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This is awesome. 😆 Oh Grumpy, if only it would be that easy. Something tells me it’ll take more than a bucket of water to defeat this WW.
[adrotate group="5"]I’d keep my eye on her (OR ELSE SHE WILL CUT THEM OUT)
THAT WAS SO GROSS!!!
Dunno that Jabberwocky necessarily needs an agenda, I think she just gets off on being cruel and that’s reward enough. Though if Jafar tries to steal all the glory, when SHE is the one who got the genie bottle, I can see that putting her in the mood to put him in his place. Maybe he’ll get run through with the Vorpal Blade if he tries to use it on her.
Hopefully Regina’s already fallen for him without seeing it if it’s gonna be seen now.
Just realised Raphael instagramed a pic of Vancouver a couple days ago…
#vancouver #suttonPlace #viewToTheWater http://t.co/pChzayd3KZ
— Raphael Sbarge (@RaphaelSbarge) March 13, 2014
I’d have thought they might have started on 321 already, considering Adam tweeted the title for it. What date did they start shooting 320?
Don’t forget August knows where Neal lives too. We don’t know how the reversal of the curse affected him. If he ended up as a young boy in EF, he may have his memories back. Or the theory that it was August in the cab watching Emma & Walsh and the possibility of him knowing Walsh could come into play.
I’d give pretty much anything to make it like the de-ageing of August never happened because I pretty much straight up hated that they did it, but I’m not convinced any of this Curse reversing would have that effect. I’d expect that when they got returned to FTL, he remained as he’d been in SB when the Curse reversed, a boy without his adult memories. When they got sent back, I’d expect the same. The Curse may be able to switch people between human and non-human forms (like Archie) but it doesn’t change events that happened, and August’s de-ageing and memory loss is an event that happened.
There is always the possibility that Zelena herself could have been watching Emma from the cab outside the restaurant. She might be able to cross the town line because she more than likely cast this curse. It’s also possible that Zelena could be controlling Rumple and forced him to send the message to lure Emma into some sort of trap.
Zelena definitely could get information out of Rumple, but it just doesn’t compute for me that she’d send Walsh to keep Emma away from SB, and then send Hook to bring Emma back to SB. She’d have to have had a complete 180 change in motives, and Walsh would have had to be completely unaware of that change, and I’m thinking he’s remained in contact with Zelena somehow to let her know that their plan to keep Emma away was still on track, so he should have known if plans had changed so drastically.
I wish I could believe that Hook is really trying to help out his pal, Neal, by helping Emma to remember, but I have my doubts. Hook first tried jogging Emma’s memories by kissing her, and when that didn’t work, he still seemed hopeful she’d reciprocate his feelings. Hook seemed jealous of Emma’s feelings for Walsh, and now he seems jealous of Emma’s concern for Neal. I just don’t have much hope on the Hook-Neal front right now. I also remain unconvinced that Neal is the one who sent the message to Hook. I have a feeling it may be a trick, and that Zelena forced Rumple to send it. I know that sounds confusing, given Walsh’s determination to try and stop Emma from returning to SB, but maybe that is part of the WW’s plan. I’m not sure exactly what that entails, but we’ll soon find out.
If, as I suggested, Hook was knowingly working with Neal, who had sent him the message, he wouldn’t be doing it purely to reunite her with anyone in her family, (which includes Neal). Hook doesn’t do anything unless there’s something in it for himself, and if responding to Neal’s request for help would get him to see Emma again, to see her first, to get to kiss her first, to get some time with just the two of them together, of course he wouldn’t turn down that opportunity.
But the kiss didn’t work, and I know the fandom has argued the ins and outs of kisses working and not working, but Hook didn’t see the Snowing and Rumbelle failed kisses, as far as he’s aware, he tried the kiss, and he bombed out, end of discussion.
Then Emma said how she loved Walsh, and you could see it was like she twisted the knife in Hook’s chest. Yes he’s jealous, but I think that’s compounded by him now legit doubting that Emma feels the same way for him, because of the FAILkiss.
When she remembered, she didn’t gaze longingly at him, kiss him, and fall into his arms. They even had the footage of a hug they could have used, and did use in an earlier edit of the ep, but they took it out, which I think is very telling. With that hug in there, it could imply that Hook could still have hope of her feeling the same for him. Without the hug in there, that implication is removed, and instead it’s another instance where she doesn’t respond to him like he’d hope.
When they were alone in her apartment, she didn’t take the opportunity to be all over him, instead she just poured him a drink and wanted to chat.
She referred to her fake life as having been “a really good dream”, and Walsh was a part of that good dream.
And now in that Sneak Peek, she’s asking about Neal, which Hook no doubt accepted would happen at some point, and again, it’s like another little twist of the knife.
I can’t help but wonder if these things are being dropped like little anvils on Hook to get through to him that a romance with him is really not a priority for Emma, which will lead to him backing off, which will lead to a better relationship between him and Neal.
I can see him agreeing to work with Neal to get Emma back because he thought he was still in with a chance, but it won’t work out that way, and in the end, Hook will have gone to get her for the benefit of her family, which should have been his actual motivation in the first place, and he’ll learn a lesson from the whole experience.
Hopefully, there’s a loophole somewhere because it feels really unfair that after being separated all this time, that their reunion as a family would have to be cut short because Amara would have to die.
It’s incredibly sad, no doubt about that, but the fact is that Amara wasn’t supposed to be saved in the first place. “My water can heal only those whose destinies have yet to be written. Your mother’s fate has already been sealed. She will die.” Amara’s fate was supposed to be to die that day, and her fate got postponed, but you can’t avoid fate for forever. It’s like how the Seer said that Rumple’s actions would leave his son fatherless, and it took a while, and a more convoluted route than Rumple had assumed, but it DID happen eventually.
Amara dying now would be restoring the order and balance, which should never have been disrupted in the first place, all those years ago when her sons saved her.
Curious about the gazebos matching. Even the feet of the pillars look the same…
The only thing different is the pattern of the floor boards. Just went to check, and the one in WL has the same pattern as the one in Agrabah, but the one in FTL is just straight floorboards. Which I guess would make sense if they decided to board that thing up, though if it were me, I’d still be leery of having a picnic on top of it, expecting Nyx to bust up through the floor at any moment. The similarities in the designs can’t be denied though, so I’ll be more surprised if Philora’s gazebo ISN’T a boarded up Well Of Wonders.OK, I’m all caught up on the thread now.
Here’s something I just posted in another thread, but gonna cut and paste here because there was some CaptainFire discussion several pages back…
Having pondered this for a few days now, my main suspect for who sent Hook the message is Neal.
Whoever Hook’s been in contact with has to know Neal’s address, (I know Hook’s been there before, but to be able to write out the full address properly, I think someone with knowledge of addresses in our world had to write it, that thing had a zip code on it and everything, and how would Hook even know that a zip code is a thing in order to include it in an address), and had to know that there would be something inside Neal’s apartment that would help convince Emma to believe. The only two people who would be able to know that information are Neal and Rumple, because no one else has been inside Neal’s apartment, (not even Hook himself).
There’s another thread about the theory that someone is watching Emma from a cab as she comes out of the resturant, and there’s also a cab that drives past when MonkeyWalsh is flying up the side of the building too. That person in the cab (if it’s anyone and we’re not just completely over analysing the importance of the cab) could be Neal. It’s more believable to me that Hook’s been able to camp out in NYC for a couple of days if he’s got Neal with him. How did Hook even know there was a zoo in Central Park, or any specific, noteable location to tell her to meet him at, if he didn’t have information from someone who knows the city, because he knows nothing about the city himself.
Hook’s reply to Emma question of, “Why didn’t you tell me it was Neal’s apartment,” would be fitting if he and Neal had had a recent conversation about why Neal couldn’t go himself. I know it’s been implied previously that Hook is aware of at least some details of Neal and Emma’s past, but the scene in the Diner Hook was all, “Sure, give it a go,” but in NYC he was all, “Well DUH you wouldn’t want anything to do with him,” which is a shift in tone, like if he and Neal had actually discussed specifics of why Neal himself couldn’t go to her with her current state of memories.
Neal knows a bit about magic, so it’s believable that he could have learned a bit more, enough to make a memory potion, and that could have been a team effort between them. If Neal could get his hands on that crystal ball in Rumple’s castle again, he’d be able to see Emma and recognise that she’s in NYC, in order to know where Hook had to go to find her.
JMo’s been saying in interviews how Hook and Neal have this relationship and stuff, and it’s sorta rung false IMO because we haven’t seen them as being close at all in present day thus far. But if she was saying that with the knowledge that they’ve been working together, then her comments would make more sense.
In the second Sneak Peek for 313, Hook comments that Neal will turn up, which I think lends credence to the theory that he’s been in contact with him, and therefore knows that he’s alive somewhere.
Having pondered this for a few days now, my main suspect for who sent Hook the message is Neal.
Whoever Hook’s been in contact with has to know Neal’s address, (I know Hook’s been there before, but to be able to write out the full address properly, I think someone with knowledge of addresses in our world had to write it, that thing had a zip code on it and everything, and how would Hook even know that a zip code is a thing in order to include it in an address), and had to know that there would be something inside Neal’s apartment that would help convince Emma to believe. The only two people who would be able to know that information are Neal and Rumple, because no one else has been inside Neal’s apartment, (not even Hook himself).
There’s another thread about the theory that someone is watching Emma from a cab as she comes out of the resturant, and there’s also a cab that drives past when MonkeyWalsh is flying up the side of the building too. That person in the cab (if it’s anyone and we’re not just completely over analysing the importance of the cab) could be Neal. It’s more believable to me that Hook’s been able to camp out in NYC for a couple of days if he’s got Neal with him. How did Hook even know there was a zoo in Central Park, or any specific, noteable location to tell her to meet him at, if he didn’t have information from someone who knows the city, because he knows nothing about the city himself.
Hook’s reply to Emma question of, “Why didn’t you tell me it was Neal’s apartment,” would be fitting if he and Neal had had a recent conversation about why Neal couldn’t go himself. I know it’s been implied previously that Hook is aware of at least some details of Neal and Emma’s past, but the scene in the Diner Hook was all, “Sure, give it a go,” but in NYC he was all, “Well DUH you wouldn’t want anything to do with him,” which is a shift in tone, like if he and Neal had actually discussed specifics of why Neal himself couldn’t go to her with her current state of memories.
Neal knows a bit about magic, so it’s believable that he could have learned a bit more, enough to make a memory potion, and that could have been a team effort between them. If Neal could get his hands on that crystal ball in Rumple’s castle again, he’d be able to see Emma and recognise that she’s in NYC, in order to know where Hook had to go to find her.
JMo’s been saying in interviews how Hook and Neal have this relationship and stuff, and it’s sorta rung false IMO because we haven’t seen them as being close at all in present day thus far. But if she was saying that with the knowledge that they’ve been working together, then her comments would make more sense.
In the second Sneak Peek for 313, Hook comments that Neal will turn up, which I think lends credence to the theory that he’s been in contact with him, and therefore knows that he’s alive somewhere.
