 1 year later relationship be believable.
And I know that people often say that Emma doesn’t NEED a romantic TL to be happy, but let’s be real, she’s their own invention of a fairytale princess, so she’s gonna end up with a romantic TL. And right now they have no guarantees beyond S4, so the endgame relationship for their herione has to be a thing they’re already working towards. And like I said, they do NOT seem to be working towards CS being grand and romantic and trustworthy TL.
They HAVE laid groundwork for SF being established as those things though, they’ve even gone so far as to give them the TL label, via the necklace. If they brought Neal back at the end of S3, they’d have that guaranteed S4 to continue developing the progress of SF in a natural, believable way. Give them TL-team moments, (like when Belle helped Rumple to give them the Glinda info), and then by the end of S4, if they don’t get S5, at least they’ve cemented the love story of their herione. If they DO get a S5, then just throw a new challenge at them and have them continue to grow together.
Back to S3, and a big TL moment for Emma in the finale would absolutely bookend the season perfectly, considering 3B started with her almost but not quite getting engaged to the guy who was lying to her about his true nature. Saying it like that makes Walsh sound an awful lot like Hook, huh. So if they wanna bookend it with a contrasting GENUINE TL moment, it really should be with a guy she knows inside out and knows she can trust, someone who has proven himself as wanting the same things she does. And that’s exactly who Neal is.
Basically, I guess this was a long winded way of saying that all things considered, the most logical choice for the story to progress in a believable way involves the guy who is currently dead coming back.
But how will they defeat her without Emma, Phee? She goes back with them and Henry is sent to NYC on his own?
Emma can do whatever and go wherever, she’s uber magical, so there will always be a magical loophole where she’s concerned, and where she goes, Henry goes. He can stay with Neal in FTL while his mums go off to take care of Zelena.
And at some point in the alternate timeline, they have to stop Zelena. Otherwise, it is an endless loop of curses back and forth, Groundhog Day-style. Someone has to have the wits about them, the memory required, to do what it takes to prevent the cycle from starting yet again. And in that case, why can they (assume: Emma) not stop Zelena before ANY of this happened, thereby avoiding Neal’s death altogether?
Yes, that’s my theory for what will ultimately happen, they’ll go back to the point in time when they landed in FTL at the start of 312, and this time defeat Zelena straight up, to avoid all the havoc she was responsible for setting in motion.
Been crafting inside the optimism tent:
So pretty!
If there is a random bean somewhere in the EF and our heroes didn’t seek it out but instead cast a DARK CURSE then I am going to join @Corbin in table flipping.
Doesn’t even have to be a bean, even if it’s just a case of Hook fashioning the JR into a portal because enchanted wood, that’s still worth a table flip, because the others knew that that ship was enchanted wood. They instantly decided there was no other way to get to Emma, and no matter what method Hook used, if there WAS another way, that means the whole hot mess of Snow casting the Curse was avoidable.
We have lots of time travel references.
Neal presumably wrote down a message to Hook to warn Emma right. Well, how the heck did Neal know where Emma lived? Last thing he knew, she and their son were driving away to who knows where.
This is why I thought it made sense that Hook cast the Curse, coerced by Zelena, because if anyone knew Emma’s exact location, it was Zelena, because Walsh was with Emma. As far as we know, no one else knew where Emma was, I’m guessing Regina didn’t pick an exact address for them when the Curse was coming because it’s not like she knows addresses in NYC off the top of her head, so not even she would know exactly where to find them, and even if she did, Neal would only know if Regina had told him.
