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Seriously. This is the poem of SF. It was beautiful, and then ended up ridiculous. Ridiculous! *WHAT HAPPENED?!* Do you accidentally end a poem that way? Of course you don’t! Surely, these writers can see that this is what they have done to their poetic story of the savior of the curse, falling for the reason of the curse, beginning on the road to forgiveness… turning to the reason meeting his demise and her turning to the pirate who destroyed his family? Surely, surely they do not intend for this to be the story the show is telling. I just… they can’t. They can’t intend that.
OMG that poem was an excellent example of what happened to the show!
Roomies and I were talking yesterday, and one of them pointed out how odd it is to kill the namesake character as they embark on this story about balefire. She has an excellent point. Why kill Baelfire right before you introduce balefire, if it was an important enough concept to name a character after it? One thing that is notable to me, about this balefire/Baelfire business, is that when they wrote Neal’s POS death – they made it happen *in the past.* They retroactively killed him; although he died on Emma’s lap, he had really died a year prior. In essence, they balefired Baelfire. That is… not accidental.
Yeah that’s been playing on my mind as well. I mean, I know that even if they used WoT for inspiration, they won’t label what happens on the show as being “baelfire”, but if in their own minds, that’s where the idea came from, then it really doesn’t make sense that they’d show a story about baelfire which allows for the undoing of events, and not use it as a means to undo something bad that happened to their Baelfire. It just doesn’t compute. What DOES compute is that they would use the concept of baelfire in a storyline that BOOSTS their Baelfire towards something positive.
There is also the interesting point that in 312, the dreamcatcher in the apartment had a broken portion. The weave was broken, then; understanding the WoT balefire/dreamcatcher bit makes the oddness of the broken dreamcatcher make sense in the sense that it is a tie-in. I don’t know what of it, yet, but it is there.
The broken dreamcatcher being foreshadowing for the broken pattern and the descent into hopelessness that has rapidly occurred would be a very nice touch, if it was indeed intentional.
Once you eliminate the improbable, whatever remains, no matter how unlikely, may be the truth. I would like to posture that it’s improbable A&E just forgot their own story overnight. It is not impossible – perhaps they did, and of course there is the significant possibility ABC has trashed the whole thing – but I am coming around to the idea that it is far more likely they are just taking a way roundabout way to tell their own story.
The destination is still the same as it always was, they’re just taking a detour through a very dark and dangerous forest. Question is, even if they do come out the other side, will they have lost a lot of people on the detour that they’ll never get back, regardless of the eventual outcome?
*closes eyes and wishes really hard*
EDIT: Aww…. I’m on page 1112… no wish for me.
When I submitted one of my posts back on page 1111, I happened to look at the time, and it was 1:11. You’d better believe I made a wish. LOL
If only he knew that Regina had put a protection spell on Snowing’s apartment. He coulda told them everything while he was there with them, no worries.
She’s a loose canon with a crapload of power who looks delighted at the thought of feeding Henry to a Flying Monkey. Yeah I’d say she’s pretty scary. (The WW always used to legit scare me when I watched Wizard of Oz as a kid.)
Like others I had indeed noticed when those stills were released that BB looked a lot like the traditional Hook we know. So maybe this duel was supposed to depict the inner “duel” Hook’s having with himself, with BB representing the old, jaded, revenge seeking, bad guy Hook (the pirate aspect of him). Like he’s LITERALLY fighting with himself. Be the good guy who helps a woman find her love again, or be the pirate who only looks out for himself.
Sounds like a spot on assessment IMO.
Long time reader, first time poster… I’m currently listening to the audiobook of Peter Pan and it mentions Hook being Blackbeard’s bo’sun. So perhaps they just used BB because he was already mentioned in the original story.
Yep, Blackbeard did get namechecked in Barrie’s book, so I’d say they were doing a nod to that by making this pirate Blackbeard.
One thing I noticed, speaking of Good Form.
Hook tells Emma and Regina “it’s not good form to spy on an intimate moment” (speaking about Eriel)
Then moments later….spying on Emma and co at Granny’s. Bad form indeed, Captain
Yeah, that was some pretty blatant bad form there. LOL
Oh you’re nuts, honey
I dunno, but I find myself reading this thread and over and over I say to myself, “Phee’s my girl!” (And I mean that in a totally non-creepy way, because I think it sounds soooo wrong typed like that. Rather – I feel like we are of the same mind about all of this!!)
LOL 😉 Gotta admit, I’m glad there are others out there who share my mindset on this hot mess.
It is a relief to have PapaLeo ruled out.
and Belle stumbles across what Zelena’s ultimate end game is.
Just want to give a shout-out to my girl Belle for being so dang smart
Not only does Belle get to be awesome again, but we get to know what Zelena’s endgame is. Double win.
(Yes, I know it’s insane. But Phee made it sound slightly less insane.)
What does this say about my level of sanity? BWAHAHAHAA 😉
So Hook would have to confess to murder, pirating, and lying in one breath. And thus far, his confessions are more of the Woobie!Hook nature and not “here’s what I’ve actually done” nature.
It worries me
It worries me too, BUT the flipside of eliminating people who could tell the truth about him means that in the end it will be up to HIMSELF to come clean, show some good form, and that would mean more for his development as opposed to having someone else tell his secrets. He’d really have to own all his misdeeds, which would actually make for a wonderful moment for him that would lead to some real redemption. And while we don’t have confidence in the writers right now to tell the story in the best way, we DO have confidence in their ability to make characters do instant 180s and do OOC stuff, so maybe there IS hope for a turnaround for Hook.
My best friend brought up a really good point: Emma doesn’t want to live in the past anymore, but somehow in the span of 40 mins she went from wanting to go back to NYC to deciding to stay? You can’t have a character go through that kind of emotional change and not show us WHY
That is an excellent observation which just makes her comment seem even more out of place. Things she was determined about mere hours earlier: Henry going back to NYC, and asking Hook what he wasn’t telling her about the missing year, and suddenly she just drops both of those things? Nope. I know her lie detector is iffy, but NOPE. She spent those few hours that afternoon honing her magic, tapping into it in a MAJOR way. If anything, her lie detector should be invincible right now. The more I think of it, the more I think she’s scamming him with her talk of not caring about the past. It validates him for having told her to not take Henry away, it makes him feel like he got away with not having to reveal his secrets. By Emma making him feel like they’re 100% fine and she just wants to move forward, possibly even WITH him, she could just be playing him to get closer so he WILL reveal things that she KNOWS he’s holding back.
Before Hook showed up at the door, Emma and Regina had been alone and talking. We’ve already seen them devise a plan to put on a fake front to try and trick someone into giving themselves up, and we even got a callback to that in this ep when Regina brought up their stakeout in the Bug. Then they showed them working together closer than ever before, and there was even a scene where Regina pointed out how Hook’s a lost cause when it comes to Emma.
Before Hook knocked on the door, Emma and Regina had been discussing how Emma would start playing up to Hook to hopefully get him to spill, because they need to know what he knows if it will potentially help defeat Zelena, and this is their new plan to get the info. Henceforth this shall be my headcanon to explain Emma acting so woefully OOC in that scene.
Bonus for some SF FEELS: Part of the reason she’s scamming Hook is because she’s pissed thinking that if he’d just told them everything up front, Neal might still be alive, so she’s using him to inspire and drive her conviction.
(I need to stop writing posts on my phone that are gonna end up being long and rambly. Hand cramp much.)
