Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Found a post from Feb 28 about the filming of that scene. According to Matt’s Filming Schedule List, that would have been at the end of the shoot for 319.
[adrotate group="5"]Ah OK. Well the rest of my comment still stands, that if someone other than Zelena cast the Curse, Hook’s the only one acting shady enough to really be a candidate.
which could explain the BTS pics we got of Rumple, Hook, Zelena together. I’ll even go one better I’d be willing to bet that Zelena may have had Hook cast her curse unknowingly.
I’d forgotten about that scene. Anyone remember what ep that was for? In one of Josh’s interviews from WonderCon, he said we find out who cast the Curse in 319. The fact that it’s even gonna be a thing to reveal who cast the Curse makes me think it has to be someone other than Zelena, because everyone’s just assuming that she did it. Hook is the only one acting suspicious enough to be a candidate IMO.
All those things that were pointing towards Neal NOT dying, and in fact reconciling with Emma instead, is one of the big things that keeps me from believing that he’s really gone for good. WE the viewers may have had a gap between 3A and 3B, but the writers did not. I admit to not being an expert on the process of writing a TV show, but I do know that they wouldn’t just be working exclusively on one ep at a time. They’d have an over all story arc planned out, and there would be multiple scripts in various stages of development all at the same time. So they would have been working on the end of 3A and the start of 3B at the same time. So it makes no sense that they would be such a drastic change of direction out of the blue. Even if they decided to kill him when they were already writing the season, and it hadn’t been a part of the original plan for the over all season, they’d still have been working on 310, 311, 312, 313, 314 to varying degrees, when they knew what would be happening in 315. So they could have tweaked stuff in the earlier eps, because it wouldn’t have all been set in stone yet.
But they kept all that stuff in. The stuff about Rumple saying Neal could have a happy ending. The stuff about Neal saying he’d see them both again. When that script was being finalised, they’d have already known where they were heading by 315. It just doesn’t compute that they’d have those things included, if Neal’s chance at happiness was gonna turn to crap with no hope of him getting some happiness in life.
And so I shall continue to sit in the corner and randomly yell SHENANIGANS until the season finale proves things either way.
Well also, Hook knew Zelena’s name but up until that point, he didn’t know what she looked like. He’d never met her in present day SB. Sure, it’s the Witch because she just POOFed in front of you, but she instantly recognized her.
Hm.
I’m not sure if I want to attach myself to this headcanon yet because would A and E really do that to their man crush?
Good point about him recognising her.
I’ve had this theory stuck in my brain for half the day now, and the more I ponder it, the more sense it makes. It’d even be a callback to Neal saying he hoped he wouldn’t have to curse everyone to get back to Emma. Nope, he didn’t, but just maybe Hook did. And it could be interesting, considering he spent his life hating Rumple, if he ended up essentially doing the same thing as him, casting a Curse to get to the Land Without Magic to return to a loved one. I’ve mentioned previously how the thing with Blackbeard hearkens back to him having kicked Bae off the ship. Well, in that ep, Bae told Hook he was just like Rumple. It could even lead believably into Hook making a self sacrifice, similar to how Rumple did, to make up for having cast the Curse. Thematically speaking, it could all fit together quite nicely when all is said and done if they went this route.
As for whether they’d have their man crush do such a thing, well, they’ve been writing him as being selfish and secretive in recent eps, so despite all the “hero” talk, they’ve been far from writing him as being someone who is beyond doing suspect things.
But does a ship have a heart to sacrifice? Adam has recently said that someone’s heart was sacrificed just like Regina’s curse. Hook’s also not magical, and we’ve only seen magical people cast the curse. I also still don’t think Hook actually worked with Zelena, especially when their scene in 317 seemed to discredit that theory even more. Plus, Zelena still has her memories too. I just don’t see Hook casting a curse just to get to Emma, pinning or not.
The JR wasn’t any old ship, it was made of enchanted wood, so if any inanimate object could qualify to be an object that could be sacrificed for a curse, I’d say the JR could be it. They’ve established that Hook truly loved the JR, even valuing it over the lives of people. The JR is now missing, and Hook is hiding something major, and wouldn’t even tell Smee where the ship had gone. They’ve established Zelena as being willing to use Hook as a pawn. And I say again, if Zelena had cast this current curse herself, then why would she even need to go back to do it all again? The only other person around right now who still has their memories, and is keeping secrets, is Hook. And yes, I do think he’d have done anything to get back to Emma.
So all things considered, I think the theory makes a lot of sense.
Was posting about the Hook casting the Curse theory in another thread and another bit of potential evidence dawned on me. If Zelena had cast the current Curse, why does she even need a do-over, because she got to do the thing she wanted to do already.
That quote from that K&H interview from several pages back is SO COMPLETELY EFFING ABSURD, they’re lucky they didn’t say it to me because I’d have torn them new ones.
My dream is to see this one day
*searching flights for ComicCon* 😛
On the one hand, this new history reveal adds weight to the scene where Eva tripped Cora, which is nice.
On the other hand, it makes it annoying that Leo didn’t appear to know Cora when he became engaged to Regina. Of course, we can assume that Cora cursed him to forget, or even that she told him he was gonna propose to her daughter whether he liked it or not or she’d kill Snow or something like that, but unless and until we’re shown that, it’ll feel like a plot hole.
Am really looking forward to the Snow/Regina stuff, and to Regina sincerely apologising to Belle! That stuff sounds seriously great, and makes me wish that Jane could be in charge of writing ALL the eps.
Dunno how I feel about OQ kissing so soon, and when she’s without her heart. Will have to watch that play out a bit to see if I can buy it 100% or not.
Dallas adds, “We also find out who cast the curse, don’t we?” “Yeah we do, don’t we, Josh?” Kitsis confirms. “That’s a pretty big reveal!”
Calling it: Zelena uses Dorothy’s heart.
I can’t take credit for this one, but I’m on board with the theory that Hook sacrificed the JR to cast the Curse. If Zelena already cast this current Curse, then why does she even need to go back for a do-over, because she already got to do the thing she wanted to do.
I think Zelena may want the Snowflake so she’ll have someone to love unconditionally, so she’ll have someone to sacrifice in order to be able to cast the Curse in her do-over timeline.
Just got two comments…
That quote from that K&H interview from several pages back is SO COMPLETELY EFFING ABSURD, they’re lucky they didn’t say it to me because I’d have torn them new ones.
Secondly, Artseediva, I don’t think that theory is completely crack. As far as we’ve seen, Zelena loved no one, and they’ve said in an interview that the same curse casting rules apply, to sacrifice the thing you love most. I dunno that she had any love left for her father, she seemed pretty full of contempt when she spoke about him to Rumple. Dunno if she could use a Monkey heart because they’re like trained circus animals who have no choice but to be loyal, different to how Felix chose to be loyal to Pan. It doesn’t seem like she’s ever had a romantic TL based on what we’ve seen. She loves Rumple in a messed up way, but he’s still alive, so he wasn’t sacrificed. (Ooooohhh *lightbulb* I wonder if that’s why she wants the baby, so there’s someone she can love unconditionally which means she’ll have someone to sacrifice in order to be able to cast the Curse when she gets her do-over.)
But they’ve shown us that Hook loves his ship more than anything, apart from Emma. He values that ship over the lives of others. His love for it is unconditional. And now it’s missing, and he won’t say why, and everyone’s cursed again and that got him back to Emma. It does seem suspicious, and if DOES end up being the case, boyfriend will have a hefty price to pay for using that magic.
