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Don’t know if any of you have listened to the Operation Cobra Podcast before, but they’ve done one final ep because the host is quitting the show due to Quiet Minds. Even if you’ve never listened to this podcast before, this ep is worth a listen, because they totally get what we’ve been saying: http://www.operationcobrapodcast.com/2014/04/episode-188-final-episode.html
[adrotate group="5"]Looks like Keegen was on set for 322
It’s probably just the angle and it’s actually nothing, but now that I’ve seen it, I can’t unsee the image of a woman in that tree trunk, so I need to comment so that others can be bugged by it too. š (Bottom right corner, those two lines that sort of make an arrow pointing up. Right above the point in the arrow, looks like the profile of a woman with dark hair and a white dress, with one arm sort of stretched out behind her.)
In the interview with Richard Hatem, he said that one of their original ideas that got changed involved Jafar creating a tornado which swept up Will’s bottle and ended up landing him in Oz. Maybe they’d take that idea and twist it into Jafar’s bottle ending up in Oz instead.
As for Jasmine and Aladdin, I think one of Cyrus’ brothers was the Genie in their story, so I think that’s already happened, but Jafar would have been involved because he took their Genie from them. So if they wanted Jafar on the parent show, they could bring in Aladdin and Jasmine at the same time, because they’ve dealt with him before and have a score to settle.
One of the problems is that while her name is Nyx, they never established her (maybe) as THE Nyxāgoddess of night in Greek myth. So, for example, we had the Grendel in episode 3 āForget Me Knotā but he was NOT the Grendel of Beowulf legendāand we have no idea how he got that name or if he is even related in any way to the legend. Nyx, the Greek goddess, was the mother of Death (Thanatos). Thanatos himself was a more minor god in literature and cult worship, and was rather indiscriminate toward victims.
In some myths Nyx is the mother of the fates (The Morai) and in othersā¦sheās not. But even if in this version she is the mother of the Fates, the gods were still subject to them (complicatedā¦).
What Iām saying here..is that we simply have no idea who Nyx really is. She might be a goddess but strictly speaking the gods shouldnāt be able to over ride death/fate in that matter.
Fate is a thing that definitely exists in the Onceiverse, so it would fit that their Nyx is tied to the Fates. It’s the task of the Fates to decide how long each person’s life is, and exactly how and when they die. They wrote Nyx as having the power to dictate whether or not someone’s time was really up. So I’d be surprised if she wasn’t based on THE Nyx.
For me, it’s not so much the fact that there exists a being who can give back life that’s the issue really, it’s that SO many people surely die unfairly before their time should have been up, so where do you draw the line. Even if Nyx can break that rule, she’s still gotta have her own clearly defined rules, otherwise it’s a case of, “So why can’t she bring back the lives of everyone in that village that Regina slaughtered, because surely all those innocent people didn’t deserve for their time to be up.” That’s where the dead-isn’t-necessarily-dead thing gets frustrating for me, because it should apply to all, and if it doesn’t, then it’s just a glaring inconsistency and comes off as a plot device when they need one.
I donāt think using the Well of Wonders plot device as a loophole for reviving Neal or any other dead characters on the parent show is a good idea.
Whether or not it’s used to bring back Neal (or anyone else), I’ll be surprised if it isn’t used for something on the parent show. They established the FTL location of a Well of Wonders in 312. You don’t use that exact same prop just with the well part boarded up, unless it’s a thing you’re setting up for future reference, (considering it was seen at the start of the first ep of S3B, it would be a nice bookend for the season to show it again towards the end of the season finale). People wouldn’t necessarily have had to watch WL in order to get it, because I’m sure they’d still explain what it is on the parent show, but for those who did watch both, it would be a bonus fun connection between the different worlds/shows.
OK, I’ve watched WL now and SF FEELS all over the place!!
I know there’s been some speculation about Neal being dead while Bae lives. After seeing WL, I wanna propose a potential either/or option. They very definitely separated RQ from Ana, and if there’s anything the parent show has taught us, it’s that dual personalities are a thing. So I don’t think it’s totally unreasonable that Neal and/or Bae could die while Neal and/or Bae gets brought back.
I know it’s UBER dangerous to get one’s hopes up about such things, and it’s bizarre how the only reason I’m able to have even a shred of hope is because I’m so cynical right now, but I’m just sayin’.
RG, I just listened to the podcast, and just want to say thank you and *HUGS* and *COOKIES*. I don’t often leave comments on the posting of a podcast, but I did on this one to thank you for sticking up for us. <3
Never thought there would come a day that I’d be 100% on TeamRegina, but if she could take out Zelena ASAP, that would be wonderful.
FWIW, there appears to be a Well of Wonders in the EF as well. It’s where Philora were having their picnic, the design of the structure was EXACTLY the same, the only difference was the floor was boarded up. And now we know they’re all, including Emma, gonna be in FTL somehow, someway, in the finale. Both shows getting a resurrection via Well of Wonders in their finales? *grabby hands*
I was just thinking about this and Iām not sure how I feel about it, anyway. I canāt remember where I read it, but someone was saying that for Rumple to be redeemed, Neal had to die. Nealās death is the only way Rumple could truly be redeemed since he created the curse and did all these horrible things to get to Bae. So of course, the price for Rumpleās redemption was losing his son forever. I parahrased but Iām sure where-ever I read this idea from probably had some other points as to why they felt this way but I canāt remember.
But essentially they are saying that for Rumple to get redeemed he has to lose a part of his happy ending. I say a part because I firmly believe that Belle is part of his happy ending as well. But that seems strange to me. So you have to lose your happy ending to get redeemed? Then whats the point of getting redeemed if not to also get your happy ending? I donāt knowā¦ I donāt know if I buy it.
Here’s the thing with that. The Dark One curse being a part of their lives, that was Rumple’s doing, not Neal’s. Rumple was tricked into it, but that family’s association with the Dark One began with Rumple. The price for the Dark One curse and all the dark deeds committed by it was Rumple’s to pay, not Neal’s, and Rumple had accepted that and that was a powerful moment when he did. Rumple was taken away from the two people he loved in the world at the end of 311, and he accepted it because he knew that was his price. RUMPLE had to sacrifice, it was NOT Neal’s responsibility to have HIS life end due to the Dark One.
