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There was some speculation during the hiatus that they might do the Orpheus and Euryike story with how Belle would save Rumple. Of course, we didn’t end up getting that, but it’s not impossible that they could do something like that with Emma and Neal instead, I suppose.
I do think that there’s a chance Neal is trapped in that Vault. The usual rules of the Dark One are that when it regenerates, one person dies and the other inherits the curse, so that could translate to how one life had to be given up in place of Rumple being regenerated as the Dark One. I actually think that Neal being trapped in the Vault, taking Rumple’s place there, is more logical than Neal having had to actually die, considering we don’t really know that Rumple was dead himself.
If they did do the Orpheus and Euryike story with Emma and Neal, it’s possible that it also might be what happened with Aurora saving Philip. We could hear the story from Philora in exposition, and then actually see it played out with SF.
We do know that Philora will be seen again this season, and the story of how they saved Philip’s soul is still yet to be told.
[adrotate group="5"]For Neal just to die like that lessens the significance of Rumple’s sacrifice, because Rumple was trying to save his son. Rumple spent centuries looking for away to find his boy, to tell him he loved him, and that happiness is possible just not with him. Now Rumple is childless and his happy ending taken from him.
ALL of what slurpeez said, but just wanted to elaborate a bit on this point. The whole premise of the show is based on the upheaval Rumple caused in all these people’s lives so that he could get back to his son and they could have their happy ending. Eventually, by 311, Rumple had grown to a place where he was able to accept responsibility, and made the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of his son being able to have his happy ending. Rumple’s reward for that self realisation and sacrifice was that the son he wished the best for ended up dying. That sends the message that redemption isn’t really possible, that even making the ultimate sacrifice yourself isn’t enough to earn you, or your loved ones, a happy ending, and there is NO hope in that message. Everything Rumple did, for better and for worse, everything that EVERYONE went through because of his actions, in the end it’s for NOTHING because his son died. The whole story they’ve established, it got flushed down the drain as having been a completely pointless exercise.
Also, please mention the character assassination with the line about him finally knowing what it is to make a selfless sacrifice and how completely bogus it was, considering the fact that selfless sacrifice is Nealfire’s habit of a long lifetime.
I just heard from Daniel. He’s going to make sure I am there to talk about Neal’s death from a Neal fan and a SF perspective.
We’ll all be thinking of you and sending you strength to get through it!
But the fucking worst was the line about “I understand you have to sacrifice yourself for the ones you love” F…. that, sorry for the swearing, but SERIOUSLY?! Didn’t he do that when he LET HIMSELF TAKEN BY THE F… SHADOW TO SERVE THE DARLINGS?!
And that time he was willing to give up the only world he knew for the sake of saving his father’s soul. And that time he let go of Emma’s hand over a portal so Henry wouldn’t lose both his bio parents at the same time. Even if they do have a way to undo his death, I’ll never forgive them for allowing that line of dialogue, and I don’t intend to ever watch that scene again. Even if things end up happy and sunshiney for SF in the end, and I re-watch this ep for the nicer moments, I’ll be skipping that scene because that line just makes me irate.
I love that you have hope Phee…
It’s just that the more I thought of how to make sense of it, the more nonsensical things that occurred to me, and when the nonsensical list gets that long, I’ve just gotta wonder what’s really going on, so I’m just gonna wait and see if we get official word.
FWIW, MRJ’s still in the cast list in the next press release.
So was Ruby for pretty much the entire S2
They strung Meghan along though, didn’t officially cut her even when her screentime decreased. An actual character death is a whole different situation where someone is very definitely off the cast roster from a specific date. Granted, maybe he’ll be seen at the funeral, but the only person we’ve seen with an open casket before was Blue. And if as some suspect, he wanted out, I dunno that they’d have an open casket that required him to hang around for longer, they’d just have that thing closed so he could get outta there after shooting 315.
Could ABC tell the ENTIRE cast not to tweet? Would they listen? Ugh.
The thing is, is that say the cast all tweeted him heartfelt goodbyes, and then it turns out it was all just a bluff. The cast would have essentially gone out of their way to deceive the fandom, and THAT is some bad PR. If they tweet anything now that ISN’T a heartfelt goodbye, then everyone would be all, “Why aren’t they tweeting MRJ FFS?!” Which is why I’m suspicious of their silence.
He can’t give an exit interview if he hasn’t actually exited, but he can’t say anything else and ignore the fact that his character just died because that would be a spoiler that he’s not really dead. So basically, no one can say anything right now if he is indeed still on the show. So I’m still hanging in there unless and until someone says something official, but if the lack of any official word keeps up, I actually take it as a positive sign.
