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AX: Was there ever any possibility of Emma not getting her memory back?
HOROWITZ: One of Emma’s core themes was finding her parents, and she found them, and it would be a shame if everything we built for fifty-some episodes went away.
KITSIS: We didn’t want to have all that disappear.
SO, it’s a shame if they do that to Emma, but they totally did it for Bae. Okay. That’s EXACTLY what they did to him. A and E just pretty much said what we’ve been saying!
WORD! Infuriating to see them saying that huh.
Speaking of infuriating, at the very real risk of being infuriatingly optimistic, they’re shooting for the finale at the well with the magic water that returns lost stuff, including people. Granted it could be for any number of things, but I’m just over here yelling out SHENANIGANS about everything already, so can’t help myself.
[adrotate group="5"]It’s the SB well just real close-up.
Right you are. When I first looked at it I thought that was a cutout bit in the detailing, but looking again, it’s the bar across the well. DUH.
Is that location something we’ve seen before? It’s too big to be the SB well. It’s the right size for the Well of Wonders/where Philora were, but the design is wrong.
Grimm…Once again, it’s not all about Neal. It’s about the show. We would have preferred it if Neal stayed dead in 221. That was a beautiful ending for many of us. It’s really not just his death we are mourning. Really. It’s the character assassination and the complete about-face of the message of the show. Watching season 1-2 would not have been difficult had he stayed dead in 221. An honorable, meaningful death. But this senselessness and seemingly retconned-throw away all that we’ve established-episode just makes it difficult to even watch what has already happened. It’s not just about mourning Neal. We’ve done that before. It’s about this show that made us all feel alive, feel hope, feel wonder… the excitement is gone since they did away so poorly with stuff they’ve already established.
Perfectly said, CWL!!!
BTW-It’s great that some fans still have hope
It’s not so much that I have hope exactly, it’s more like my cynicism is so extreme that it’s gone full circle and I just can’t believe any part of the situation is believable in any way.
The good guys and good always wins….except when plot dictate.
It’s sad that it was Neal’s own son who believed so adamantly that the good guys always win.
Watching Neal die and then seeing Roland run into Robin’s arms just highlights what Neal is missing…
OUCH!
They lost credibility and the cast as well, about not coming diretly saying something about this, sorry not trying to send hate to actors, but to me this only shows that maybe something was really bad on ouat world, i even remenber of spoiler pics of 310, when they arrive to SB, all cast was joking and kidding, but one of the darwfs took a pic of mRJ sitting alone, smocking and drinking coffee, not laughing with the colleagues.
He was likely sitting away from everyone at that point because he WAS smoking, and it’s just good manners to move away from other people if you’re gonna smoke between takes. It was during the filming of 315, which wasn’t that long ago, that MRJ and JMo tweeted the pics of each other huddled by the heater. They are great friends. I may not know MRJ, but from what I DO know of him, I can’t imagine why anyone who worked with him wouldn’t fall in love with the guy.
But you know what—that real world argument should work for EVERYONE on the show then. It should mean that in the real world you wouldn’t trust a perfect creepy stranger to be your midwife. It means you wouldn’t forgive a woman who cursed your entire family after trying to kill you a thousand times over. It means that even if you are a snarky pirate and it’s “in character”, it doesn’t excuse that woeful attempt at an apology (don’t even get me started on that apology)–find me any domestic abuse victim who would have accepted THAT as an apology and the fact that the ONCEABC Twitter account made light of it–violence against women–ooooooh. Yeah. THAT’s real world, alright.
If we’re suddenly going to apply real world logic to this show then we’ve lost the essential core–myth, magic, fairy tales, hope, family, redemption, happy endings.
This is SO ACCURATE! I mean seriously, family or no family, the Charmings should NOT be associating AT ALL with Rumple or Regina if we’re playing by real world rules. And Hook would have been locked up for shooting someone and not allowed to run around town being chummy with everyone. So please, anyone using the argument that “sometimes in real life”, just, no, because while Emma and Henry, and also Neal to an extent, are products of our real world, their story is part of a fricking fairytale, and fairytales get the happy ending for the good guys.
PS. RG, I dunno if I’ll be able to listen live, but I’ll be sending you good vibes for the podcast tonight! *HUGS*
after all, someone’s gotta come home to Em(ma) & Henry. (Perhaps that may turn out to be a dropped storyline, but no one will convince me ever that it was not intentional.)
Exactly.
What wouldn’t make sense: Mirroring other parts of the classic Oz story by making SB residents represent the classic characters, but NOT have a Dorothy-esque character returning home to a Henry and an Em(ma).
What would make sense: Having someone in Henry and Em(ma)’s family torn away from them, and have that person eventually find their way home.
What wouldn’t make sense: Showing contempt for their original characters and the overall message of the show, all of which they’ve spent 2.5 seasons developing, which is a LOT of work on their part.
What would make sense: Confirming their heroine as part of a TL couple, then tear them apart and make it seem impossible for them to be together, but then have their heroine find a way to drag her TL out of the pit of hell he’s been banished to.
What wouldn’t make sense: The kings of #nospoilers releasing a spoiler about a definite death of one of their main characters way in advance.
What would make sense: The kings of #nospoilers knowing that spoilers get out there no matter what, so they release this one so that when Neal appears 100% dead everyone assumes that was it, meaning that the actual 100% death in the finale remains unspoiled because they totally trolled the fandom.
Don’t misunderstand, I am slowly forging towards acceptance & am not putting stake in any crack theories. I have plenty though, it would be 0% difficult for the writers to undo this if they so choose. I don’t think that’s where they are going, but I think there is enough weirdness that door is not slammed shut.
Excellent way to explain my current mindset, yes.
