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Thanks for that link, KFC. Sorta eerie how similar the wording is, just like with the gifset about Ella/Thomas as well. I was reading the comments on that tumblr post, and Schmacky’s took the words right outta my mouth…
You know I don’t remember Eric getting all kinds of **** for either pressuring Ariel or giving up on her.
Interesting that Neal gets that crap though.
Considering both men did the same thing.. tell the woman they love they’re interested and want to be with them but will understand if they choose not to.
[sarcasm] Gawd! What horrible men [/sarcasm]
People did comment that the Ariel/Eric thing escalated quickly, but no one called Eric a creeper, but Neal behaves in exactly the same way and people find a way to twist it into a negative. *sigh*
I still feel that the writers would want to parallel any real SF reunion with Manhattan so I don’t expect much to happen until then. At the same time, I really wonder if they’d leave the whole triangle thing open quite that way over the break? I guess they would, they want to make sure people have incentive to watch after the break and get invested in another story (like Regina /Robin maybe?) before ending anything against fan expectations in this triangle.
It’s probably smarter for them to leave the triangle unresolved over the hiatus. If you completely dash the hopes of a chunk of your fanbase in the mid-season finale, then the premiere for the second half might not rate as well. And assuming the majority of casual viewers would rather see SF, I’d be surprised if we got a big, romantic CS moment to go out on. And the CS fanbase isn’t insignificant in size and passion, so I’d be surprised if we got a big, romantic SF moment to go out on. It just wouldn’t be good business sense.
I’m sort of dying to get the title for 314 so we can over analyse it from a shippy perspective. 😛 I’m not sure how they could do an ep titled New York City Serenade and not have it involve Neal somehow though.
[adrotate group="5"]This is one of my new favorite things:
That post is perfection! 😀
What if it is another body switch, and the one saying “won’t I ever be free” is Rumple stuck in Pan’s body?
I did wonder about that, because his tone seems a bit strange. But I think Malcolm might be more likely to use the term, “be free of you,” than Rumple would, because Malcolm is the one who wanted freedom from Rumple in the first place. Also, we see Rumple get thrown across the room, and we know that later he’s stabbing Pan. So if Rumple has murderous intent in that scene in the street, and that is definitely Rumple in his own body then, because we’ve seen that Pan’s body will change into Malcolm’s, then why would he just toss Pan across the room and leave him still breathing, if that was RumpleInPan’sBody back in the scene in the shop? Being tossed across the room could be motivation for the murderous intent in the street.
The only thing is the hints that Rumple cannot kill Pan without dying himself. I think we will get an explanation that the DO curse originated with the shadow in NL when it bound itself to Pan. So to kill Pan somehow destroys the DO too.
Good point about the stuff where both apparently have to die if one of them does. Having the origin of the DO explained would be awesome.
Has there been any info on which ep they’re shooting? I’d guess 12 or 13, because they tend to announce the big guest stars around the time when they’re actually shooting, and the announcement of Barbara being around for 11 came out a couple of weeks ago now, didn’t it?
I kinda want them to be shooting the finale, because I’d love for WL characters to end up in SB, but the one I really want to end up in SB is Will, so hi Cylice, but where’s your friend please?
They’ll also have the joy of seeing their son, Henry, gets his happy ending when he sees his parents not only still love each other but chose to be together for their own sakes. That is a phrase that Snow White keeps repeating to her daughter, that Emma owed it to herself, not to Henry or to Neal, to see if Neal were still alive and then again if meeting Neal again for lunch could be the start of her own happy ending.
Yes, I like that they’re driving that point home by having Snow repeat it. Of course, some people are just seeing her as annoyingly pushing them together for motives other than that, but whatever, if people don’t wanna pay attention to the actual dialogue in the show, then whatever.
Snow recognizes in her daughter the same fear that she herself used to have, that all the bad things would forever get in the way of good things. Yet, just as Snow had to realize that it’s worth it to hold onto the good moments, so will Emma have to come to that realization on her own. And when she does, that is when Emma will be ready to have hope for her own happy ending.
This is why I ended up actually enjoying the Snowing flashbacks more than I was anticipating, because they really did show a parallel to what Emma was going through with Neal in present day, and how her parents’ past experience was informing how they reacted with her in present day. And in the end, Charming did get through to her, if only temporarily, before the crap hit the fan again and by the end of the ep, Emma was back to thinking, “My life isn’t meant to have the happy moments.” I guess she sorta ended that ep in a Hook-ish mindset in the sense that she wasn’t focused on looking at the bright side and the possibility. But given that the ep showed Snow overcoming her fears and deciding to have a family, that’s setup for what the correct mindset should (and will eventually) be for Emma as well.
The self destructive trajectory they took Hook on in this ep was the opposite of the flashback’s journey of eventual self realisation and resolution. The trajectory they took Emma on in this ep was to try and talk herself out of the self realisation and resolution, before having a moment where she was gonna go for it, then having her regress. But the seed was planted in her mind. She did make a baby step forward, before taking two massive steps back.
And that’s how you write it if you’re drawing out the reunion of a destined couple and trying to keep them apart for as long as possible to cause maximum angst for them (and the audience) to overcome. Because now the audience knows that Emma did actually decide to go meet Neal, but Neal thinks she stood him up, and so he’s gonna have to try and accept that decision that he thinks she made, and Emma’s running scared again, so they won’t have a conversation about what actually happened, and we’ll be there screaming, “OMG JUST TELL HIM YOU WERE GONNA MEET HIM, THAT YOU WERE RIGHT OUTSIDE!” The way they’re building this storyline right now, it seems to me that they’re still heading in the direction of (eventual) SF.
Now I really want to see Disney’s “Frozen”!
Another lovely GIF set!
That moment when you realize how much “Price of Gold” was setting up Swanfire.
BOOM! WOW, that’s sorta blatant, isn’t it? 😆 PS. the pair of gifs with both Henry and Neal popping up in the back of the Bug is the most adorable thing ever.
Oh that’s interesting. But I’m not sure if Rumple flat out hates PP. I think PP hurt him a great deal and the events of 308 show just how screwed up Rumple is, but I don’t think Rumple hates him. I think he’s hurt and broken. But could he really hate his father? I don’t know…
In the promo, Pan’s saying something like, “Won’t I ever be free of you?” before he flings Rumple across the room. There’s no denying that Rumple feels incredibly hurt by his father, but I think that might be the final straw that could cause him to write him off completely and just hate him.
1. That Pan will take Felix’s heart thinking it will unleash the curse but it doesn’t
Agreed.
2. So he figures it’s his own heart and stages a confrontation with everyone on the pretense of still being after Henry knowing that everyone and Rumple will want to protect Henry & stop him. Rumple wanting to protect Henry stabs Pan with the Dark One Dagger, in doing that Pan becomes Malcom again and Rumple once again stabs him with the Dark One Dagger
I dunno if Pan might change his gameplan if he figures out that the thing he loves most, which has to be sacrificed, is his own heart. Doesn’t do him much good to have the Curse enacted if he’s gonna be dead, so he might need to come up with another plan, perhaps becoming the new Dark One. But that would involve Pan stabbing Rumple, and we only got pics of it happening the other way around.
I think by Rumple using the Dark One Dagger to kill Pan it enacts the curse and strips him of the Dark One Curse but it doesn’t kill him.
I wondered a few days ago if maybe the ReverseCurse actually requires the heart of the thing you hate most. If so, then Rumple killing Pan could do the trick to set it off. I do think that the killing of Pan will somehow strip Rumple of the Dark One, but I’m not sure how. I also wondered a few days ago if maybe Pan could become the Dark One, which is what prompts Rumple stabbing him, to take the power back, but they’d have to create some loophole where Pan becoming the DO didn’t kill Rumple in the process, if he’s still alive enough to stab him back in the middle of the street, and I dunno if that’s likely.
I do think that confrontation could potentially leave Rumple in bad shape. I’d like to see Belle’s tears save his life in traditional B&tB fashion, but maybe it’ll only save him just enough that he’ll be alive, but just barely. Then maybe whatever they’re doing in NYC and the potion will tie into how they help him.
I’m beginning to really think that the SB scenes this half of the season could possibly be flashbacks to post curse days in SB after Emmma broke it.
Doubtful if the new Big Bad is gonna be in the SB scenes, and we know she will be. They can’t just slot that stuff in as flashbacks and be all, “Oh BTW, this was totally going on since the Curse broke.”
I’m not convinced that the NewCurse will be enacted fully. Whatever Regina’s doing with her arms in the air and the purple lightening will have an effect. Whether it completely diffuses it so it has no effect at all, or it stops it half way and it splits them in two in separate personalities/worlds, I dunno. I’m still inclined to think that the FTL stuff in 312 is just gonna be an AU thing.
For all the spoilers we have, I’m still considerably confused right now, and it’s infuriating, but I love it.
That’s true but they have a tendency as of late to sweep a lot of these things under the rug. She never brought up that less than a week ago, Hook was working with the people who kidnapped her son. Never mind all the other things. If Emma is a in crisis mode because of Panry then she just might let it slide and A and E can say “she was dealing with a lot of other things.”
*sigh* I know. Perhaps I’m foolish for thinking they won’t let this slide as well. With the stuff about Hook having worked with GOAT, I can fanwank that she didn’t have the luxury of considering that, because she needed Hook to help save Henry. And I know the next crisis is upon them now, so maybe they’ll brush over it as well. It’ll seriously annoy me if they do though, because we’re talking about a personal, romantic relationship she could be considering getting herself involved in here.
Also starting a prayer circle for Emma-less CaptainFire interaction in 311. Maybe if the Shadow is zooming around in the church, we could even get Hook doing something to protect Neal? Maybe?
A TL kiss breaking a curse would certainly put the triangle to rest. Though I think the process of them finding each other and falling in love under cursed conditions would have to be spread out to cover the whole second half of the season. And I think I’d rather see them deal with all their crap with full knowledge of it, because if they fall in love again while they’re unaware of their issues, then as soon as the curse breaks and they remember, the issues are still gonna be there, and their relationship wouldn’t have really progressed.
If this has been, posted sorry! But I think it should be here.
Our very own Lunatiger made a great response to the Hook/Tink situation in 310. I’ll link it and you can read it yourself.
Tellin’ it like it is, right from the first sentence. I’m really a bit baffled if people can justify his actions in this ep and spin it into something positive for CS.
I saw another TinkerHook (or should that be HookerBell, thanks to Colin’s tweet LOL) gifset around tumblr somewhere that had the dialogue on it, and after looking at it for a few moments, it hit me. “We both know you want more than a drink. You want me to help take your mind off Emma.” She’s totally speaking from experience, only last time, it was taking his mind off Milah. So I’m not sure if there’s still relationship potential between these two in the future or not. She certainly knows his romantic history, and his vices, and she’s not gonna take his crap, so whatever does or doesn’t happen, I just hope we get to see more of them interacting.
