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A thought I ended up landing on after a bit of a rambling post in another thread, regarding Rumple’s line about how she shouldn’t have brought him back. Maybe that was purely the Dark One talking, because when Zelena found Rumple, he HAD been undone, he was mortal, but he wasn’t any good to her that way, so she found a way to bring the Dark One back into Rumple’s body again.
[adrotate group="5"]I’m hoping it’s not a completely different curse, because it detracts from it being the only way Rumple could get to our world to find Bae. If there was a weaker curse, I think he would have used it.
I think it’s different in the sense that she’s basically piggy backing on the original Curse. What Zelena’s doing now wouldn’t be possible if Regina hadn’t cast the original Curse, (Zelena’s sent everyone back to SB, which wouldn’t have ever existed if not for the original Curse), so that was still something that was necessary to happen as part of Rumple’s plan and he didn’t have a way around it. Zelena’s just taking advantage of pre-existing circumstances and twisting things to suit her personal needs. SB is meant to be done and gone, it’s not really supposed to be brought back, but Zelena’s gonna find a way to do it.
And typing that last sentence makes me think of what they’ve shown on WL with Amara being saved when she wasn’t supposed to be, and how many of us are assuming she’ll die before the show ends to make things right. I wonder if the same could apply to SB, in that it wasn’t supposed to come back, so at some point, it’ll *poof* out of existence again. And now that I’m thinking of THAT, I’m wondering if the same could apply to the Dark One, and perhaps Rumple WAS undone and mortal after the stabbing, but she had a way to bring his powers back, (maybe that’s what he meant about she shouldn’t have brought him back, that was purely the Dark One talking, just using Rumple’s body as a vessel), and because that wasn’t supposed to happen, will his Dark One powers *poof* away again at some point.
Really looking forward to the stuff with Henry and Regina. It’ll be interesting to see her getting to know him in a totally new way. She may have been his mother for all of those years, but at least in recent times before Emma came, they hadn’t been really close, and now they’re gonna get the chance to know each other in a new way, which will be lovely to see.
Also really looking forward to all the bits and pieces of history being revealed as Regina and Zelena continue to interact. Sounds like seeing her old self reflected in Zelena will provide some good ongoing character development for Regina.
With that said, if it is Neal who dies I think it will SUCK if they kill him off before Henry gets his memories back.
Which is why, now knowing that Henry doesn’t yet have his memories back, I’m even more sure that it won’t be Neal who dies. I suspect Henry will be without his memories for quite a few eps, possibly right up to almost the end of the season, and I simply cannot imagine them killing his father off when Henry doesn’t remember him. And even if Henry gets his memories back sooner, like within the next couple of eps, are they gonna have him remember his father, only to kill him off very soon (like days, or even a couple of weeks, depending how time progresses in S3B) after? I just really don’t see them doing that because not only would it be beyond heartbreaking and straight up cruel for Henry, it would take all the stuff they’ve built up about Neal being determined to break the cycle of abandonment and flush it right down the drain. Not that him being killed would be him abandoning Henry by choice, but I’m just saying, the story they’ve been writing is about the hope that Neal and Henry won’t be like Bae and Rumple, and Rumple and Pan, so I don’t see how a natural progression of the story they’ve written thus far would be Neal dying and yet another male in the Stiltskin line being left fatherless.
I’ve been considering this for a while, but I have to wonder if ABC will make the move and flat out promote which episode the death happens in
I’m thinking it’ll be in the big 2 hour season finale, and they’ll promote it like, “There will be a BIRTH, and a DEATH!” 321 being Snow centric, my first thought was that the birth would be in 321, and the death in 322. But maybe, because of the way they’ll air the eps together, part of that decision was because there’ll just be one set of credits, and so even though a regular dies in 321, they’ll still technically get a credit on screen for the entire season. Also, a birth is a happier note to end a season on. Anyway, which ever order it happens in, I think we’re gonna have the birth and the death in the 2 hour finale for maximum dramatic promotion potential.
Different IMO. What Zelena’s done isn’t as drastic as what Regina did, she’s just sending them back to where they’d been before with a far less severe case of memory loss, so I’m doubtful that the same heart sacrifice was necessary to enact the reboot.
In fact I think it may have required the blood of the person Zelena hates most–Regina (hence the blood in the bottle)
Definitely a possibility, though I’m also wondering if maybe Regina’s blood was needed to reboot the Curse simply because she’s the one that cast it in the first place. Either way, I think that that bottle of blood potion is essentially taking the place of the bottle of true love potion from the original Curse, which will essentially put Regina in the position Emma was in with the first Curse, as being the one capable of breaking it, (which I think will happen when she kisses Henry after he gets his memories back).
Something ELSE is going on here, whatever it is. That doesn’t mean Neal is safe or in danger–it just means we’re lacking a lot of information to even assume that a heart was needed to reboot (?) SB back to existence or whatever it was that happened.
Yep, I’m not convinced this new Curse is the kinda thing that required a heart sacrifice, because it has a different purpose, not to create something new, but rather to go back to what was. The reboot isn’t as hardcore as what Regina did when she created the place from scratch, so I don’t think the effort of re-casting it will necessarily be as hardcore either.
Come to think of it — how come Emma didn’t try kissing her kid’s forehead again to see if the curse would break? Seems a logical way to try and get everyone’s memories back since it worked the first time…and it takes 3 seconds.
Neither one of them are subject to the conditions of this new Curse, so I don’t think it would matter. I think part of the reason that it worked for the original Curse was that Henry, though he wasn’t cursed like everyone else was, he was still affected by the Curse, having lived under it all his life. So the kiss was someone from within the Curse (Henry) and someone from without (Emma) creating that magical connection. In this new instance, Emma and Henry are separate entities to what’s going on with the Curse. I think if a kiss is gonna break this one, it’s gonna be Regina kissing Henry. She came close to drawing him in for a forehead kiss in 313 but stopped herself. I think that forehead kiss will happen again, after Henry believes (we know he’s getting the book back, and it was holding the book that helped bring back Emma’s memories when she was ready to believe, so I could see the same thing happening with Henry), and he’ll go to Regina all, “Mom!” and she’ll kiss him and *POOF* Curse is broken, everyone’s memories are back. I think it’s gotta be Regina involved this time, because I think that blood potion is taking the place of the true love potion from the original Curse, putting Regina in the place of the person being able to break it, instead of Emma.
No worries, GoldenKey. 🙂 They’re probably my fave podcast these days, they’re always fun and bantery and don’t take things too seriously. I’ll bet Bill would love to get a message from someone else who thinks Johanna is evil.
I didn’t say he didn’t know anything about Oz. Clearly he does–but I’m suggesting it’s culturally not life experience. He knows ruby slippers exist as portal makers but that’s from the movie, not actually being in Oz and knowing Dorothy because we *know* they can’t use the ruby slippers. He knows that the Crystal Ball might help him because the WWW used it in the movie to see Dorothy and then show Dorothy Auntie Em but has no idea how to use it, try though he might.
Agreed. They even made a point of giving Neal lines about having watched movies (Mulan), then had him mention ruby slippers, but we know the actual slippers in the show aren’t gonna be ruby, he just got that idea from having watched the movie IMO, not first hand Oz experience. Even if he hadn’t seen the WW using the crystal ball in the movie, general crystal ball basics are a general thing that everyone knows – you look into them and they let you see stuff.
And what’s the price of bringing her back?
If Will’s involved at all in how she’s brought back, his price could be having to watch her die again. Same way I assume Amara’s sons will have to watch her die again as the price for having saved her back in the day when they shouldn’t have.
Well I have been wondering if 320 will be the Neal centric because one word location episode name. Kansas wouldn’t necessarily have to involve going to the location Kansas, just like Tallahassee didn’t involve the showing of actual Tallahassee. Tallahassee = home. Kansas = home. Ep called Kansas could be about Neal finally arriving home to Emma and Henry in present day and flashback to him looking for Emma (ie: his home). Perhaps?
